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PDC
06-06-2006, 06:55 PM
Another beauty from Heinseleit, 4,3kg in the nitro version, incl blades, and later with an electric module too.....I think Heinseleits designs is in its own class, high class.

So many new "must have" heli´s just around the corner, it is harder and harder to make a choice, maybe the best is just to buy one of each :-).

Delivery time for the XL if one make a reservation now is estimated to be late August, and delivery time for the smaller 3DMP is longer as they use their resources on the XL right now.

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/index2.html#Menue.html|uebersicht.html

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/Bilder/Fotoreihe/MP_XL/gross.JPG

The MP-XL is the successor to the NT, it's a new 91-class model with a rotor diameter of 160 cm.

The basic mechanics and main drive concept is based on the MP because the slanted main gear has proven optimal with regards to efficiency, setup and quiet running.

First the combustion-engined version is produced, due to high demand, but also here (like with the MP-E) an electric module can be fitted later. A special battery sub-module and a motor are being evaluated for this size of helicopter.

I have gathered all positive and negative experience from my 12 years as a helicopter manufacturer, I have also collected wish lists from many pilots and all this has been taken into account when designing the MP-XL.

It has been my intention, independently of any ideological constraints, to combine and optimize every component that has proven itself in the past.

The return to a drive shaft for the tail rotor seemed to me to be inevitable because of the power requirements these days, and the fact that a belt may prove troublesome in this case.

Sadly a belt starts resonating quite frequently and this leads to vibration at certain rpm settings and premature failure.

The drive shaft from the old TD and the Rocket have proven in the past to be almost indestructible and vibration-free at all rpm settings.

The extremely light gear box construction in combination with the already lighter MP tail rotor parts allowed the weight to be reduced so that the all-up weight of the drive shaft system is only marginally heavier than the belt version. The result is that the MP-XL weighs only 4,3 Kg with blades and this is about 100g lighter than the NT in spite of the drive shaft for the tail rotor.

Sadly, the motor position very close to the main shaft necessitated the use of a 350g receiver battery upfront in the nose; without this the MP-XL would be lighter still (about 200g).

The advantage however is that one can use a 3500 mAh NIMH battery, this allows many flights without recharging the receiver battery.

Also the low weight will benefit the E-version because the positioning of the flight pack will allow you to remove the receiver battery and consequently gain 200g.

The receiver battery can now be attached securely upfront to the frame sides and no longer needs to be attached to the cylinder head like on the MP (thus easier mounting when using different engines).

The stable and quick-change front chassis also supports the canopy and protects in case of a crash. All sensitive and expensive electronic components have (as usual in my designs) been integrated at the rear (aft of the main shaft).

Compactness of the main mechanics and short cables are an advantage and even in case of heavy crashes the electronics will escape unscathed (except for broken servo arms).

The desire of many pilots to have a bigger tank to allow even nitro pilots to have 10 mins of flight time has been honored by integrating a 710ccm tank exactly on the center of gravity under the main shaft (this is very important in view of the mass of this amount of fuel).

The canopy is the original NT canopy, just the rear has been opened up to allow pilots to check the fuel level in the tank.

A positive side effect is that the new asymmetric canopy form allows for better view on the position of the helicopter when in flight (a desire for many NT pilots that had difficulty in recognizing the position of the helicopter).

Old NT canopies can be used when the canopy holes are re-drilled slightly (put otherwise: if you have old NT canopies you can re-use them on the MP-XL).

The rotor head has been completely re-worked and optimised to keep the excellent flight characteristics of the MP-head whilst at the same time making the maintenance easier.

The central piece has been designed in such a way so that the flybar is supported axially and radially using only two side mounted guide rails. This way it can now be easily mounted from the side. The whole flybar can be removed by removing one guide rail and one paddle and by turning 90 degrees it can be slid out as a whole.

The whole flybar is no longer one bar but two and these are bolted to the 8mm middle section. This does away with the fiddly removing of the bent flybar after a crash. It often happens that only one side is bent, this can now be quickly replaced, and also the guide rails can be individually replaced in under a minute.

The landing gear spacing has been optimised to allow better, secure stance on uneven terrain.

The exhaust has been designed in such a way so that it starts at the front, is integrated almost entirely in the canopy and is barely visible and still have the required 430mm length for optimal engine performance.

To recap all this:

The MP-XL is a worthy successor to the NT. Lots of parts are compatible to the MP.

Also the smaller v91 version will be adapted to the XL so it will be very easy to convert one to the other in the future.

The E-module to the XL will be ready soon so that the model can be used in a variety of ways and can be fast adapted to customer requirements.

Because of the parts compatibility between the XL and the MP series, replacement parts supply is guaranteed for a long time to come.

Because of the high standard set by the NT many years ago, a quantum leap like with the NT is difficult to achieve but it has been possible to fine tune and hone the flight characteristics to improve the straight-line stability whilst at the same time increasing the agility.

The 8,25:1 gearing, and the improved efficiency of the gears has allowed us to improve engine and autorotation performance.

The whole spectrum, from lazy recreational flying to wild 3D (with or without nitro) is possible without any problems with these mechanics.

The flight characteristics are very sane and because of how it's constructed I expect the allround mechanics (like with its predecessor) to have high robustness and a long service life. This will make sure the helicopter keeps its value for a long time and it ensures a lot of flying fun for a long time to come.

PDC
06-08-2006, 03:40 PM
Just got confirmation from Jan that I will have my E-XL earliest in the end of August, I´m not the only one on that waiting list. :-).

Guess it will be a hot hot heli, might get it´s own chair in the living room to rest on after a hard working day in the field ;-).

Laurens
06-08-2006, 03:47 PM
So he's actually making an Eversion too?

PDC
06-08-2006, 04:05 PM
So he's actually making an Eversion too?

Yes! talked to Jan yesterday, and what he said was that he only needed to make some different side frames and some other few things for the E-version, and that the two versions could be released more or less at the same time.

That said, it is all estimates, know all heli manufacturer are very busy now when people want heli´s at the same time, the sun is shining, spare parts have to be shipped at the same time, they release new models with waiting lists, so they must be extremely busy now I guess....time will show when it will be ready.

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For those of you who understand German.


01.06.2006

Aktuelle Info an alle Henseleit-Helicopters Kunden:

Unsere neue Anschrift lautet:

Jan Henseleit / Ellhöft 9 / 24855 Jübek

Tel.: 01801 5557774561

Fax.: 0721 151213429



Infos zum MP:

Leider ist unsere Kapazität insofern ausgeschöpft, dass wir zur Zeit keine MP-Bausätze ausliefern können.



Auslieferungsbeginn der neuen Serie des MP-XL hat sich auf Ende Juli verschoben, da ich noch einige grundlegende Änderungen die mir sinnvoll erschienen, vorgenommen habe.

Um eine gerechte Auslieferungsreihenfolge zu gewährleisten, lege ich wie üblich wieder eine Reservierungsliste an, in die alle Leute eingetragen werden, die Interesse an einem Modell haben. Es reicht eine kurze unverbindliche E-mail mit Namen, Adresse und Telefonnummer sowie der gewünschte Modelltyp.





Für Probeflüge mit dem MP können Sie sich an die Flugschule Bernd Pöting wenden, der diese Hubschrauber ständig in seiner Flugschule in Freudenberg einsetzt (02734 40833).



Jan Henseleit

Garland
06-08-2006, 11:50 PM
is this 90 still married to the volz servos like the MP 50 is?

PDC
06-09-2006, 01:57 AM
No, normal equipment.

Agree that the 3DMP is somewhat limited in the choice of servo´s gyro, guess it is designed like that to make a design concept heli where everything is optimized in weight.....but from what I heard and have seen, the Volz servo´s are doing a good job, and the 401/volz should work ok even that I had preferred a 601/611.

Still I think the 3DMP is such an outstanding design that I will have such one as well, but have to wait until the end of the year before it can be delivered again.

It is my impression that Jan makes a batch of heli´s, and when they are sold out quickly, we have to wait until the next batch is produced. At least I think that was the case with the 3DMP this winter.

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/Bilder/Fotoreihe/MP_XL/MP_XL_rk2g.JPG

Laurens
06-09-2006, 07:59 AM
How much for the kit?

PDC
06-09-2006, 08:31 AM
There are some prices on his homepage, not sure if there is a price for the E-XL yet, maybe, who will find the price first ;-). As I remember the 3DMP is around 835 Euro, guess one can add a little for the XL.

Not bad for at quality heli like this, so beautiful fabricated that it can have it´s own place in the living room ;-).

Motions
06-09-2006, 08:56 AM
The geared tail turned me off completely.

DebianDog
06-09-2006, 09:16 AM
More pics and information please.

Laurens
06-09-2006, 04:47 PM
1160 for the glow kit. Not bad.

Scott, a torque tube driven tail is better then belt driven on 90 size heli's.

PDC
06-09-2006, 05:05 PM
What is wrong with the geared tail? Henseleit makes everything simple, simple is usual = best and lightest. Actual I think light, and simple is what Henseleit is famous for.

Simple is beautiful, not big :-)

Yes! torque tube is the best for the tail on big heli´s

Follow the link and you will find some more pics.

My guess will be that 1160 would be a good guess for the E-version too.

Have a look how the mass is concentrated around the main shaft, with a long arm so the receiver battery can balance the heli. Simple tail = light tail = more mass around the main shaft. Looks like a brilliant design to me, again. :-)

I just wonder why he haven't saved the weight of the horizontal tail fin too, maybe it needs that one to sell the heli :-), we are use to fly around with this drag and dead weight.



http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/Bilder/Fotoreihe/MP_XL/MP_XL_vvg.JPG

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/Bilder/Fotoreihe/MP_XL/MP_XL_vrog.JPG

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/Bilder/Fotoreihe/MP_XL/MP_XL_rkg.JPG

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/Bilder/Fotoreihe/MP_XL/MP_XL_rk3g.JPG

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/Bilder/Fotoreihe/MP_XL/MP_XL_hgg.JPG

Motions
06-09-2006, 05:19 PM
It's personal preference I guess. I just don't like the gears because of wear and stripping. I've never had a gear tail drive on a nitro heli so my opinion is completely unfounded.

Laurens
06-09-2006, 05:25 PM
Do a search for slipping tailbelts. I heard the Vigor std had problems with this. Also the 3DNT has problems with vibrations on certain rpms because of the belt. Only a small number of people have this problem though.

PDC
06-09-2006, 05:30 PM
Hi Motions!

Have a look at this video of an open tail gearbox....looks strong to me :-). ok, its not the same gearbox, I know....but my guess is that Henseleit doesn't send a tail gearbox on the market that cant handle the airborne forces, and if the tail goes into the ground, something might have to break, so why not a cheap and easy changed part ?

Also this gearbox have less resistance, keeping the amp flow down and helping in auto´s

No doubt in my mind that an open tail gearbox is the best solution on the market right now.

http://www.miniatureaircraftusa.com/helicopterkits/featured_products/open_tr_transmission.asp

I will be able to tell you later this year if it is a good tail gearbox, if you can wait for that :-)

BobbySmith
06-16-2006, 08:38 PM
Man that is one beautifull machine so when is he going to have a E version?
PDC tell him to set it up for 12s

PDC
06-17-2006, 02:10 AM
Hi Bobby!

It´s like Heinseleit makes a great efford to design he´s heli´s so that they are light, beautiful, simple and at the same time with the weight distributed in the best possible way.

Already told him that we need a gearing so we can get the Actro 32-3 MAX motor up spinning for some insane power, so hope there will be a gearing available close to 12:1.

It will be released more or less at the same time as the Nitro version, so I was told that I can expect mine E-version late August. But fear a slight delay, time will show.

If you want one Bobby, I think it is a good idea to reserve one as early as possible....look at the 3DMP, sold out for maybe the rest of 2006, I was just a little too late to place an order on that machine, and now I have to wait until next season to fly it.