to governor or not to governor, that is the question?

[Curtis Burns]

Hello:

I have a 50 v2 / OS 50SX-H ringed / 9CPH. I've never flown anything but a GWS Feda and the G2 sim. I plan on 3D someday with it. Is a governor really necessary?

Curt

[Greg McFadden]

my suggestion would be to learn to setup the heli and fly it without one, for the experience. Then you can decide whether you need a governor later based on your experiences. (that and it will save you the $$ on new governors as you progress towards 3D through the almost inevitable crashes).

[Matthew]

I have to double what Greg is saying. Allot of new pilot go out and buy stuff they really don't need. Buy fuel and learn the stuff with out a governor. Curtis and the crew used to do allot of things with out a Gov. So you now it can be done.

[Obsessive]

I disagree. The "novice" needs all the help he can get, and wrestling with throttle curves and needles while simultaneously trying to work on orientations is exceedingly demanding.

Simple truth is getting a governor lets you concentrate on learning to fly, rather than fiddling. It does not solve a problem with not knowing how to tune an engine.

They are pretty darn cheap now, too. So I say go for it. Your flying will improve because the headspeed will be taken care of for you.

[Greg McFadden]

just a question. do you have anyone to help you set this helicopter up locally? The reason I ask is that setting up either a throttle curve or a governor can be a royal pain in the butt the first time, and whichever one you decide to go with you will probably want to seek some help setting it up the first time. (just make sure you learn how to set your heli up, don't let someone else do it for you)

[Spitfire_mk5]

Set it up without the governor first, once you get to the stage when you can tell, inflight, that you need the governor get one, but you can get along way without it and you'll be better off in the long run.

[Curtis Burns]

I have the 50 v2 heli and OS 50 and I'm waiting on my 9CHP / 401 w/9254 / (4) S 9252 and a GY-1 Gyro to arrive (waiting sucks but it gives me more time on the RF G2 I guess).

I have a couple of friends within an hours drive but their almost newbies too. One of these guys turned me on to this site and is a member here also. I told him I ordered a GY-1 and he said I don't need it. Too late now, it's on it's way. I'm not saying I don't trust his opinion, I just want to get all the information I can.

Another one of my friends owns a small heli school: www.valleyhelicopterservices.com We've been discussing heli flight theory. I've been flying fixed wing for 18 years and I also own two real planes (Piper PA-17 Vagabond and a Aeronica 7-AC Champ) so normally I can figure things out. I just want the learning curve to be as cheap as possible. My real interest is in gassers, so I bought the TT50v2 to learn on.

Curt

[Dan Lewis]

Curt, I also have a 50v2 but with no governor. I fly hard 3D with it often. My NIB GV-1 is sitting on the shelf. I've had it for almost 8 months and haven't installed it because the effort/time-to-install vs. benefit equation just didn't add up. My desire to fly has kept me away from the bench and upgrades.

I originally bought it for the same reasons as you and I now feel it was a mistake. The setup of the governor just adds one more layer of complexity to the basic throttle curve setup. A larger machine may benefit from a governor more, and I plan to use it eventually in my Fury.

The model in my radio is completely linear (even though I have a boat load of points to move around) matching the mechanically linear setup. This works.

You have to have a good mechanical setup before installing your governor. If not, the governor won't work properly - it says so right in the manual. Therefore, the bottom line is that convenience should not be the objective of getting a governor (it's more work, not less). However, a governor will make a good setup even better. So, you should use it to improve performance of an already excellently performing machine.

I'm sure you'll do what you feel comfortable with and think is best, taking everyone's advice with a grain of salt. That's what's important. If we did what everyone told us all the time then where would the fun be in that? :)

[Laurens]

My view on this is:

Why do you need a toy heli of a few hundred dollars anyway :wink: . Just buy what you want to have on your heli, its a nice thing to have. If you spend hundreds of dollars on a heli then a governer won't really make a difference.

But I would set up throttle curves anyway, what if the governor fails, then you crash because of the headspeed. If the governor fails with a throttle curve set you can still make a landing.

[Curtis Burns]

I called the nearest hobby shop (70 miles away) and ask if they knew anyone that could help me learn how to set my heli up and they said that there is a club close to them that is mostly helis and I should go there.

I just hate to show up not knowing anyone with well over 1K worth of new stuff.

Anyone here know anyone at the East Ridge Club in TN?

This is kind of funny, I've been teaching people how to fly fixed wings for years, It's weird being on the other side again.

Curt

[bighands3d]

There should be some guys up there that can help you. we were just there for a FF last month if you had it then you should have brought it. there was LOTS of help avalible to you that weekend. The Xtreme 3D flight school was there also they had a heli clinic all weekend. I was not to miss event this year.

I would recomend getting help from someone who can help you set it up without a GV-1 this will make things easier later on with your next heli if continue to pursue this hobby. Will give you great knowledge of Radio set and engine speed. It's like flying a real one you listen to everything happening while flying you plane if you dive with you plane you can here engine speed up and same with climbing engine slows. Helis are the same but you can ajust throttle curves to make this stay the same speed or close to the same speed.

[Dan Lewis]

Curt, there is a pilot locator here: http://www.pilotlocator.net/state.php?state=TN

Add yourself while you're there...

I sent a PM to someone I know at East Ridge who I'm sure will get in touch with you soon.

[charles]

Curtis,

I am the club president at the East Ridge Club, and also a heli flyer. I would be more than happy to give you a hand. Feel free to call me on my cell at 423-227-6725.

BTW----you have got to love the local hobby shop owner,,,,by having 10 guys out of 60 members "we are mostly helis".... I love the math around here... :lol:

Charles Anderson

[Dan Lewis]

wow, you're quick Charles :) ... a real helifreak :)

[Sar]

Either method works, one thing you'll notice if you wait though. Once you get a gov set up on your heli, the first thing you'll probably say is "I wish I had one of these all along, it would have made flying so much smoother". :D

[Dan Lewis]

I cracked a frame the other day so... this thread has sort of inspired me to dust off the governor box sitting on the shelf and install it...

Installation is going very slowly. I had to drill the mounting bracket to get it to fit on my .50. I didn't have the proper metal cutting tool apparently as my dremel worked it's heart out to get through those 2mm or so of steel. Now I'm missing the mount screws - hopefully home depot has something that will work. I drilled a couple of tiny holes in the fan so that the epoxy will have a way out when I seat the magnets in the pre molded dimples.

:?:
I'm still not sure which way the magnets are supposed to go. I don't want to put them in wrong because changing that later would be...:shock: difficult. The directions seem to indicate that only one is needed and the other is for counter balance.... hmmm balance - I hope that won't be an issue. I certainly don't have any equipment to balance a silly fan :)

Now I know why I never got around to installing it. Well, I'm knee deep now... I got to finish what I started :mrgreen:

[WillJames]

Hook up the GV-1 to your RX, plug the sensor into the GV 1. Go to the sensativity screen and hold the magnet at the sensor. Then mark the magnet with a sharpie. This is how Shannon showed me to do it and it works great. Also when you install the magnet and sensor use the same technique to test it before you mount the engine back into the heli.

HTH,

[Matthew]

It is simple to balance the fan. Mount it on a shaft and put it between two glasses on the rim. If there is a heaver point it will go to the bottom. make sure that the fan is located true on the shaft though.

[Dan Lewis]

Well, home depot's #4 machine screws weren't small enough to replace the originals I apparently lost. Serve's me right for not doing something with it months ago. Anyway, does anyone know the correct size so that I can order them from microfasteners.com? The instructions don't indicate the size, only a picture (which is apparently not accurate enough).

Matthew, where do you get a shaft for balancing?

[WillJames]

I use my HighPoint to balance but shannons way points out that my highpoint is not all that accurate. MA sells the parts Shannon uses and used on my R90 TT Metal fan. I will get the part numbers from him.

Are you talking about the screws and nuts that hold the GV-1 sensor to the GV-1 bracket that goes on your motor mount? I can cehck them with my calipers.

I like the governors to control overspeed in descents. You have to be careful with Raptors and not let that headspeed get up to high or they tend to explode. ;)

[Matthew]

I use a high point also with a dial indicator to get it running true on the high point first then I balance it. If MA has something that would take out the dial indicator to balance that would be sweet.

[Dan Lewis]

Yes, those are the ones Will. I looked on futabarc and couldn't find the sizes. Thanks for your help :cool:

[Dan Lewis]

After multiple attempts to get the sensor in without it touching the frame - to avoid vibration - I have my governor installed nice a pretty. Now it's time to get it configured with an on/off and speed setting in my 9Z. I sure hope it's worth it :) - I'm real anxious to see how well it does.

[Dan Lewis]

I got a radio setup from a friend and maybe I can get it working today! When I'm done I'll have a gov kill switch, throttle hold override and two or three rpm settings tied to each flight mode (normal, idle1, idle2).

[Busta Rapta]

I just installed a TJ Pro on my Raptor 50 V2. What a breeze! The fan even had the magnet holders already!!!

I've heard a theory that the reason there are so many bearing failures on the OS50 is because of overrevving. The governor will prevent this.

You should definitely have a solid, working thottle curve first.

Go for it! And don't be afraid of the TJ Pro. If you follow the instructions to the letter, it is a BREEZE!

Glenn.