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rob-atl
03-01-2009, 01:59 PM
Soneone asked me WHY I bought a 700 as my first Nitro, and if I still think it's the right decision. Good question! I LIKE the 700, and I think it's great quality, but I need to finish getting backwards & inverted backwards flight down, and wish I'd purchased a 600Ni and waited on the 700 until I was done with those 2 orientations.

My updated Objectives in a new heli:
NOW I realize what I need/ would appreciate most is stable,
affordable to crash,
not too intimidating,
But especially- LONG flight times & less battery charging at field always killing my car battery (8s 600 charges)
Be sure to ask yourself: "What do I want to learn / practice/ master in the next 6-9 months?" Would this really help me to do that better than any other?

Probably what would have helped me more is a 600 N (which I don't own)

1. Nitro not too much of a hassle, but 700 drinks it twice as fast as 600!.
2. What I really like is the long flight times, & 600 would be more affordable.
3. It is really big, heavy, expensive to crash. I've just crashed it once, but it lands hard, and more parts needed replacing than I'm used to with 450,500,600.
4. I'm not "afraid" of the 700. I will hover it and flip it below 10-15' off the ground. I'll fly it all around inverted. But it IS a BIG bird that could do some real damage with a mistake!!

The Crash:
I figured the 700 is so big you can't loose orientation! Wrong!! It's super powerful, and can get far away just as fast or faster than any heli, if you don't have a manuever down perfectly. (or are flying in a 25mph wind because the 700 can handle it so well!) So while flying backwards, and getting blown down wind FAST, on an overcast day, I lost orientation !

I've got inverted forward down really well now, working on backward flight which is going OK. But I've got so much to learn, and I LOVE the 500 & 600 sizes, the 700 isn't adding as much fun/ capability as I expected. Maybe I bought it 6-9 months early.

Why did I do it?
I figured if making the jump to Nitro, I should also experience a NEW SIZE (why get a 2nd 600). But the 700 size is not quite as much fun to me right now as I expected, as I really want to learn a bunch of stuff before summer , which may result in more crashes along the way!!

Rob

(all in answer to a message I received)
I was just wondering how you liked it compared to the 600? i.e. is nitro more of a hassle in your opinion than electric, what made you do it etc? Also, how much more do you like the size?

LONEWOLF2440
03-01-2009, 02:47 PM
The 700 is gona be easier to do those moves on

Mercuriell
03-01-2009, 03:03 PM
I agree much easier to perfect those moves with a 700 - the 600 is way more slippery IMHO - maybe you have the HS a tad high ~ 1800 is great for learning moves and really hones your CM skills - likewise the fuel consumption reflects HS

OTA
03-01-2009, 03:16 PM
Rob

Dont get me wrong, but it sounds like the 700N is borderline of what you can afford ?
You dont mention any negative but the cost related stuff such as the nitro consume and the increased crash cost !:dontknow

Anyway, the 700N is also my first nitro ever and i dont regret at all. It have been just a blessing to fly and I really think it gives me plenty of air time on a gallon of fuel.
I was most scared of the engine tuning, but that have been really simple too.
Size matters ! I really love the feeling of a .90 size.:thumbup:

Where is all the hazzle ? I havent found it, except from the clean up after a day of flying.

I am also at the level where i need to nail the backward flying and also to feel comfortable on inverted circuits. The long flying time on the Nitro have made the progress easier and less stressful.
However, i take the progress as it comes, main thing for me is to have fun:) and FUN i have with the 700N

rob-atl
03-01-2009, 08:03 PM
Good input.
I think I'll start flying it more and just enjoy it.
Maybe warm up & try new stuff on the 500, and then fly the 700.
I've actually progressed quite a lot in the last 4-6 weeks, and the 700 has been mostly sitting around while I improve backward flying on the 450 & 500.

Maybe my one Big 700 crash just made me hesitant. A LOT of stuff broke.

Crash Cost-
I guess I just feel like I'm wasting money if I crash it.
I feel I could afford pretty much any heli, and am happy the 700 is cheaper than Auroras, etc. But I hate to waste & destroy hundreds of dollars on a 700 crash if a 500 crash would have been 1/5 the cost.

c_forthofer
03-02-2009, 01:26 PM
Good input.
I think I'll start flying it more and just enjoy it.
Maybe warm up & try new stuff on the 500, and then fly the 700.
I've actually progressed quite a lot in the last 4-6 weeks, and the 700 has been mostly sitting around while I improve backward flying on the 450 & 500.

Maybe my one Big 700 crash just made me hesitant. A LOT of stuff broke.

Crash Cost-
I guess I just feel like I'm wasting money if I crash it.
I feel I could afford pretty much any heli, and am happy the 700 is cheaper than Auroras, etc. But I hate to waste & destroy hundreds of dollars on a 700 crash if a 500 crash would have been 1/5 the cost.


Not to be glib about the crash costs but it kind of goes with the Heli hobby. EVERYONE dumb thumbs it, even the "pros", yes they are sponsored, yes they probably get their parts for free but when you count on things being mechanically perfect every time in order to land again in one piece crashing becomes part of the routine (hopefully not often). I've seen Planks on video land with their rudders (vertical stab) ripped completely off. See how many folks can auto in a heli with the tail control link popped off.. think of Heli's as a plank with no second chance :P Its just something you have to accept, you will crash these things and paying the repair cost is part of the "hobby".

Chris.

OTA
03-02-2009, 03:20 PM
But I hate to waste & destroy hundreds of dollars on a 700 crash if a 500 crash would have been 1/5 the cost.

I dont understand this kind of logic:thinking. Sure a 700 costs more to smack than a 600, a 600 more than a 500, and the 500 more than the 450 etc.
You just have to make your mind: Can you accept and afford to smack the 700 once in a while, or is it just too much ?. Pick your comfort level of involved costs.

The 700 is no fun if you`re shaky scared for smacking it every time you do a lift off.

lowflyer101
03-02-2009, 09:02 PM
compare crash on 700 to 600 or even ,, the main different is main blade cost... anything else is about 10% different in price or so.

jwilkens
03-02-2009, 11:03 PM
I have both the 600 & 700, ad I enjoy both, but I can tell you the 700 makes learning new things easier as it is just that much more solid. I always take both to the fiield and somedays I fly mostly with the 600 and others mostly the 700 just depends on how I feel on the day.

Just some advice: Take lots of time on the sim, perfecting manuevers before trying it with the heli, I fly new manuevers on the sim until I don't have to think about it at all. Then it is a small adjustment getting it down with the real thing.

PS. There is only two kinds of heli pilots: One that has crashed and one that is still going to crash. The key is to try and keep those periods in between as long as possible. :YeaBaby: