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Whirly-Girl
04-04-2006, 04:32 AM
First of all, I would like to thank (again) Bergen for their continued great customer service and Gary Travis for patiently providing information to make my Intrepid EB the best heli it can be. :D

1. The detents that must be drilled in the tail drive shaft need to be nice and deep or one of the collars could slip, especially the one over the "dogbone."

2. For weight on the nose our EB took approximately 1.5 pounds to balance it. Use lead pellets so a small box can be used, as opposed to larger fishing weights which don't stack nicely.

3. Use the small wheel on the rudder servo for better resolution. You'll still get full travel on the tailrotor.

4. If there is any tailrotor bell crank play, sand down the aluminum spacer between the flanged bearings until the play goes away.

5. Use a piece of "wrap-around" velcro to dampen the tail rotor pushrod oscillations.

6. Be aware that your canopy mounting studs are 18mm in the front and the long "stepped" studs go in the back. With the fiberglass canopy we had to use the top frame hole for the studs to make the predrilled canopy holes line up.

7. Be careful not to oversize your ball links. There is a HUGE difference in the feel of the Bergen EB when going from just a tiny bit of slop in the head to no slop - rock solid with a tight head. Make sure the links move freely on the balls but don't allow ANY play. Replace a link that is the least bit sloppy. Two ways to "size" the links - ball link sizing tool or just squeeze the link repeatedly with pliers until it frees up.

8. Go with V-blades from the beginning: 810 mains, 90 paddles, 110 tail-blades. I had to retrim my tail after switching to V-tail-blades...they are way more stiff.

9. No wire mesh shielding needed on the spark plug wire of Zenoah engines. Stock is fine, range check as always. A wire shield may cause interferrence.

10. Put an aluminum fuel "T" in between the carb and the fuel tank so you can fill your tank without pulling the line off the carb every time.

11. The link lengths in the instructions are a starting point. In the head especially, check for correct geometry (everything horizontal at zero pitch). Double check the alignment pins that go into the headblock - at full negative be sure they don't come out of the headblock grooves.

12. Additional things to order at the same time as your helicopter: Zeal tape, head button, spare ball links, Bergen Tool Set (fan hub wrench, fly bar lock) and aluminum antenna mount.

13. Find someone with a dial indicator, borrow one or buy one. You might need a vice too. You'll need this to true up your fan.

14. Use a heavy duty zip tie while storing your heli to keep the rear gear from spreading as it sits.

15. A 50/90 sized blade holder from HeliProz fits nicely.

16. Send your fiberglass canopy (available from Bergen), tail fins and fan shroud to Ricko's or your favorite painting place, to have them painted while you're building. You get credit toward your fiberglass canopy if you opt for it instead of the stock one.

17. If you are near sea level: 1-3/8 turns open is a good starting point for the high and low needles on the carburetor. Only move one needle at a time, and only one screwdriver width at a time.

18. If using Penzoil 100% synthetic oil, use 6 oz. per gallon mixture ONLY until the rings seat. Then switch to 5 oz. per gallon IMMEDIATELY. At 6 oz. per gallon the needles can't ever lean the motor out enough to run smoothly.

19. Use Blue Marble Oil from the beginning. Mix it at 5 oz. of oil per gallon. If you are switching from a synthetic oil to an ashless then a re-break-in is necessary. Richen your needles, run five tanks, then lean needles as required. Blue Marble oil is used successfully for maximum smoothness in a stock Zenoah engine.

20. When the rings seat you will hear an audible change in RPM, it will increase (remember you're just hovering still). Richen the low end up slightly, change the oil to 5 oz. per gallon if using Penzoil, or keep running 5 oz. per gallon if running Blue Marble Oil.

21. Head speed: Set your throttle curve so you reach 1450 RPM by quarter stick, then fly at 1520 RPM. Set Idle Up at 1520 for flying. If you're lifting a camera mount or doing aerobatics, 1520 RPM is what you want in flight.

22. Check ALL bolts/nuts after the first FIVE minutes of hovering. Check them often after that for the first few tanks. Make sure everything is tight.

23. No Li-Poly batteries on your downlink TX. Li-Poly battery leads aren't shielded so they cause interferrence on the camera servos.

Good luck! There is still so much more to learn. :D

rkeith2
04-04-2006, 11:12 AM
Jeanette,

Nice write-up for fellow gasser folks.

Q: Detents on the drive tube? Are you drilling into the aluminum to embed the grub screws a tad ...

Gary Travis
04-04-2006, 12:17 PM
Yes, that will hold the drive shaft securly, if you don't the drive shaft will eventualy slip on the ends.
Gary

cbergen
04-04-2006, 12:39 PM
You actually want to drill THROUGH the aluminum arrow shaft, into whatever is underneath it (dog bone, aluminum coupler, or gearbox input shaft).

Very good compilation of tips. :D

Whirly-Girl
04-04-2006, 01:12 PM
Those were just some thoughts I wrote down as I came across them. I know there isn' very much technical info compiled over here on HeliFreak, so I want to post as much "useful" stuff as I can. 90% of that info I posted is not my actual finding...just experience that is being passed on to me by the "pros"... :glasses:

As for the holes, yes go THROUGH the shaft and divot what is underneath. It was late...or should I say "early" in the morning while I was completing that step and I told my husband to divot the arrow shaft. :oops: It is a good thing my friend with the Predator was out at the field the day I decided to try and Maiden the EB. He just happened to start twirling the tail around (he was ADMIRING the HD tail box...hehehe) and notice the mains weren't moving when he twirled the tail both directions. :shock: Very important lessoned learned!

Jeanette

Brady Longmore
04-04-2006, 01:25 PM
Thanks for the helpful post. Lot's fo good info for some of us newbies.

-Brady

Tristan Buhler
04-04-2006, 05:49 PM
That looks like a great list. Bergen and Gary are a great help with the gassers and helis in general. There drive shaft method is a must, I found that out spoiling up.

peter84
04-04-2006, 09:06 PM
Nice list of tips. Do they all apply to the standard gasser also?
Safe flying, Peter

Whirly-Girl
04-04-2006, 09:55 PM
I haven't owned the standard gasser...yet. :wink: But I would say 99% of those tips would be true for it also. The only things that would be different would be blade sizes and of course gearing and the boom length. I'm sure Chris or Gary will chime in and let you know if there is anything in that list you should not do.

Man, all this California rain is depressing today! I can't wait to get some sun and fun!

cbergen
04-04-2006, 10:10 PM
About the only thing I don't fully agree with is the "T" in the fuel line. I'm more concerned about an air leak getting in any connections, and you just added 3!

I usually just pull the fuel line off the return side of the carb to fill the tank.

The standard gasser headspeed is 1650 in a hover, up to 1800 for some aerobatics.

And I don't like Li-poly's anywhere :shock: , Li-Ions are great, especially from Duralite!

FlyinTiger
04-05-2006, 01:29 AM
I usually just pull the fuel line off the return side of the carb to fill the tank.



Well, Mr. Obvious just pointed out the most simple solution. Whirly-Girl and I are going to kick ourselves for wasting the time and money for the fuel "T" when we could have just been pulling off the "return line" connection this whole time.

The Bergen support has come through yet again...If I could only think of all the questions I don't know to ask yet... :)

MarkWebber
04-05-2006, 01:47 AM
About the only thing I don't fully agree with is the "T" in the fuel line. I'm more concerned about an air leak getting in any connections, and you just added 3!


Maybe, if their stuck on the T, they could place it in the return line. Any air will be returned to the tank in any case. I put the T in the overflow line. Doesn't seem to be filling well! :wink:

Mark Webber

cbergen
04-05-2006, 01:09 PM
Now there's a simple yet effective solution!!

Good point Mark!

MarkWebber
04-05-2006, 07:05 PM
Chris

If you're fueling through the carb inlet, would you say that tying the fuel lines to the barbs is overrated? I've always used quick connects on planks but as this is my first gasser I wasn't sure what is the right choice. I see plenty of recommendations to wire tie the lines. Have you had any problems with them comming off in the past? I guess if you don't tie them it must not be much of an issue, huh :)

And, of course, if you've placed your T in the return line you won't be able to defuel the tank. But we are supposed to fly the fuel out, no? :D :D

Thanks,
Mark

cbergen
04-05-2006, 10:57 PM
Quote "I usually just pull the fuel line off the return side of the carb to fill the tank. " End quote.

There are two lines, a feed line TO the carb, and a return line FROM the carb. This is the one I use to fill the tank.

I do tye wrap the fuel lines onto the fittings on and in the tank, but not the ones on the carb. They have multiple barbs, and I have not had a single one come off when I didn't want it to. (and sometimes when I do want it to come off :lol:)

I have only flown all the fuel out a couple of times, and always when I started with less than half a tank...... :shock: Otherwise, I just leave the fuel in it.

Whirly-Girl
04-06-2006, 12:51 AM
I guess if you don't tie them it must not be much of an issue, huh :)

I went to adjust my vent line (the only one without a clamp) and it came right off the fuel tank! As fuel gets on Tygon it expands and becomes much more supple. It seems stiff and durable when you're first putting the lines in, but the lines become limp noodles when soaked in fuel for any length of time.

I am going to clamp ALL fuel lines except the "return line" from the carb, which I'll use to fill the tank. The nice thing about the carb on a Zenoah is the double barb, so that one should be okay, plus, if it came off nothing would happen.

Dubro makes some nice, simple hose clamps...or small zip ties work fine too. :cool:

FBaity
06-13-2006, 09:48 AM
You actually want to drill THROUGH the aluminum arrow shaft, into whatever is underneath it (dog bone, aluminum coupler, or gearbox input shaft).

Very good compilation of tips. :D

When drilling through the arrow shaft, how deep do you go into the next material? Are we talking a dimple, a small hole?

Thanks

Frank Baity
AMA 38026

MarkWebber
06-13-2006, 03:31 PM
After one slightly less than deep enough dimple, I went to the point that the drill bit shank had just started into the material. All good after that!

Malorie
06-14-2006, 12:13 AM
Nice tips Jeanette.

One thing to keep in mind, only drill the arrow shaft for ONE of the three set screws and NOT all three. Just drill deep enough to dimple the shaft or coupler underneath. :)

Malorie

Gary Travis
06-14-2006, 12:17 AM
Beat me to it Malorie :noteworthy
Gary