View Full Version : Cypher 3D - Love this Heli!
09-24-2009, 05:20 PM
+1 on the Logictec 2100/3100 gryo/servo combo. http://www.heliproz.com/prodinfo.asp?number=138520 Can't beat the preformance and price. Takes a bit more to set-up, but it's well worth it. Finless has a set-up vid for it too ! Jim, don't know if it's within your budget or not , but you won't get the quality vs price with any other gyro out there !!
09-24-2009, 06:57 PM
Jim, don't know if it's within your budget or not , but you won't get the quality vs price with any other gyro out there !!
Looks very good and I like the menu setup.. But no I can't afford that now.. I'll be looking for a new job soon and if I hit pay dirt I'll be able to buy a mess of heli stuff.. :YeaBaby:
But for now I will probably go with a respected low cost unit like the Telebee gr302.... I'll report my findings...
09-24-2009, 08:58 PM
Jim send me a PM. I have a telebee or Eflight gyro you can have for the postage to your house. It works and has about 15 minutes of flight time on it. I got it on sale for $25.00 at Hobby City.
Or if you have a super speed servo and feel like going through a bunch of reading i will sell you a G401B I am not using.
09-26-2009, 02:46 AM
09-26-2009, 07:23 AM
Well I just got her in the air again for the first time since the crash.. It was amazing how much skill I lost in just 10 days and a screw up... Feels more like flight 5 than flight 14... It also felt a little different but I can't be sure how much of that was lost time.. I must say that considering the wind, the bad gyro (which now likes to take a sharp right turn on liftoff) and a rebuild she was a rock.... She really wanted to just sit there in hover despite my wacky reactions to wind changes.. :lol: She is a good ship...
09-26-2009, 02:56 PM
Jim, so glad to hear you're up and flying again. It is amazing how shaky we get after a short time of not flying. I got mine up today too. First time in a week or so. I now have the HS-65's on cyclic and she flew real well. Was a bit shaky at first and it almost got away from me a few times, but managed to maintain. Then it started raining so only got one packs worth. You're right, she is a good ship. Very quick too !!!! My Cypher kinda floats there and it's fun to fly.
Hope everyone is getting their stick time while the weather lasts.
09-26-2009, 06:55 PM
Jim it is ALL your fault!!!
I was out there looking for your gyro and I started thinking. I went a head and started looking at my MX450SX and figured I would look at the G401B gyrd I picked up. It has always drifted and had a strange wag.
I changed the distance on the servo arm closer to the center and it now has a gain of 45% That is up from 29% an that was to high and would wag like crazy. My MX450SX now flies pretty well.
That is not all. I broke out my Raptor 30 V1 and it is now ready for a test flight. I have the batteries on charge now. I should be able to get a flight in by dark. See all of this is your fault. If you would not have needed a gyro, made me go out and look for it. I would not have had this much fun.
Here is a pic of my MX450.
09-27-2009, 03:01 AM
Sorry about that Dru... I could also use a 600 class electric if you happen to find one.. :YeaBaby:
Nice bird there..
Then it started raining so only got one packs worth. You're right, she is a good ship. Very quick too !!!! My Cypher kinda floats there and it's fun to fly.
Hope everyone is getting their stick time while the weather lasts.
Yeah I only had time for one pack too,, And quick as can be.. I don't know what possessed me, but on my initial lift off I jerked the collective, sort of like you might do in the sim and she exploded off the ground and was at 15 feet in the blink of an eye.. Had an oh $hit moment but backed off before it got into orbit..
Those lighting liftoffs should prove handy for getting up to altitude for FPV flight.. :YeaBaby: It's like a rocket ship with just a little extra pitch..
I'm planning to still fly in the colder weather so long as the winds are manageable...
Raining today it looks like sadly.. Anyone fly in the rain?:thinking
I also flew with a 2200 15C Zippy today and the pack didn't even get very warm.. They cost like $12... :shock:
09-27-2009, 12:33 PM
The old red label lipos I have are 15C and they will come down warm but not hot. I also have some RINO 1750's I am going to try. They are lighter and a little smaller. May not have the flight time, but they are 25 C batteries.
Having issues with the Raptor 30. The O.S. 32 odes not want to idle. I have been checking the mixture but so far not much change. I ran out of stater battery last night so I will try again tonight. I may just leave the glow starter on to see if I can get it to hover and see how it sounds.
I also have a Webra 35 I want to get into my other Raptor. I am searching for the factory setting on it. I like it because it flies on 5% nitro. The 30% nitro fuel is way to high for me.
09-29-2009, 01:59 PM
I flew on Sunday evening. I was hoping to fly all my 7 pack but I notice vibration. I had kind of crash day before. The wind was so heavy that once she just dropped like brick, hit the ground and jumped 15 feet up. I had broken only skid and part of frame.
I think main shaft is tiny bend. I am going to replace it and test. I want to take my Cypher to Fun Fly at Virginia.
09-29-2009, 08:36 PM
Jim it is boxed up and tagged. I should be able to get home in time to mail it tomorrow. Can not be much to ship.
P.S. I got my raptor 30 back in the air. She needs a little tuning but not much.
09-30-2009, 12:54 AM
Thought I might give you a hollar because this is my first heli. My setup is 3 Hitec HS 65 for the swashplate
1 Airtronics 94761z digital tail servo
1 Futaba 401 Gyro
1 Spektrum satillite receiver I cant think of the model number
Operating off of a DX7. Live in Pasadena, crashed about 5 to 8 times but still having a BLAST from just having success after repairing it.
I see it as one durable heli for beginers!
09-30-2009, 05:03 AM
Yes it is quite durable...considering mine is repaired after crashing full speed into cement from about 30 feet up for about $80 including servos... Not my normal kind of crash based on past crashes with last heli..
Wildest flight of my career tonight..
Back in the well lit parking lot at night...:oops:
I started off fine when suddenly a gust of wind comes...
She starts to turn and climb while I'm trying to get it back...
The wind pushes her hard to my left--fast and higher now left side in and getting further away.....
Crap what do I do?
Got to get that damn tail in I'm thinking--no way I'm letting this crash again... Now almost nose in and side sliding for a tree at 25 feet fast.. :shock: It was surreal...
So starting to get more pizzed than scared I jam the rudder hard to the right... So hard she just about does a piro... :lol: Oh crap, I'm thinking what a time for my first piro...
So I jerk that rudder again and she's tail in while also at 30 feet and in a steep left lean getting very close to a tree and over pass..
"No #*^%# way am I letting this thing crash" I said..
Pulled it hard cyclic to the right added a bit of collective and she stopped on a dime just a couple of feet from the tree... Finally leveled her out, got her steady, and put her down...
WOW... :clappp That was CLOSE..
Nice soft landing... Couldn't believe I saved it...
Subsequent flights were more fully contained and controlled to a small area with limited alt and thankfully were uneventful...
Thanks Dru I'll be on the lookout...
09-30-2009, 09:37 AM
I made inspection of my Cypher yesterday. I found one broken bearing inside main blade holder. After I think 5 crashes I decide to replaced main blade holders and feathering spindle spacers with o-rings.
It looks like we can easy overlook some broken or bended parts after our crashes.
09-30-2009, 09:56 AM
I have everything mounted in the rear, receiver, esc, gyro, all more or less under each other, with esc mounted to/under the Rx shielded and spaced...
I have no nose heavy condition with a 2200 in the nose but my Rx, gyro and esc positioning (moment) from CG and total weight may just be higher than others... In fact it could take a slightly heavier battery with no problem...
09-30-2009, 10:12 AM
I fly my Cypher with Zippy 2200, TP 2250 and Impulse 2500. The last one is little heavier but give me about one minute more of flight. I still have my tail servo S9257 close to end of tail, even after coupe of crashes it is still in very healthy condition.
09-30-2009, 01:37 PM
Jeremy, fight it all the way to the ground, just like Jim. Do not give up. If she is not broken in the air, you have a chance to save it. You have to remember that the most costly crash will be $120.00, that is the sale price for a new Cypher. I have been to timid with mine. I am not pushing the limits enough.
I used to bury a nitro bird every weekend trying new things. now I am happy just sport flying. A couple loops, rolls, stall turns and I am happy.
09-30-2009, 01:39 PM
Just need to get over this horrible fear of crashing [I know it'll happen].
I discovered good practice to get over fear of crashing.
Try to recover from your memory what have been doing in that moment when you crashed. Then try to reproduce it on sim and watch on your stick movement. You will discover that you have wrong reaction in this particular situation.
Good lack it is just a hobby – but very challenging one.
09-30-2009, 06:40 PM
Lowflyer, I'm using CellPro 2200mah packs. ESC is mounted under tthe rear of the frame [between the skids]. RX is mounted under the tail boom and Logictec gyro is on top of the boom. Mine is nose heavy too, even when I use a 1800mah pack. I tried mounting the tail servo app. 2" in front of the vertical fin using a short link rod from my spare parts collection. That helped level it out some. Only problem was when I had a boom strike the tail servo was taken out! So the servo is back to the original spot. I've read where others have talked about the Cypher being nose heavy. Some have tried to compensate by adjusting the swash, others have tried adding weight to the tail, still others have said the nose being heavy wasn't a problem. I haven't flown mine since putting the tail servo back to the normal spot cuz I'm waiting on blades [just saw the UPS man drop them at my door, yahoo!] I'll try it and let you guys know if I have an issue with it being nose heavy.
Jeremy... funny, that's EXACTLY what I said !!!!
10-01-2009, 05:45 PM
Jim, I put in in the mail today. Priority mail, should be 3 days to get to you.
10-02-2009, 12:01 PM
Nice helicopter, stable and flies great with cheap components. Use Airtronics RDS 8000 with mine. Overall a good setup.
10-02-2009, 12:19 PM
I tell people about the Cypher and they refer to it as a POS. They want only Rex stuff. They even look down on the EXI for $50.00 and it is a Rex clone.
A guy at the field was told not to waste his money on one. I was flying it around and he was wacthing it. i flew 3 packs and he came up asked what it was. I told him and he started laughing. He was impressed with it. He liked what he saw. I said it is a good helicopter.
He was talking about how he was told to get product "A" with these other parts or he would not have any fun because everything else is junk. He was thinking about getting a Cypher next sale.
10-02-2009, 01:46 PM
These guys who think that Rex's are the only thing that are any good can kiss my butt !!! Cypher is a great heli !! Very easy on the wallet, lesser parts count, easy as hell to work on, easy to set up, handsome to look at, great to fly , great to learn on parts are readilly available... I could go on and on !! That's why I have two of 'em. Yeah the rex is a great series of helis, but not the only good one out there. I don't know why more of the lesser known helis don't get more attention. Ask anyone from this thread how they like their Cyphers !!!!
10-03-2009, 03:13 AM
Thanks Dru I'll be on the lookout...
There are a lot of other good helis out there in the 450 class, the Mini-Titan for one, I think is better than the T-Rex design...
The cypher has a lot going for it but could use a couple of mods and upgrade parts... Also some of the replacement parts appear of lessor quality.
But I think some folks heard about the problems cypher had with the esc--saw the price drop a lot, it's got the plastic and the manufacturer doesn't seem really popular for helis..
I got the cypher because of the review and most folks said they liked it, plus the low price--$139 with esc and motor is hard to beat for what you get.. I wonder if sales were not high enough for them to go ahead with the upgrades.. If not then when I get a decent job I might go for a thunder-tiger heli.
The rex has so many followers though it's understandable a lot of folks support it...
10-03-2009, 07:21 PM
Here's a gyro question I've been wondering about. When is the time to use rate mode? Is it just for set-up or is it used for 3d? When the stick bangers are bangin' are they still in HH? :thinking Thanks guys...