Anyone tried the new V1.51 heli software for the CC 110?

[Eyefly]

It seems that CC has made this new software available for heli use. Has anyone tried it yet?

Here is a link to a discussion:
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t255892p1/

CC Sight information:
http://www.castlecreations.com/downloads/cl_beta_info.html

Alex

[bob00]

The new fixed throttle endpoint heli mode seems to have ALL the features that most of us who currently use this ESC in AIR mode have been looking for.

Great news, I'll give it a try as soon as I can.

- Rob

[Eyefly]

Please post your thoughts on how it works as soon as you have a chance.

[BobbySmith]

Hey that looks intersting Rob let us know how it goes i might have to drop a Esc in my Ion



Bobby

[WillJames]

Flashing my HV-110 now. Thanks for the heads-up Alex.

OK Flashed to Airplane mode with autocalibrating for test flight 1. This is the mode with the old firmware that could strip gears very easily with the NEU/G3 RX in my 2-stage setup. I am now testing it in my Single Stage 32-3 setup.

I will take my laptop to the field, but not sure about where to go next. I would like to try fixed endpoints GOV mode, but I definitely do not want the motor to stay running during autos. I like to auto, if you know what I mean. In their description, do they mean N mode when they talk about the first idle up? Anybody running the 110 with these new heli modes?

I am goign to try to get by the field on my way home from my afternoon work, but not sure if I'll make it or not.

Will

[BobbySmith]

New software works but the Esc still doesnt work as good as my Hacker 77-0-H

[BobbySmith]

HEADS UP GUYS not sure what is up wiht teh CCcontrollers my whole power system was getting hot flight times were only 2minutes 30 seconds and everything was hot i mean HOT!!!!!! so i went back to the Hacker 77-0-h and problem solved.

I was using it in Aero mode

Not sure what is up wiht the CC software :arggg: :arggg:

[WillJames]

I am having low power and higher temps by a wide margin with the latest updates myself. The 77-O won't do 12s, but it sure is bulletproof on 10s.

I am not really sure about the CC-110 either B. Need to flash back to the prior bios, get a baseline then flash back to the new and take temps. All this takes time, and I may end up putting the Hacker ESC back in until after next weekend when I intend to go to the Sheep for the first time in a while and just fly and have fun.....

[BobbySmith]

Yea i here ya Will iam going to wait till after MHA to do any more testing i got both Ions on 10s SPANKING IT!!! so they will be just fine

[Rickster]

I can recall version 1.11 Beta that CC had. A couple of us had perfect working PH-25's in T-Rex and Shogun on 3S. We flashed from 1.021 to the "New Better" 1.11. My buddy's T-Rex hovered for all of 1 minute before it went into Thermal shutdown and by the time it touched down there were MOSFET chips on the ground. It literally got so hot it unsoldered all the chips on the PC board. I was a little apprehensive so I just spooled mine up in my hand and noticed quicky it was getting HOTTTTT.. Flahed the ESC back to version 1.021 and I am still using it today in a foamy, cool to the touch...

Caslte makes some great controllers and have a warranttee program that is beyond reproach but I fear they do not do enough R&D themselves and allow the end users "us" to do it for them..

Rick

[BobbySmith]

Yea i remember that Rick crazy stuff for sure!! The thing is if i didnt know the performacne differance i would never know some thing was up!! @ first i thought my motor was taking a dump then i went over everything last night and it all checked out put my old hacker back in and BOOM ROCKING AGAIN!!!


Yea i hate being the SUCKER for R&D it wouldnt be so bad if they woudl work wiht some of us so we could get a better idea of what is going on.

[JonMann]

Any more updates on how this new version is working. Getting ready to set up my 110HV and not sure which software version to use based on the feedback of 1.51 so far.

-jon

[WillJames]

I would wait personally. Cool new features, but if your heli is flying good now, give it a little while. Also before you do, try a 77-O-H to get a baseline on your performance before installing the 110, and be sure to keep a VERY close eye on your temps.

[JonMann]

Will,

Already have one ION running 10s with the 77-0-H, this will be a second ION set-up for 12s. Based on all this, I won't flash it with the 1.51 firmware.

[BobbySmith]

Yea Jon teh old software was working on 12s for me in GOV mode it was rocking just kept ripping up gears a nd belts

[marcelino]

Wich one is the old software that works? There are many of them to download.

I`ve got a HV110 to try 12S (because my Kontronik is only 10S capable) and don`t know wich software to take.

Marcel

[JonMann]

v1.23 was the last version before 1.51

http://www.castlecreations.com/downloads/frh-phoenix.html

[WillJames]

1.23 was working great for me and LOTS of power running airplane mode withthe NEU 1521. Like B, I use the 14MZ and I was going through a lot of secondary gears due to the HUGE amount of torque of this combination. I think B found out that if he reinstalled a regular PCM RX (Removed the G3) this combo made secondaries last a lot longer. THe bottom line is that with the fast new radios, and the HUGE torque new motors and the 20C + Packs, we are pushing the design limits of the airframes. We are changing a lot of things at once and it is harder to dial in the heli and harder to T-Shoot any issues that come up. Would I do it differently next time... Hell no! I LOVE the Big Electric machines, the Ion-X IMHO is king of the hill. I am here at the great Chattanooga Event and there have been many people who flew my Ion and LOVED it. Ion's ROCK!!

[BobbySmith]

Yup that is the version to use keep in mind wiht the G3 rx we could just trash secondarys

I went back to 319 rx and no more problems
Jon iam curious to see how youre luck goes wiht teh double 60 tooth as i trashed one in seconds when i started doing 3d flying around it was fine then i went knife edge and boom DONE!!!

I still say teh 32-3 wiht a belt drive is the way it had the best performance on 12s

Will wish i could be there but i got alot of new stuff going on cant wait till MHA next week!!

[JonMann]

I'm really surprised that the G3 receiver would make any difference?!?!?!?! I was planning on using a G3, but I guess I'll stick a 319 or a r149dp in there as well.

Just so I'm clear, with the v1.23 software you want to configure the ESC in airplane mode (non-gov mode).

Bobby, you really trashed the double stack secondary gears with this config?? Man, that is hard to imagine, 'cuz it does look plenty beefy. In idle up do you run a straight line throttle curve or do you have a slight V?? I just wonder if a throttle change is causing this, since when you are in airplane mode the ESC shouldn't try to do any big throttle changes on it's own like it would in gov mode under load.

I should have this 12s ION in the air in a day or so, weather too nice here right now to spend time building, gotta FLY!!!!!!!!!!! So hopefully I'll have something to report in a couples days on how things go.

Sure wish the CC guys were better at explaining what is the best set-up with their stuff. Called a guy there the other day to talk about the 1.51 software, he was a heli guys, he could tell me all the wonders of this new release working on a Trex, but they have no idea of what will happen in these bigger-high powered setups.

I'm with Will, the ION is the best heli I have ever owned, I get more flying time with it than I ever got trying to keep nitro helis in the air.

Thanks again for all the help guys.

[marcelino]

Thank you guys. Will download the 1.23 and try...

Btw i removed the G3 rx a few months ago. I was not able to find an antenna position where i had not at least one failsafe per flight. Placed the 148dp in and now it works fine.

Seems that is something already on the plus side now with the CC ESC...
:)

Marcel

[BobbySmith]

Jon yes trashed gear on 10s and 12s double stacked i was running governer mode on 12s @ 80 % it has a lot of power like i said it works great until you start turning the helicopter quick then boom it strips

On 10s i was running 100% throttle curve i was using sinlge 48s until i had to change them every 30 flights then i came up wiht the thick motor plate idea didnt have any problems until i put the g3 in it and boom stripped 2nd flgiht so i went back to the 319rx wiht the double stack have alot of flights on 10s wiht 0 failure

A V curve is a waste of time on a electric if you ask me.

Her is the thread from the first double gear made http://www.helifreak.com/about10647.html

[WillJames]

I went through 5 secondaries with HC me and Clint, (Yes even the clintstone smooth smack would kill them) using the CC-110 in Airplane Mode, the G3 and the NEU 1521. I sold my 2-stage Ion, and have been running a single stage with 32-3/Hacker 77-O-Heli for 157 flights now, with no issues and great power. This single stage setup on 10s is my favorite heli combo I have ever owned by a wide margin. I really dislkite working on my machine all the time, and all I do is lube with tri-flo each flying weekend, and check the machine over between flights, and nothing has ever come loose or been a problem on this setup. It DOES get flown HARD to, Marcus Kim, H to the C, Clint and many others fly this macine regularly. Me and B are not the kind of people that figure stuff on paper and talk shit while the heli sits and is not flown. Our machines get tested HARD weekend in and weekend out.

Everybody who flys it love it, to the point the word is getting around and some people will not even go near it for fear of getting hooked in. ;) I am not fibbing, even Chris Bergen flew it this weekend and liked it. Come to think of it, I do not know of anyone who has flown it that did not like it. They usually say they LOVE it but don't think they can afford to get all the kit necessary to fly and have fun with one.

[BobbySmith]

I was going to do some Governer mode testing for Bernie @ castle he said he was willing to work wiht me. A fter Mha event next week i will go back to tesing i also have a 170 gram set of 690 V'S iam working with and they flying VERY VERY well


There is a fine line between 3d and hard 3d i like the hard on the deck 3d and the 10s setups have me a little bored right now even though the power is incredible i wish we could get the 12s to hold together. THE BELT DRIVE 32-3 ON 12S IS THE MONSTER!!! POWER IS INSANE!!!!

[JonMann]

Will,

I'm having the same experience with my ION as you are, it is config'd the same. Never any problem with Batts, ESC, Motors, just fly it -- and it flies very well, but I am looking for a little more "punch". With that said, I'm hoping the 12s set-up will hold up under my flying. I'm not like Bobby, not "hard 3D" down on the deck kinda of stuff, more of "soft 3D" (funnels, hurricanes, piro-flips, etc) but a little higher -- a mistake high or so ;) and little easier on collective. I have a YS91 Stratus, and honestly the power is better, but I really believe that when we getting a bullet proof set-up running 12s like we have today with the Hacker/Actro/10s the power differences will be negligible.