New Castle Software

[Jamesppp]

The set RPM Gov mode is working great for me using the new Castle Link software. Instead of only working well if you choose 2 different headspeeds, It is holding constant on either of the 3 chosen speeds.

Idle 1 headspeed was the same from initial hover measurement to the one at 4.5 minutes.
Instead of using the default Gov Gain of 7 in ver.2, Im using the defaukt of 15 in the new version.

Instead of selecting a PWM rate of 8, you can select "Outrunner" mode to deal with the sensorless variable timing...or something like that:roll:...This mode doesnt work on all ESC models.

Ive set up 2 helis with it and so far it is really good..No tail movements that are not input on the stick..at all.

As soon as I get a couple of projects off of my bench Ill get some data logged.

:cheersJimmy:cheers

[Scotty T]

Which verions you talking about and when was the release?

[aliboy]

The new Castlelink software is V3.130, the new ESC firmware installs automatically if you go to 'software' tab and click the check for update box. I think it was released last week.

Al.

[Scotty T]

New castle, hmmmm, it's my bday tomorrow, I'm going to have quite a few New Castles ;-)

Cool, I'm going to upgrade tomorrow and fly since I'm taking my bday off :-) Then i'll hit the New Castles. No flying and drinking, that's bad.

[Jamesppp]

Im taking the day off too..and it it isnt even my birthday for 3 weeks yet. Im charging packs right now...

[aliboy]

I've got the day off too, but its 20mph wind and rain - so its definitely drinking for me:cheers

[trextuning]

tried the new s/w today, I think the default governor setting is a bit lazy, may need to up it a bit as I can hear it messing about at hard pitch stops, seems slow to recover when you bog it hard.

[Scotty T]

tried the new s/w today, I think the default governor setting is a bit lazy, may need to up it a bit as I can hear it messing about at hard pitch stops, seems slow to recover when you bog it hard.

But how is it with normal flight and light 3D?

I'm practicing to be really good at collective management these days. I can easily be a stick banger but I'm trying to really dail in on the collective.

Would the governer be good then?

I'm torn between the castle and the hobbywing.

[rceccleston]

Many would recommend the Castle Creations over the Hobbywing.

The lastest firmware is a big improvement over the previous, highly recommended.

The governor is a little mushy on low but mid works well. Not tried high as it maybe a little too aggressive.

[trextuning]

early days for me as there are a lot of options in the Castle to play with but on the Castle defaults comparing the two the HobbyWing governor works better. That doesn't mean the Castle won't be as good, I need to do a fair bit of playing to find what works. As said above it's a bit mushy on default settings, this means it's not holding that great and it's causing the tail to kick a bit on hard stops while the governor tries (badly) to catch up.

A lot more playing with the config required.

[Al Austria]

I prefer Governor High over Set RPM as you can tweak your headspeed from your transmitter. Haven't tried the V3.13 software, but V3.12 had worked well for me on my 550. No weird tail movements and the loaded RPM change is no more than expected from a 6S setup, and it recovers quickly. Just gear your machine 300 RPM higher than your target headspeed assuming 100% throttle. Idle up throttle points should land between 50-60%. Here is my CC110/Neu setup pulling around my 550. Other than setting the governor gain to high(21) and current sensing to insensitive, no other parameters were changed.

Outrage 550 Neu Motor on Vimeo

[rceccleston]

early days for me as there are a lot of options in the Castle to play with but on the Castle defaults comparing the two the HobbyWing governor works better. That doesn't mean the Castle won't be as good, I need to do a fair bit of playing to find what works. As said above it's a bit mushy on default settings, this means it's not holding that great and it's causing the tail to kick a bit on hard stops while the governor tries (badly) to catch up.

A lot more playing with the config required.
What motor are you running?

Scorpion recommend 8Khz and advanced time of 5-10.

Good luck!!

[Jamesppp]

Ive only used "set rpm" mode with the new software with the Gov Gain at 15, chose a cutoff voltage that is very low(18v) and plugged in the number. All three headspeeds chosen hold well and it doesnt seem to lag at all(Sport flying)

spool up rate 5, head speed change rate is 5.. Im headed back out to try it again.:)

[trextuning]

mines set correct for a Scorpion. The problem I'm sure is the governor gain, 15 (the default) is just too soft. Something I've not considered is that it might be running 12S is causing problems, I know in the past the Castle ESC have not been that good on 12S. Hopefully just a gain issue.

[Jamesppp]

Well I finally broke a part on my Outrage. Using the 'set RPM" mode, for some reason I decided to try setting the 1st point on the throttle curve to 0. Thought it help me keep from starting my timer early because of centering the stick when flipping throttle hold..

I started out by flipping out of throttle hold with the stick down,., all seemed fine till I started pushing the stick up slowly...nothing happened .at first Somehow this must have diabled the soft start. just as the rotor started to move the motor spun hard and stripped groups of teeth off the delrin gear all the way around:YeaBaby:

So, Im sitting here with several hot packs and the need to install a new main gear.Ididnt take one to the field of course...I have 1 delrin spare and a pack of the molded ones that I just got in this week...Im probably going to try a molded one.

[rceccleston]

mines set correct for a Scorpion. The problem I'm sure is the governor gain, 15 (the default) is just too soft. Something I've not considered is that it might be running 12S is causing problems, I know in the past the Castle ESC have not been that good on 12S. Hopefully just a gain issue.
I found the default gain value too mushy and slow respond to load.

Once increased to mid, there are no issues on 12s.

[flag8r77]

2 questions....

*Just updated to the newest software. I'm using fixed endpoints, looks like all settings carried over. Do I need to go through basic setup again and set my endpoints again?



*Can someone tell me the advantage to running gov. mode over fixed endpoints? I've tached my heli at 2400 HS and it runs like a charm at the flat throttle curve I'm running. Because it's electric I would imagine that either with fixed endpoints or with Gov. modes towards the end of the flight you're HS will drop. Am I wrong?

[rceccleston]

2 questions....

*Just updated to the newest software. I'm using fixed endpoints, looks like all settings carried over. Do I need to go through basic setup again and set my endpoints again?

You should not have to re-setup your throttle endpoints.

*Can someone tell me the advantage to running gov. mode over fixed endpoints? I've tached my heli at 2400 HS and it runs like a charm at the flat throttle curve I'm running. Because it's electric I would imagine that either with fixed endpoints or with Gov. modes towards the end of the flight you're HS will drop. Am I wrong?

The main advantage of using governor is that the esc will automatically try to keep the same head speed with and without load were as the head speed is not regulated with fixed endpoints. Because the head speed stays the same, the response should feel the same through out the flight.

For many, once they have tried a governed head speed, there is no going back to fixed endpoints.

Good luck!!

[rceccleston]

2 questions....

*Just updated to the newest software. I'm using fixed endpoints, looks like all settings carried over. Do I need to go through basic setup again and set my endpoints again?



*Can someone tell me the advantage to running gov. mode over fixed endpoints? I've tached my heli at 2400 HS and it runs like a charm at the flat throttle curve I'm running. Because it's electric I would imagine that either with fixed endpoints or with Gov. modes towards the end of the flight you're HS will drop. Am I wrong?
Forgot to mention, with fixed endpoints, your tached head speed will change with and with out load as the head speed is not regulating/governored by the esc.

[flag8r77]

Forgot to mention, with fixed endpoints, your tached head speed will change with and with out load as the head speed is not regulating/governored by the esc.

I would be very interested to find out just how much...at my skill level, I sure can't tell a difference in HS changes during mild 3D, tic tocs, etc.

Maybe I'll give it a go, had issues with the last version, couldn't get the tail to stop moving.

[rceccleston]

I would be very interested to find out just how much...at my skill level, I sure can't tell a difference in HS changes during mild 3D, tic tocs, etc.

Maybe I'll give it a go, had issues with the last version, couldn't get the tail to stop moving.

With the last version, I found setting the PWR rate to 8Khz and a custom gain value of 4 resolved most of the tail wag issue.

However, the new version has been re-written to stop the pulsing action of the tail. I'm still running at 8Khz, as recommended by Scorpion, but my gain is at mid rather than the default low.

Good luck!!

[Mecos]

rceccleston,

Is this PWR for the Scorpion Motor? (8)

If so, what should the NEU 1907H/1Y be at?

I was originally on 12 PWR (default) with both motors. One day I got a weird response from the heli. I put a fresh pack ( flight #3 of the day) I took off and the Heli just bogged right down. I landed checked the pack, was full, and tried again. It was fine that time.

Then I started reading about the 8 setting for scorpion and even though I had the NEU onboard the heli I figured that was where it should be. Well shortly after that I got a second bog, right from lift off like before. I ventured forward a little and the power loss or bog got worse. I tried to give a little more lift and the motor shot up to full upper rev and tore apart the main gear. Very loud when that goes.

I managed an Auto and saved the Heli. Switched out the gear and adjusted the ESC to 12 PWR thinking that was the reason for it.

I did notice the motor ran hotter at 8 PWR.

Should I try a Higher setting than 12 for the NEU?

CC Phx 125 (3.13 and latest firm now in)
NEU 1907H/1Y
6S 5000 mAh

[flag8r77]

Save yourself a sh*t load of trouble and headache and use fixed endpoints. Take it outside and check the headspeed until you get what you want. Make a straight line throttle curve at that point. Voila.

[Jamesppp]

Mecos,
ask Castle about the PWM rate for your motor. I like the Outrunner mode PWM setting on my Scorpion motors but my Outrage has a Pheonix 125 and the mode doesnt work on non HV ESC's. Your Neu motor might like something way different than an outrunner,

Go to to the Vendor thread on RC Groups and post the question on the Castle thread or email them directly. Since the distribute the Neu, they should know what to set the ESC on.

I have the Set RPM gov mode working great on both my Outrage and E-620. Im initially setting up my Logo 500 with a Jazz 55 controller with a big heat sink but will probably have to put my spare CC HV 85 on it. Hopefully set rpm mode will work fine on it also

[Mecos]

That’s the thing flag.. I do fly using fixed end points. That’s what was weird about the whole power loss thing.

I was hopping that someone with a NEU motor, knew what the manufacture recommended PWR rating "should" be set at.

:confused:

Ok James will give it a try.