Fury extreme Blades and Paddles

[megotroulette]

hey guys,

i am just wanting to set up my fury a little better than it was. Its a little slow on cyclic and pitch.. i run 690 vblades 10 1/2 degrees pitch, std white Ma paddles.

i was wondering what pitch and what cyclic pitch you guys are using?..
i am gonna try some v paddles and 710 Vblades.. 690's to me were a little slow to react on pitch :arggg: .

also what head speed are you guys running ?

Cheers,
matt

[tnreefguy]

i am running 690s with the white 3d paddles and have no problem. what is your headspeed? how much cyclic pitch do you have?

[WayneBrown]

I'm running a YS 80 and 690's on my stratus, it was earlier in a Fury and had no problems with not enough response, if anything I recently had the opposite... too responsive.
I am now running 1650 RPM and thats about right, prior I was running 1780 which was too much for my reflexes on the stratus...
BTW: 690 V Blades, 90 mm V Paddles, and 105 mm V tail blades. +/- 10* Pitch, 7* cyclic pitch.
What brand of Mains are you running now? Engine?

[megotroulette]

ok..

i am running. 91 Cspec std mp2 Gv-1 is set at around 1900rpm, v blade 690's std white MA paddles, bout 7degrees cyclic and 10 1/2 pitch both ways

yeah shes just a little too slow on responses, flybar is the 90 sized one i check that, its not over weight(like i am a bit :mrgreen: )

am i running too high of a headspeed?
Cheers,

[DavidH]

yeah shes just a little too slow on responses, flybar is the 90 sized one i check that, its not over weight(like i am a bit Mr. Green )

What is the length of the flybar?
480mm or 525mm

I believe most of the 3D pilots are using the 480 mm flybar.

bout 7degrees cyclic

How close are you to that 7 degs cyclic.
Need to measure it and make sure how much cyclic throw will have.

Also are you sure your turning 1900 on the rotorhead. Just because the GV1 is set to 1900 does not mean the motor will turn it 1900 rpm. Either need to check it with a sky tach or look at the max rpm reading screen on the GV1.

Is this an 8.18 gear ratio?

David

[megotroulette]

hey david,

yes we tached it and it was humming nicely around 1910 1920 ish.

Flybar i am positive it is 525mm, yes 8.18 gear ratio and i am around probably 7.2 or 7.4 around that mark for cyclic. i will be doing a complete heli setup from scratch again to make sure its done right.. no corners cut..

is the 480mm flybar the 60 series or 50 series?

Cheers,

[Supersaying4]

Go to 480 on the flybar. I think the white paddles flex a little bit while in flight. 1900 is high rpm. I run around 1800 right now. But im going to change that to 1710 soon.

[megotroulette]

ok, i also put the new extreme flybar carrier kit on the head also... so this should help it also..

i started noticing it was flying like crap when i downloaded vids of other peoples furys flying etc.. and they were alot more snappier with cyclic and pitch just from watching the vid.. mine was just a bit slow..

i will give that smaller flybar try to.. thanks for all the input guys really appreciate it.. and i will have to change that headspeed and try around 1750 mark.

Cheers,

[DavidH]

i started noticing it was flying like crap when i downloaded vids of other peoples furys flying etc.. and they were alot more snappier with cyclic and pitch just from watching the vid.. mine was just a bit slow..

Most of what your seeing in the videos is pilots that have great collective and cyclic management skills. They could probably take your heli and fly it the same way.

As you get more experience you will learn how to manage the collective and cyclics together to give your heli the quick moves. It will come with lots of practice.

David

[ausheli]

just to fill you guys in a bit, Matty (megotroulette) is 1 of the nicest young guys on the heli scene here in Australia, he is sponsered by the Min Air distributers here in Australia and has progressed very quickly in the last 2 or so years, so much so that at 3D down under last year he was threatened with broken thumbs on more than a few occasions :twisted: and he has the smoothest and controlled mode 1 piroflips you have ever seen, keep up the good work matty. He listens to everything he is told and takes notice and learns, comments and help are not wasted on him

[EricLarson]

megotroulette,

For what it is worth.

180-185g 710mm blades seem to work the best for me. I am flying Radix as they fit my flying style the best right now and are very efficient which is important for how I like to fly. There are a lot of great blades out there. Less than 180g and you sacrifice stability in fast flight, more than 185 and it tends to load up the rotor system in aggressive maneuvers. It is personal preference. This is important though as blades make a big difference.

I am flying 20g Funtech or SAB carbon paddles. No weights.

Flybar seesaw in the middle hole. Flybar carrier in the outside of the 2 holes.

If you run the stock white paddles run the inside of the flybar carrier.

I have about .020 shim under my cyclic swash ball on the inside of my swashplate to give me about 8.5 degrees of cyclic deflection. I am running about 11 degrees of pitch. It really takes the full package to make the machine fly as good as it can. I worked nearly all of last year to get the Stratus to fly the way I really wanted it to.

Good luck and happy flying,

Head speed of 1850 - 1900 depending on several things. My current gear ratio is 8.18 on the OS .91 with a Hatori SB17 pipe.

I am running the stock 0566-1 flybar or the 0303. Not much difference. I ran the 0303 when we where breaking flybars as it helped some, but with the new carrier that problem has been eliminated. The stock flybar flies well.

The big factors on increasing your cyclic speed will be getting enough cyclic "blade" deflection 8+ degrees and having a strong motor. Running down in the 7 degree range will be slow. Also if your motor is not up to spec, no matter what you do the heli will not be quick on roll or pitch.

[megotroulette]

thanks for that information eric, Very much appreciate it!.. i am running a fairly new O.S 91 Cspec std.. i did have the mp2 on it, but i felt it wasn't the right muffler for me, so this time i have put the Sb16 i think it is with the clamp towards the rear.

i got a set of V1 yes V1 Vblades 700mm that i am going to try.. if they aren't real good i might just splurge out and maybe get a set of 710 180g or what ever v blades...

Hey eric have you crashed a set of those Radix blades yet or anyone here?... the have a heavy duty piano wire in it that wraps around the head tightly ... The "Nigelcrash" video that was posted on here.. he had radix blades on.. and the blades actual did more damage than the funkey chicken did..

i will give 8 degrees ago on the cyclic deflection and if need be i will bump it up to 8.5 max.. i have a set of V paddles coming also

thanks Anthony for the Kind words mate!!.. you too are a very nice bloke.. willing to go out of your way to help someone..(thanks again for the silicon i used at 3ddu :mrgreen: )

Hey eric, one of those videos i was saying was your Fury extreme it went Very well...

Thankyou to all that have helped me out, you top notch people are a real Credit to the hobby :D i hope i said that right :dontknow :lol: :oops:

Cheers,

[EricLarson]

No problem,

Yes I have crashed the Radix and that wire is a very GOOD improvement. It may do some damage if you funky chicken and do not or can not get into hold, but I will take damage to the model any day to improve safety. I can not count the # of times I have almost been hit by large parts of blades after a crash and one of our local guys brused several ribs after a hunk of blade hit him in the chest after a crash 60-70 feet away or so. With the Radix all of the parts stay attached and no one is at risk from a large chunk of carbon and weight flying at high speed. I really don't care about the model during a crash, I can fix that.....

V1 700's fly fine. They pull a bit more power than the new versions and some other blades on the market but they fly well. 710's will pull harder.

The SB16 is nice and smooth, but is no where near the power output we have with the SB17 or 18. The 16 is a muffler, the 17 & 18 are pipes.

95mm V paddles fly well. Just watch the mounts and replace them if they loosen up.

[megotroulette]

just a question on pitch eric, do you have the pitch more sensitive around centre stick..? so you would be hovering nearly half stick?... why i ask?, i just watch some videos that include the tx in a little window down the bottom, and they only move the pitch not to the extreme but don't need to move it far to sorta stop rainbows for instance..

Cheers,

[cdrking]

SAB carbon paddles

Eric,

Have you used these paddles much? After a few flights I am seeing oil dripping out of the hole in these paddles. I assume after alot of backwards flying. I usually only notice it when I get it back home and start cleaning it up. Was wondering if this may affect weight after a bit of soaking???


I have about .020 shim under my cyclic swash ball on the inside of my swashplate to give me about 8.5 degrees of cyclic deflection. I am running about 11 degrees of pitch. It really takes the full package to make the machine fly as good as it can. I worked nearly all of last year to get the Stratus to fly the way I really wanted it to.


I thought they flew great right out of the box?

Flybar carrier in the outside of the 2 holes.

I think I had followed a previous post of yours recommending the inner holes on the new carrier. Did you go to the outside for increased cyclic? I would also like to get my Fury a bit snappier.

Great video from Vegas BTW.

Thanks,

Jeff

[EricLarson]

I run a straight line pitch setup... -11, 0 in center, +11 No S curve stuff. On Futaba our Throttle / Pitch stick is already 80% less throw than the cyclic side so we are really running positive expo already. I see no reason to make it even more sensitive.... Speed of servo's and setup are the big deals. I have been running Futaba 9451's for a bit now and they are .10 on 6V.

The paddles seem ok so far. I have not had any issues, but hopefully the centrigugal force would take care of most of that issue. I only have probably 10 gallons on them or so.... The Funtech 20g are better quality and fly about the same.

The outside of the flybar carrier gives less flybar deflection. The inside holes give more flybar deflection.

I am running different flybar settups depending on paddles. Larger paddles I run the outside, the stock paddles or smaller ones I run the inside. Depends on what type of flybar deflection I want. If you run big paddles and too much throw you will get a lof of paddle stall.

Anyway, Just fly what feels best. Later,