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Hulley
07-08-2004, 09:00 PM
hey guys, I'm looking to get an EVO 50 and would prefer the swm set up. anybody got one? please tell me what you think.

thanks
Hully

Kinger
07-08-2004, 09:40 PM
No CCPM here, but the standard mix option sure works well.

mainblades
07-14-2004, 01:28 PM
I have one, and I 've set up both an HPM and SWM. I prefer the SWM.

Hulley
07-17-2004, 09:12 PM
where can I buy the swm in the usa? cyberheli has them but ehy are $420 plus $80 for s&h.

mainblades
07-17-2004, 09:29 PM
Give Jeff Green a call. He can hook you up.

the collective
07-18-2004, 12:36 AM
Mine is the HPM version, if was buying another I'd definitely try the SWM version.

hsb
08-09-2004, 06:56 AM
I have the SWM and would buy the HPM or a Raptor if I could do it again.

Scotty
10-25-2004, 09:26 PM
Hey Hully
I did the ccpm mod on my evo this summer. It is fantastic... Way more collective snap. I found that the collective is also smoother... Mine doesn't appear to have any interaction at all. I am using jr 8311 servos, OS 50 hyper with the quite mp2.and cp 30. I tried the new hatori 50 size pipe and it doesn't make as much power as the mp2. Also I run a gv 1 and set the head speed at 2000 rpm....Way too much fun! I called Jeff Green and ordered it directly from him. The only complaint I have is that the conversion didn't come with instructions. A guy named mr noodles on runryder had the manual scanned into his web site witch I downloaded and used that. The ccpm mod is very neet and tidy and certainly looks like it belongs...Typical Hirobo stuff. I am completely sold on the mod and if I build another I won't hesitate to do the ccpm again.
Hope this helps
Scott :glasses2:

the collective
10-26-2004, 03:01 AM
My CCPM conversion set should be here this week. I'm hoping to get it together before the weather gives out completely.

Kinger
10-26-2004, 11:10 AM
I've seen two CCPM Evo's fly and they are certainly impressive when it comes to collective response. Both pilots also did not report any interactions present at the swash.

angelob
11-23-2004, 08:26 AM
Anyone have a part number for the eCCPM conversion set?

Thanks,
Angelo

rob_jones
11-23-2004, 09:03 AM
Is this what you guys are talking about?

http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=heli&Product_Code=412231

If so, it's only $80 from Rick's. Or am I missing something?

Lee Taylor
11-23-2004, 11:13 AM
Bimmer, that looks like it to me also.

I was toying with the idea of doing the CCPM mod myself, but this bird flies exceptionally well without it. Right now I'm running 9252's on cyclic, a 9250 on collective, and my EVO handles nicely. And actually, it's probably a little faster on collective than a CCPM set up would be with 9252's, isn't it? I think the speed on the 9250 is .11ms/60*...which is a hair faster than 9252's. And torque is definitely not an issue becaue I think it's somewhere in the 70 oz/in. range...I guess I'm just trying to find a reason to not throw $80 into something that may be of no real benefit. If anyone can convince me otherwise...I might try it. It's hard though, when there's a possibility of losing some collective 'snap'. Arguments :?:

Lee Taylor
11-23-2004, 11:14 AM
Bimmer, that looks like it to me also.

I was toying with the idea of doing the CCPM mod myself, but this bird flies exceptionally well without it. Right now I'm running 9252's on cyclic, a 9250 on collective, and my EVO handles nicely. And actually, it's probably a little faster on collective than a CCPM set up would be with 9252's, isn't it? I think the speed on the 9250 is .11ms/60*...which a hair faster than 9252's. And torque is definitely not an issue becaue I think it's somewhere in the 70 oz/in. range...I guess I'm just trying to find a reason to not throw $80 into something that may be of no real benefit. If anyone can convince me otherwise...I might try it. It's hard though, when there's a possibility of losing some collective 'snap'. Arguments :?:

Kinger
11-23-2004, 12:45 PM
I had the opportunity to fly a eCCPM Evo the other day at our local field. Personally, I didn't see it as a huge improvement over my manual set up. At least not enough anyway to convince me to deal with all of the radio mixing and servo matching required for a eCCPM setup instead of the mCCPM setup. If I had $80 to spend and wanted more collective authority, I'd buy a Futaba 9350 or Airtronics 94758Z for my manual setup before trying the eCCPM version. Better yet, if the heli is already flying great for your current skill set, why not spend the $80 on fuel and enjoy that extra time in the air :)

Some folks love eCCPM though so it's nice that Hirobo gives you the option of using it.

rob_jones
11-23-2004, 01:15 PM
Well said, Kinger!

the collective
11-24-2004, 12:19 PM
Well, my initial results with the CCPM conversion were less than stellar. It went together easily enough, everything moves freely with no slop or binding, but I did wind up with a bunch of interaction on the cyclics with collective movement. I worked with endpoints and mixing to try to eliminate as much of it s I could but I haven't been able to get rid of it completely yet.

There is definitely more collective authority on CCPM, and this is coming off using a KO 2123 on collective at 7.4 volts with the standard setup, but it didn't feel quite right in the air with the interactions. I'm thinking I must have gotten the linkage geometry wrong for this to be happening.

I switched back to the standard HPM setup for now, there aren't many good flying days left this season and I just want to go out and enjoy what's left. I'll put the CCPM back in during the winter and see if I can't get it working better for next season.

Lee Taylor
11-26-2004, 10:39 PM
I think I'll just keep running what I have been, until I win the lotto or somethin', and have nothing else to spend my money on except a CCPM upgrade.LOL...If it ain't broke...why fix it?? LMAO... :twisted:

rob_jones
11-27-2004, 07:37 AM
...If it ain't broke...why fix it??

Exactly! :mrgreen:

Lee Taylor
11-27-2004, 04:19 PM
Hey Rob,
Were you down at Mac's? I don't remember meeting you, but people keep telling me they thought you were there...

the collective
11-27-2004, 06:56 PM
Right now I'm running 9252's on cyclic, a 9250 on collective, and my EVO handles nicely. And actually, it's probably a little faster on collective than a CCPM set up would be with 9252's, isn't it? I think the speed on the 9250 is .11ms/60*...which a hair faster than 9252's. And torque is definitely not an issue becaue I think it's somewhere in the 70 oz/in. range...I guess I'm just trying to find a reason to not throw $80 into something that may be of no real benefit. If anyone can convince me otherwise...I might try it. It's hard though, when there's a possibility of losing some collective 'snap'. Arguments :?:

Lee, I have a KO FET servo on my collective, it's rated at around 150 oz. and .06 speed. Regardless, the collective definitely felt much more responsive when I did the CCPM mod. I used JR 8311's, they're around 125 oz and .18 speed.

The big difference is is that I believe the speed figure can be misleading. They measure it on an unloaded servo. I don't think any servo will run at its rated speed under a significant load, with CCP three servos are sharing the load of the clooective movement, and I don't think the load can bog them down like it can a single servo.

THe only thing that made me switch back for now was that I had some pretty big cyclic/collective interactions going on and I didn't want to spend the few remaining flying days here chasing them down. But as far as collective response goes, the CCPM is MAJOR.