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maac16324
06-13-2004, 01:59 PM
I will start out by saying that I am nobody's rep and none of you will stop what you are doing to watch while I fly. I guess you could say that after three years of flying helis I am a competent sport pilot. Business has been good enough to me (I retired 9 years ago) that I can pretty much fly what I want so cost really wasn't a consideration.

I now have 30 flights on my ION and thought that I would share the experience with the forum. I bought the ION because I have grown sensitive to the smoke from my nitro helis particularly when hovering around or doing close in maneuvers. I also felt that it might be more acceptable to the fixed wing crowd in our club.

Construction really wasn't an issue although I have built a few X-Cells and they are very similar. After printing the manual and installing the pages in a binder it took me about a week to build my ION. Everything from the auto-rotation clutch up to the main blades and the tail boom /rotor assembly are stock X-Cell. I set the head up with 1.5mm of shims and a standard and two dot (very stiff) set of "O" rings. I find the MA white paddles a little pitchy so initially used Pro II paddles at 36 gms. The design of the carbon mainframes and equipment are IMHO a stunning success. Build one and you will see what I mean. I am constantly amazed at the technological progress that the MA team brings forth with each generation of helis. I know how tough it is to do in a big company with lots of resources but Tim and his gang continue to hit home runs. For the rest of the equipment I used 9252's on cyclic/collective and a 601/9251 for the gyro. I bought a Duralite 2000 mAh pack for the receiver and flight pack. SAB 680's and an "Alien" painted canopy finished off the ION. For main power packs used MA's 7600 mAh 5S4P packs.

First lift off was absolutely perfect. No trim and the blades tracked perfectly. I hovered it around for a couple of minutes and then set it down and checked it over. I started to spool it up and blipped the throttle three times getting ready for lift off. That was mistake #1. In blipping the throttle I cleaned off three batches of teeth from the 52 tooth secondary gear. Good thing though because I also had a problem with the tail rotor that I had missed that needed fixing. The next morning I called Chris at MA, explained my stupidity and asked for a replacement. I had the replacement (plus a couple of spares) in my hands 27 hours later. That icluded shipping by MA from Florida to British Columbia, the UPS guy and clearing Canadian Customs. I can't get delivery on a local letter in under a week. Kudos to MA.

The next 26 flights were absolutely wonderful. The heli is sooooo smooth. No trim change during each flight is very pleasant. The ION sounds more like a turbine than a turbine does - all I need to add is the kerosene smell. It does every aerobatic maneuver at least as well as the YS80 powered nitro Extreme that I have been flying. For some reason I can hit nose down funnels with the ION much more easily that I can with my Extreme. It has no problem with Tic Tocs but I'm not really good at them. It is wonderful if you have limitied time at the field. You can literally walk out with your ION, frequency tag and TX and fly. It has been flown by a few of my pals including a Century rep and the lone? Canadian MA rep Kevin Forsyth. Kevin had a big grin on his face and Greg (the Century rep) flew it pretty much the way he flew his Carbon Predator with lots of aggressive 3D. With the stock 52 tooth secondary gear I was getting 1850 to 1950 rpm head speed. The manual strongly recommends against aborting an auto with the ION. This really isn't an issue and I am back to doing my 180 autos as a relaxing way to end a flight. As predicted flight times and battery performance has improved steadily. Yesterday I did a 16:30 min fligth and used 6370 mAh out of my 7600 mAh packs. On flight 27 I did take out my second 52 tooth secondary gear and replaced it with a 55 tooth gear so this might have something to do with the improved flight times. The 55 tooth gear reduces head speeds to 1750 to 1850 rpm. My throttle curve is straight line 100% power in IU #2 with +/- 9.5 degrees of pitch range. No smoke is great and at least up til now it is acceptable to the fixed wing crowd at the field. For my next ION I will go with 5S3P packs. This will cost less, save a lot of weight and still give me lots of flight time.

The down side has to be cost. The cost of the ION kit is comparable or a little less than the same equipment in my Tempest. The up front cost of batteries and charges make the entry cost a little high. At $700 USD for a pair of 5S4P batteries you are carrying a years worth of fuel with you every time you fly. I don't like charging at the field so I have three sets of packs that I carry around in a little Sentry 1100 fire safe from Walmart. That gives me as much flying as I want to do in a session and if I wanted more I could alway fire up my Extreme. Charging means a pair of Li-Poly chargers. I went with the Orbit Pro's because they will charge 5S Li-Poly's at 8 amps. I added a Pyramid 52 amp power supply for charging at home. It works great but is far too heavy to travel with. After draining my deep discharge marine battery in 1 1/2 charges at the Chiliwack electric fly-in I bought a pair of Samlex 1223 power supplies (23 amps, 3.5 lbs each) and a little Honda 1000W generatorfor travelling.

Am I happy with my ION ... you bet I am and I'm building my second. More than that I'm really turned on to the Li Poly, brushless world. I'm moving big time to electric fixed wing to amortize my up front costs. Cost is an issue but it is still one heck of a lot cheaper that my friends golf addiction or what my sailboat used to cost me.

Thatzall!

WillJames
06-13-2004, 02:17 PM
Thanks for sharing your Ion experience Brian. It was very interesting indeed.

Thank you!!

Russ McC
06-13-2004, 05:17 PM
Hi Brian,

Good to hear such a positive report from a straight up customer. Have you started that glow machine yet after beginning to fly the Ion? I thought I would be flying a mix of glow and electric, but by the time it was the glow machines turn I just had no interest in even entertaining the idea of flying it, so I bought the second Ion and the glow stuff is all sitting on the relic table, I think I will convert my new Tempest 3D and my new Extreme to Ions when the conversion kit becomes available.

I am lazy at the field and don’t like spending time between flights fussing with changing batteries or removing them from the model for charging, I prefer to spend that time visiting with friends or helping out where I can. I have taken a different approach to charging then might be recommended. My chargers have not made any mistakes in over 130 charges so I have been charging the packs on the models for a wile now. I take to Ions to the field each equipped with there own set of batteries, I fly one then put it on the chargers, then I can fly the second one 30 minuets latter and so on. This gives me moor flying then I can handle with no fuss. It has been in the 60s and 70s hear and the batteries require no cool down just hook them on the chargers and go. The Brooks FF is this weekend and it is forecast to be 90 degrees so I might be running the fan up the back of the canopies for a few minuets to cool things down before charging. Has any body been doing much flying in 90 degree weather with the Ion? How has it been doing?

I like spending money on cool accessories that make life moor fun at the field and the Honda EU100i is one of the coolest accessories I have ever bought, I like being fully self sufficient and the Honda makes it easy :)

maac16324
06-14-2004, 01:54 AM
Russ:

I haven't turned over any of my nitro machines since starting to fly the ION. The simple fact is that the ION offers at least equivalent performance to my nitro machines plus a lot of benefits. One interesting aspect is that I really wasn't comfortable running my nitro X-Cells at really high head speeds. With the ION 1850 to 1950 rpm heads speeds are really not an issue. Don't know why. I have no interest in flying my nitro machines and have started selling off my fleet.

The other point that I didn't touch on is that I think that the ION will really excell in pattern and FAI maneuvers. Even at high head speeds it is very stable in hover and absolutely rips upstairs. I am a battery swapper but I can see your point about running two packs only and charging between flights. What do you think about running the 5S3P packs? I am really only able to fly 6 to 8 minutes hard (for me) then I generally do a bunch of close in flying and autos to finish off the flight. I really don't need to fly for 14 to 16 minutes a flight and I think that the light weight less cost 3P's would really fill the bill. I know that the hard core 3D ers might need the capacity but I can't help but think of JK's comments at last years school in Vancouver "if you are flying more than 8 minutes you aren't pushing yourself hard enough".

I agree that the little Honda genny is a cool plus product. The added benefit is that I could drag it out and hook it up to my Dynatron to start my YS 91 powered nitro machine. If that doesn't cook your brain I don't know what would.

I have flown a lot of fixed wing pattern over the years and I can't wait to put an electric powered 2 meter fixed wing into the air. Spreads the cost although come to think of it I haven't flown much pattern since I took up helis. BTW I love your flying style and look forward to seeing you fly your ION at the Vancouver event this year.

Brian

WillJames
06-14-2004, 06:44 AM
I agree that the little Honda genny is a cool plus product. The added benefit is that I could drag it out and hook it up to my Dynatron to start my YS 91 powered nitro machine. If that doesn't cook your brain I don't know what would.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one. I have spent enough on starters in the last year to pay for a set of 5S3P Packs trying to start my YS-80 and now my C-SPEC PS's. This latest Dynatron and the G-10 battery holders and 2400mah 7 Cell NiCd Packs hopefully will work. Another 200.00+ spent on starters...

I have to admit that all the charging, temperaturing taking and timing are a little daunting for us Nitro guys it seems, but seeing Shannon and H to the C flying his Ion last night makes me even more tempted. Sooo Awesome!! Look for some footage today some time of last nights flights. :)

Thanks again for sharing your Ion-X experiences Brian. Anyone who has not seen one should by all means try harder to witness at least a flight.

I heard Shannon made an announcement at Maryland that any competent pilot could fly his, and a lot of people took him up on it, so if you want to try one, go to a FF near you everybody, and look for the MA Reps!! :)

Russ McC
06-14-2004, 10:32 AM
Brian,

I have not tried the 5S 3P packs, when I got started with this I pressed Tim by asking him which packs had the best performance, the packs that made the model perform the best. Tim gave the 7600 5S 4P the nod on both all out performance as well as duration. I generally fly eight to ten minuets and ten minuets generally takes about 6000 mah so I think the 5S 3P would be a little short for me. If you’re only using 6000 or so in sixteen minuets then the smaller packs might be great. I would also have trouble flying the smaller packs if I had any assuming my bigger packs gave better performance, this would possibly result in the small packs never getting used. I bet if you try the 5S 3P and you don’t like them as much as the 4P, TP would probably make them in to 4Ps for you at a reasonable cost :)

B@@MER
06-15-2004, 01:16 AM
geez i wish mine would show up, hmm Brian has two now...........
it was a treat to fly and got me some new wood for the wall at the Naniamo event a 3rd in freestyle on the loaner ion with abt 5 flights under my belt..THANKS BRIAN AGAIN......

Kevin

maac16324
06-15-2004, 02:25 AM
If yours isn't ready you will get lots of chance to fly mine at the Mission fly at the beginning of July. Now that I'm set up with my portable charging system it should be fly til we die!!!!!!

Brian

B@@MER
06-15-2004, 10:27 PM
she showed today so its time for the wife to get building

Kevin