Pls advise on Shuttle Plus 30 configuration

[Kam]

Hi all

I'm looking at getting into nitro helis after my trex.
I'm not too sure on the recommended electronics required for nitros.
I'm into basic aerobatics on my trex such as flips, loops, rolls, inverted hovering.

Kit: Hirobo Shuttle Plus
Servos: 4 x futaba s3003 servos
Engine: OS 37sz-h
Gyro: 401 & 9254
TX: Futaba 9C
RX: Hitec Electron 6

Pls advise if:
1) This setup looks ok?
2) If not what changes should I make.
3) What to lookout for (bugs) in the shuttle plus.

I'm not looking at the best electronics, but it must be able to meet my flying demands.

Thanks,
alvin

[Corkscrew]

Drop the electron 6. Go for a PCM. The vibration on this machine will kill your receiver.

[EVODUDE12]

i would get a evo 50 , will save you money in the long run, and use better servos like 9252 , the shuttle is a good heli but you would be better off with the evo 50, and don't very use the hitec rx in a heli lost one , won't do that again.

a good setup would be
evo 50
os hyper 50
sab 5 rs
fut 9c super
r149 9channel pcm
401/9254
4/ 9252
you would most likely end up close to this setup anyway and would have spent alot more than if you just got it to start with,

if you can fly the trex good then this heli will be a dream come true, it is alot bigger and fly's great , i have a shuttle sxx (eccpm) freya 90 , freya ex 90, evo 50 and a trex , as soon to be a trex 600 if i can talk the wife into it for x-mas

[Corkscrew]

Hi Evodude12,

Interesting collection you have there!

I know well the reason why you'd recommend the Sceadu Evo. Its a wonderful machine & flies incredibly in full stock version. However, it does have a higher crash index. Plus upgrade parts & cost per flight is also higher. Since the upgraded versions of the Shuttle are 3D capable anyways... it scores very high on my list. But thats just my .02 cents worth.

I noticed that you'd listed that your shuttle SXX is in eccpm conversion. I've purchased the SWM upgrade parts but have absolutely no idea how to set it up. The instructions that comes with these says nothing about servo placement or linkage lengths. Perhaps I can request for your assistance with this? It would be greatly appreciated.

Best of luck with your TREX600. I'm wondering tho why you're not aiming for a Lepton instead? You seem to be a Hirobo Man (like me).

My personal collection is far less impressive. I've a Shuttle Plus (bearing upgrades only), another Shuttle Plus with RG upgrades, a Freya Eagle 2 on a 60 (yep, very underpowered), a pair of Ark X450s, Trex 450XL and an SJM.

[Garland]

i havent had any issues on my electron 6s in my 2 logo 10s, LMH corona, and i think 1 or 2 of my nitro helis have this Rx.

Suttle..it depends on if ya have this gear laying around or are getting a good deal. my shuttle, I got a great deal and passed it on to a bud as a learner.

that list looks good, Id up the servos to 9202s just to be safe. The shuttles fly excellent out the box.
Were it me id get the Evo 30 so Id have a path to a 50 later. And also your not a beginner anymore. A tad more work to stretch a shuttle to a 50.... I have seen it done with evo tail bits tho.

[Corkscrew]

Garland,

I'd no idea that the Shuttle could be converted into a 50. Could you provide some links to information regarding this?

Thanks!

[EVODUDE12]

i have the manual for the eccpm shuttle in my gallery over at rr <mkeigwin> that should get you going on that one . i have that heli in a scale bell 222 right now and will mostlikely be puting a 46 in it , hirobo make a 46 conversion for the shuttle to make it in a 46 sizebird . i have some spares around and may see if they will fix before i buy anything for it 1st.
the parts cost from the evo to the shuttle are about the same - blades are cheaper but the shuttle is on line with the evo in cost, yes the evo does have more parts but they fly aboout the same if set upo right, the shuttle will only handle around +9-9 on the pitch , the evo can do 11/11 the evo is alot faster and will be some thing that you could grow into well and not have to spend alot to do it. the shuttle will take you a long way also , but it does not have the driven tail, so autos will not be as good , the 50 has lots of power to get you out of trouble faster, i had a evo 30 that did not have the power to loop well , had to use full power just to keep from hitting the ground, one time it did, let say it wasn't a 30 for long,

the first shuttle was a belt start, plastic clutch bushing and only the standard bearing ,
i learned to hover with that heli

if it was me i would go for the evo over any thing esle,


now i am looking at the trex 600, why well cost is a big factter, i still crash alot , hell last weekend i put the trex 450 in , and it cost me $60 to fix, same crash with the evo or freya would have been a new kit . so don't fly in the sun :twisted:

[Ivan]

The Shuttle Plus has way too many bushings for my taste and will get sloppy in a hurry. You would be better off getting an evo 30, or something with full ball bearings.

The shuttle design is fairly solid, but tends to be very nose heavy, and the cabin doesn't last long, since fuel will dissolve it and it is ABS instead of polypropylene, meaning that it cracks and falls off. Get the extra battery shelf (can't remember the number) to get the CG right easily.

The evo is a tougher machine with better geometery. It is a trick to get + or - 10º pitch with 0 at mid stick on a shuttle.

The shuttle can be converted ot a 50 size, at least they used to be able to. HHI used to make a kit to mount a 46 in one, which was before the time of the 50's. I just don't think the shuttle would stand up to it though. It was created during the time of the OS 28, and tehn the 32 came and they put a longer boom on it and 550 blades. I made a home brew engine mount for one of my shuttles and stuffed an old OS 45 aircraft engine in it, and it was fun until it threw the blades off. :mrgreen:

Speaking of departing blades, the shuttel blade grips have problems with splitting at teh blade grip hole, since the grip has a scallop for the bearing to come out and thereis not a flat place to take the load of tightening down the blade bolt. The Evo doesn't ahve this problem. If you get a shuttle and the grip cracks, don't fly it, ask me how I know. :WOW

In one sentence: You will be much happier with the extra money spent on an Evo.

Oh yeah, the Evo may have a higher cost of parts, but it survives MUCH better in a crash than a shuttle. In comparison, I would go so far as to call a shuttle "flimsy"

[Corkscrew]

i have the manual for the eccpm shuttle in my gallery over at rr <mkeigwin> that should get you going on that one . i

EVODUDE12,

I had no idea that what I had in mind was a Shuttle SXX, or at least something quite similar to it. I am well on my way to completing my Shuttle. Many thanks for taking the time to post that & share it with me.

I've almost all of the parts needed except the optional rudder servo tray that's fitted at the front of the other three servos. I'm uncertain if our LHS has it, but they do have the tailboom mounted servo holder which is used on the Evo & Shuttle Plus 2. That's what I have so I'll use that instead.

So it appears that the news I'd heard was true & that the Shuttle did have 50 sized variants. Thanks to both of you (Ivan also) for confirming that.

The local hobby shop has an RGM on display. Is this the conversion that can fit a 50?

The Evo .30 is a great machine & there are definite advantages to owning one. The bigger size & the fact that its readily convertible to a 50 does have advantages. But size is not the determining factor in my personal choice of the Shuttle. Clearly the Freya Eagle 2 would be an even better machine in terms of the quality of the stock parts, size, visibility, handling, etc. Its also upgradable to a 91 engine which would allow for more power & greater capabilities. But that would just be an escalation of higher costs to own, maintain & fly.

Availability of replacement parts in my local area was and is the biggest consideration for my having chosen the Shuttle. Our LHS carries it & is very well stocked for it, upgrades & option parts included. Not much for the Evo .30 tho. The Sceadu Evo .50 on the other hand, they're similarly well-stocked.

The bushings referred to are indeed a problem. There is an option part available which includes a full set of bearings & washers (SF Bearing Set 0402-526) to replace all the bushings with. My current understanding of why the bushings were put there in the first place was to make the cost of the Shuttle Plus more affordable, and is rightly introduced as an entry level heli. Rather than make the owner sell his/her Shuttle after learning the basics, Hirobo I think decided to offer Shuttle owners the option to upgrade it instead.

The ABS canopy has a fiberglass option part replacement. The cost tho, surely is high & may not be too practical.

Upgrading the Shuttle will cost so much, it would be cheaper to purchase a new larger heli. In my case, I'd purchased the Shuttle's entire SZ3 Rotor Head Assembly, plus SE mixing arms, SE Stabilizer control arm, SE washout set & SE swashplate. That alone, according to our LHS is worth an Evo 50 & a Hyperhead 50 engine. So I definitely agree with you guys on that.

I got these things simply because I like the way the Shuttle flies. Its neither too big, too small, too expensive, too responsive or too sluggish. Of course, I mean the upgraded Shuttle.

The SZ3 rotor head & the FZ-G Rotor Head Assembly (0402-614) in combination with the SE Stabilizer control arm produces +/-11 degrees.

Thanks for the advice. It is much appreciated!

Happy flying!

[EVODUDE12]

the shuttle that you have is what i have , but i got a deal on the kit as ashuttle sxx 200.00 new , then added the sz3 head and all the other upgrades also . i what to make it into rg also , i have both those manuals also . need to post them in the gallery over at rr . soon they don't make the rg kit anymore , that i can find . it is a small ex eagle . yes the cost for that is high but you only live one time . like i said i think that the motor mount is the one from the gph ? and i think the flywheel is the same from that kit. i have a spare evo 50 flywheel and clutch. and a motor mount that does not fix the evo but may be for the shuttle i just need to see it it will work. i have a evo 50 sitting on the work bench but have not had the time to get it running yet . i may sale it to fund the trex 600 and offset some of the cost for the heli . i just need to work out the spead sheet to compair the parts cost 1st but from what i can see the trex 600 is going to cost less to repair. see i crash alot . still learning :mrgreen:

[Garland]

for some reason I am itchin to make a Eheli conversion if for some reason my bud loses interest in his shuttle/RC helis.

QUK makes all the upgrades one would ever need or would a Evo 50 head fit a shuttle?

Awesome scaler shuttles are also.

[Corkscrew]

Evodude12,

Yes, I did hear that they're planning to stop production of the RG or that they already have. Not sure which is which. The LHS here tho still stocks parts for the RG. They've been around a long time. I think they also still have a few parts from the GPH, haven't inquired about it since I'd just learned that a 50 could actually be fitted recently (that is, from you & Ivan).

The price you paid for the SXX is very good. Here, thats about what I paid for a Shuttle Plus and a single non-digital servo.

I like your saying about living only one time. :D Wish my wife would agree!

I've crashed thrice so far, and I'm still very new to helis. I'm sure there's more of thats coming.

Again, thanks!


Garland,

Yep! I agree. Very nice 30 scale bodies.