official 4#6 page

[Snuggles]

Hongkong -> Netherlands usually takes around 2 weeks for me. I didn't use EMS to avoid customs. So one more week waiting i guess.

Right now I am experimenting with a 4g6 main shaft on the 4#6. There is a thread on rcgroups which says that this would give you a more stable heli.

The 4G6 shaft is a bit shorter then the 4#6 one and therefore you have to shorten all your links. Right now I don't feel any difference in flying. Maybe the heli is a bit more responsive on the sticks.

[joeyhatch11]

Well so far all I've done was swap out my canopy to the paper one. That alone I've seen a nice difference in flight. I think that, with a nice motor upgrade should really set it off. If you had to guess, what would you say the pitch of the blades are? As for making it more stable, I think it's plenty stable. If anything I'll be looking to make it more aggressive. Was even thinking about moving in the flybar weights LOL. With my RTF package I bought, I also got spare flybar paddles that look "thicker" than the stock ones. Are they possible heavyier to help make it more stable? Thanks, Joe

Snuggles, what pinion did you order with the combo?

[joeyhatch11]

Hey I was just reading on Wowhobbies website that the HP06 Motor can be solidered right to the stock Walkera ESC. Not sure if the 4G6 and the 4#6 have the same ESC but I would think they do. They did go on to say that during start up, it'll start with 90% of the Walkera's ESC. Whats that mean? It'll be super punchy at first?

[Snuggles]

I think it means that for 10% of the walkera esc's it will not work at all.

I wanted to be on the safe side so i ordered a XP-07 ESC together with the HP06.
With this ESC the motor is guaranteed to work and it is programmable too. :YeaBaby:

[Snuggles]

My engine has a 16t pinion.

As for the thicker flybar paddles. I did not use them yet. They don't seem to be heavier then the stock paddles and from what I have heard can can introduce the tail wobbling issues that some persons suffer from.

[joeyhatch11]

Interesting about the flybar paddles. But still being curious about the motor/esc, I emailed wowhobbies so I'll post back what I find. In the interest of saving money, if it'll work just fine then I'm all in. If a new ESC is a MUST, I'll have to put the upgrade on hold.

[mvert]

I have a 4g6 and a 4#6 also, I Put the 4g6 main shaft on the 4#6 and didn't notice much differance at all. I find you don't want your swash level on the #6 a slight foward tilt works for mine the best. Also play with the angle of your flybar paddles. changing the angle on those changes trim points and stabilty. The large flybar paddles make it feel real slow to radio imputs. like having your expo turned up too much. Tail holds great first heli I haven't had to mess with. I still like the way my 4g6 flies better however. I just turned my swash mix values in alie and elev all the way down to 30% for indoors and I go to 60% outdoors. They are both smooth and stable helis now. Love them both.

[joeyhatch11]

I too just noticed the swash needs a bit of forward tilt, otherwise she drifts back. But all in all awsome heli.

[mvert]

Both my 4g6 and 4#6 have the same wk-wst 10a ecs.

[joeyhatch11]

Cool thanks for the conformation. Was curious about that.

[joeyhatch11]

Well I got my reply from wowhobbies and they said the motor/esc combo isn't something to purchase. They said the new Turbo Ace motor (31714) is what I'm looking for. In the description for the Turbo Ace motor it states it'll supply 400rpm's more over stock Walkera motor. At the same time it's a direct drop in and will also plug into the stock esc wiring. Below you'll see the post and link to wowhobbies reply.

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"No, the HP06 is too weak. Go with the 31714 motor and just plug it in, no soldering needed." Go to [URL]http://www.wowhobbies.com/turboace31714-4g6with14tpinionhighperformanceinrunnermotorfor4g6 .aspx (http://www.wowhobbies.com/turboace31714-4g6with14tpinionhighperformanceinrunnermotorfor4g6 .aspx)

[john aeras]

It may have a little more power than than the HP06, but are you sure you want to go with an inrunner?:thinking

[mvert]

John, Enlighten me, Why is a outrunner better than an inrunner? More torque because the rotating mass is on the outside or what? I'm not trying to be a wiseguy here I really don't understand it.

[joeyhatch11]

Not sure what I want to do hahahaha.What about the HP08-2? Seems to be a step above the HP06. I'm going to email wowhobbies again and ask about that motor. At the same time I'll ask about the whole inrunner/outrunner motors and see what there take is on it. I've heard that outrunners are the way to go. They run cooler, last longer, offer more torque and can be more efficient.

[darmie]

I guess it's going to come down to this, What motor offers the longer run time and not over heat, with good performance. Yea, I know a lot to ask...

I started out with a 4#3Q 2yrs ago and always wanted to go brushless. Now, 2years later, there's this great Heli 4#6!! But, there's still arguments on the best motor? So I'm really interested in the answer too!! I'm really excited about the 4#6 myself!

[john aeras]

Not sure what I want to do hahahaha.What about the HP08-2? Seems to be a step above the HP06. I'm going to email wowhobbies again and ask about that motor. At the same time I'll ask about the whole inrunner/outrunner motors and see what there take is on it. I've heard that outrunners are the way to go. They run cooler, last longer, offer more torque and can be more efficient.

There you go mvert...

[john aeras]

I guess it's going to come down to this, What motor offers the longer run time and not over heat, with good performance. Yea, I know a lot to ask...

I started out with a 4#3Q 2yrs ago and always wanted to go brushless. Now, 2years later, there's this great Heli 4#6!! But, there's still arguments on the best motor? So I'm really interested in the answer too!! I'm really excited about the 4#6 myself!

Unfortunately there's no silver bullet... outruners in my opinion are the way to go, however if you want long flight times, you go with a smaller outrunner but you have to limit yourself to light flying.
If you fly aggressively, you have to go for a powerful motor, your flight times will be less.
Again no silver bullet, until they come up with better batteries.:YeaBaby:

[Snuggles]

Today i finally received my hp06 motor.

Actually it arrived yesterday already but because i was not home i could pickup the package today at the postoffice (I hate that..)

First impression: It is really tiny compared to the stock walkera motor. It is in fact so tiny that it made me think like hmmm.. maybe i should ordered a HP08...

Anyway the motor came packaged with the XP07A ESC already soldered to the motor together with 2 little mounting screws. I did not use the screws because i like the black stock screws more. They have a slightly bigger head and provide more grip to the frame.

Installation went smoothly and after rerouting the servo wires (you dont want these to be in contact with the outside of a outrunner motor) I powered the thing up.

The ESC makes different sounds than the walkera esc. Right after connecting the battery it starts beeping and after turning on the transmitter it makes a 3 tone sound saying that it is ready.

The motor need a little more throttle to start. If you only give a little bit of throttle in the beginning it make a whizzing sound and it doesn't start. Power is great. I dont feel like i need a more powerful engine for my indoor flying. With the stock motor i have to push full throttle sometimes to avoid a chair or something. With this motor I dont want to hit full throttle. It will hit the ceiling of my apartment within a second..

Pro's:
Weight is 6.2g vs +-10g for the stock motor.
Very powerful
Stays very cool. After running it for a few mins the motor is only slightly warm to the touch

Con's
You cannot turn the rotorblades by hand anymore. The magnets in the hp06 are so powerful that this will cause too much friction.
The wires from the esc to the receiver have wrong colors. Yellow wire is the negative. Black wire is positive and red wire is throttle signal. Everything is still connected as it should be so this is no big deal.

[joeyhatch11]

Well according to wowhobbies the HP06 is slower than the stock Walkera motor. They also said the 31714 Turbo Ace motor will last longer and run cooler. I did receive another email from them reguarding the inrunner/outrunner motors this is what they had to say.

"Hi, you are correct, everything you said about the outrunners. The draw back on outrunner is, ESC timing is cretical to start the motor, require direct solder. If soldering does not work, you need the CB100 ESC which has better timing for the outrunner motors. Once you get everything working the outrunner is lighter too, the often missed part is that you have to constantly keep the wires away from the rotation bell and the bell is more prone to crash damage."

I watched the video they shot of the 4#6 with the Turbo Ace motor installed and the type of flying you see in that video is what I'm trying to do at work in my bays. Because I'm running my stock motor at 100% throttle all the time and the damn thing keeps touching down, I think it's a safe bet to order the Turbo Ace motor. What I dont get though is the HP06 is listed at 13,000kv and the stock motor is listed at 11,000kv but SNUGGLES your saying that the HP06 IS faster than the stock motor. I wonder why wow would say that about that motor then? Well Friday I'm placing the order for my motor I'll guess we'll see what happens and I'll post my results once I get her installed. I'll be super pissed if its not much better. But watching that video they posted has me pretty certain I'll be in the clear. Thanks for the post though Snuggles.

P.S. I thought the stock Walkera motor was small. God that thing is tiny hahaha DAMN!!!

[Snuggles]

For a FP heli I don’t care about the kv rating of a motor. It says something about the max rpm it will run per volt. Other then a CP heli you won’t run a FP heli @ max throttle/max rpm for a long time.

Hovering head speed will always be the same regardless what kind of motor you use. The HP06 will run much slower than the stock engine because of the bigger pinion (16t). What cares is the amount of torque the engine can deliver. The Hp06 feels like it have a lot more torque then the stock engine. Throttle stick reaction is very quick.

I am still very happy with it.

[joeyhatch11]

Haha Very cool man. I still can't get over how tiny that motor is. LMAO.

[john aeras]

For a FP heli I don’t care about the kv rating of a motor. It says something about the max rpm it will run per volt. Other then a CP heli you won’t run a FP heli @ max throttle/max rpm for a long time.

Hovering head speed will always be the same regardless what kind of motor you use. The HP06 will run much slower than the stock engine because of the bigger pinion (16t). What cares is the amount of torque the engine can deliver. The Hp06 feels like it have a lot more torque then the stock engine. Throttle stick reaction is very quick.

I am still very happy with it.

+1 You are absolutely right! It does have more torque than inrunners (comparable) and you will be happy with it for a long time!:thumbup:

[danj1111]

I am loving this thing!!!!!! OMG!!!
I thought my 4#3b was a good flying helicopter... sheeeeeyyyyaaat!!!

It's got nothing on this thing. Sure the 4#3b is fun and all, sooo small... but it's got nothing on this 4#6. I'm addicted now.

With the 4#3b I was constantly having to correct it's misbehaviors, always fighting it's
tendencies to rotate unpredictably. No more of that with the #6 though. It's rock solid in
comparison. I know that when something goes wrong it's my fault as a pilot, not the helis fault. No more excuses now!

Strong little bird too!!! I can't even count the amount of times I've smashed this thing into
hard objects. Nose first, tail first, blades smacking the sh*t out of things. It's STILL GOING!!!! I finally bent my flybar and it's making some noise, but still flying normal!

The poor canopy is all messed up! Taped to hell but still smiling. It's like a friggin war bird! Now the red led light is showing through the front of the canopy and when I'm nose
in it's shining right at me as if to say "what else you got", I can take it!"

I keep trying to stop myself from flying above my skill level, but I can't help it. After about 30 seconds of slow turning, and all the orientations of hover stuff, I just start zipping the thing around the room. Nearly full speed banking figure 8's, 2 story (cathedral ceiling) dives to the other side of the room, with a big banking and elevating turn at the end... It's friggin crazy!!!

Just wanted to express my new love for the hobby!

Also... do not fly drunk!!!! BIG MISTAKE! I couldn't control it worth a sh*t. I'd feel more
confident riding my motorcycle after a few beers than trying to control the precise intricacies of the rc helicopter. (aside from the much greater risk on said moto of course).

Happy flying-

[joeyhatch11]

Need some help guys. I got my new motor and all I can say is WOW!!! Awsome power through out the entire pack. Would tell anyone whos looking to get it, no questions asked. But now im wondering, is the stiffer landing gear/battery holder for this heli? Has anyone fabbed something up to fit?

[joeyhatch11]

Just an update. Flight time WILL change once you upgrade your stock motor. Listing says that you'll retain the same flight times or even gain a little. But I'm seeing shorter flight times. My 500mah 20C lipo are see 4 1/2 minutes and my 600mah 20C are seeing 5 1/2-6 minutes. Before it was between 7-10. Just a heads up. Dont over do the lipos or you will kill them.