RB-Heli, Mikado here are some suggestions for 2007

[OICU812]

Well been thinking, there seems to be some good communication from Ralph and most definetely Danny Jetschin in this forum. I think this is an excellent opportunity for us Logo owners or soon to be Logo owners to speak our thoughts on what we think would be good upgrades, changes or models to introduce to us for the year upcoming 2007. I know that Mikado is working on some good things as we speak, however I feel this is an excellent opportunity to bring some ideas and thoughts to surface, I hope you all agree! :wink:

With the new Min Air Razor coming out and several Big E Helis coming onto the market I feel this is the opportunity for Mikado to take some good steps to keep some dominance in the market and keep the dream alive. :mrgreen:

[OICU812]

Ok to get it rolling here are my suggestions from me: "only my opinions and suggestions, not saying I know best, these are based on my experience and following of the models etc..."

Logo 10:

-Offer a new version of the 3D with carbon frames instead if having the deluxe, than the carbon, than 3D etc. I think the carbon should just be the Logo10 3D with carbon frames imho.
-Offer another canopy style, something more like the L14 in design perhaps
-The swash should be metal, plastic swash just does not represent the company and the model itself well imho.
-Clamp ring in "any model" should be standard and included in stock kit
-Tail slider fork one piece is a mistake "L10 deluxe kit", upgrade to the one pivoting with pins and links, as in stock L103D kit
-It has been said hundreds of times, the Logo 10 any style lacks "driven tail", this would be the ultimate thing to do to the Logo 10 imho! Driven tail would rock on the Logo 10, this is what steers many people away and towards models like the T-Rex 600 being a 6S lipo machine that HAS driven tail.

Logo 14:

-Make a stronger main gear to handle the motor and power setups available today, perhaps think of helical gears and helical pinions, maybe even a belt drive setup??? ~Thoughts people?~
-I still beleive something more with the tail needs to be done. Originally posted I thought it needs to be sped up, Danny corrected me on this, thanks. Now It seems to me sometimeso for me under not so stressfull maneuveurs that the tail can blow out also that in slightest wind it can get a choppy feel to it and that I do not have a locked in feel like I do on other machines I have, some and most not as powerul either. I am not sure how to explain it other than I feel there needs more tuning on the tail to feel more connected imho.
-Room for improvement on the one way bearing imho, I think the same style as the Hirobo Freya X-Spec should be explored, the current setup does not feel friction free enough imho and any blade less than 600mm is sometimes "iffy" and botched autos are common with 570-580mm blades, I feel if there was improvement on friction on the bearing or something within the gearing etc that would help for autos on the 14..
-As it was brought up by "Lorents" once the small tray where the gyro sits needs to be 90 degrees to the main shaft in order to offer perfect operation of the gyro the customer installs, if not altering the frame perhaps and small shim of some sort should be included in the kit in order to perfect the reasoning behind this little cubby hole idea...
-I think the stock boom and belt etc should be the Logo 20 boom, belt, and drive pulley etc, makes more sense to allow safely up to 600mm blades.
-Wider frame to accomadate all the newer bigger motors on the market
-Current boom supports are far too flimsy, should be a 5-6mm cf tube for boom supports.
-Tail thrust upgrade #3052 should be a stock included item imho for the L14 kit.
-Aluminum motor mount should be a stock included in kit item, so many people strip gears because if this it is rediculous.
-Aluminum washout with brass insert should be in stock kit, plastic one included is not decent imho, it only makes sense to have the metal one with brass insert... :/
-Thicker 4 or 5mm flybar should be the standard "Lorents first pointed this out to my knowledge", for this model at high headspeeds the 3-3.5mm one does not hold as crisp in flight as it could, and it bends really easy in transport of course since it is so long, lol.
-Battery O-Rings break so easily, look at other methods like a slot on each side of bottom frame front to back to allow using velcro straps more like Align does with the rex 600, this would save worry on o rings breaking and getting caught in gears and motor, "I had this happen twice".

Well that is a kick off, I am tired I know there is more and feel free to add or comment on any of this. In the end I am hoping some of these ideas and comments may get to the higher powers of Mikado and improve our Mikado experience as customers and as loyal pilots. [/b]

[Lorents]

Great idea Shawn!

I think both L10 and L14 could benefit from beefier boom supports.

Another thing that is worth considering is to incorporate some kind of device to remove static build up in the tail belt. Probably not that many people that have experienced this but I have in my L14. From what I have heard there are some belts that are conductive but I dont know how much they cost compared to the normal belts or if they are as durable?

I have to say that the LLS head is fantastic! Its amazingly stable and nimble at the same time! Only thing that could be nice is to replace the bent links on the control bridge with a looped link like the raptors have - not sure if it would do any good, but it would look more right as I can imagine the sentrifugal forces pulling the link outwards?

[NTM]

All valid points for sure.

I just finished building my logo 14 and was rather shocked by the washout block and plastic motor mount. I actually replaced the washout block with one from a century swift, it's a direct replacement and has bushings in it.

The main gear definitally could use some beefing up, power systems have come a long way in the last few years, and won't be getting weaker any time soon !
This is the biggest concern for me.
Belt drive would be nice, if it could be executed well.

The included boom support struts seem pretty non functional as well. I replaced mine with some larger diameter carbon tubing.

The min air razor will be out soon with all these things and more, at the same price point and with the same kind of quality Mikado is famous for. It will, without a doubt, hurt logo 14 sales.

I'm certainly not dissapointed by the logo 14, far from it, but I'm not sure I got what I paid for. A few little updates would definitally change that and allow it to hold its own (commercially I mean, performance wise I think it already has the edge) against the rex600 and razor, for years to come.

Please don't take these comments the wrong way Ralph, the heli is beautiful and I only wish to see Mikado prosper in the years ahead.

[helidawg69]

The min air razor will be out soon with all these things and more, at the same price point and with the same kind of quality Mikado is famous for. It will, without a doubt, hurt logo 14 sales

I doubt it! Look at that min-air thing.. are you kidding? The 3-way stacked frames of the min-air means more parts, more screws, more stress, more stuff to break and more stuff to fix... I don't get min-air with that razor... its a step backward in my opinion. I think it will help 14 sales in the long run.

-D

[NTM]

The min air razor will be out soon with all these things and more, at the same price point and with the same kind of quality Mikado is famous for. It will, without a doubt, hurt logo 14 sales

I doubt it! Look at that min-air thing.. are you kidding? The 3-way stacked frames of the min-air means more parts, more screws, more stress, more stuff to break and more stuff to fix... I don't get min-air with that razor... its a step backward in my opinion. I think it will help 14 sales in the long run.

-D

It will definitally be heavier, but stiff is good too :wink:
From what I can see, I'd say the razor can cope with lots of power better than the 14.
One would have to fly both and see if the extra weight was worth it.

[OICU812]

Logo 14: Replace part #2732 with a METAL hub, these things are too fragile and finding that more than a few people are breaking them, bad news!! Metal please!!! :hug:

[Daniel Jetschin]

It is dudes :lol:

[OICU812]

Apparently now it is.... just gotta find someone who actually carries them in stock... :roll:

[helidawg69]

what about the 14 canopy? Does anyone know of a good looking/less cost canopy outthere somewhere?

[Griffo]

I'd be keen on a decent belt drive upgrade and perhaps a driven tail upgrade for the Logo 20! That would make it my ideal heli!

[Jesse]

I'm using a trex 600 canopy that I modified a little

[WillJames]

I doubt it! Look at that min-air thing.. are you kidding? The 3-way stacked frames of the min-air means more parts, more screws, more stress, more stuff to break and more stuff to fix... I don't get min-air with that razor... its a step backward in my opinion. I think it will help 14 sales in the long run.

-D


The L14 is definitely the king of light and HOT, but I can tell you first hand that the Razor is a very strong design. I have seen 2 14's planted and 5 or 6 Razor crashes and the 14's had WAY more damage. Would it keep me from owning a 14, of course not, but it is a lot lighter and a LOT more fragile machine than the Razor.

Also, the Razor can be stretched to a 90 size machine and from what I hear, they fly great. The Razor is a lot bigger, heavier and beefier machine with a Stratus 90 sized head and HUGE compared to the L14, comparing them is really not logical. :dontknow

[helidawg69]

Wow the trek 600 canopy is only $35.00 and it comes painted and all. Thanks I'm gonna try it out.

[MrMel]

I'm using a trex 600 canopy that I modified a little


Do you have some pictures of this?

[OICU812]

Also, the Razor can be stretched to a 90 size machine and from what I hear, they fly great. The Razor is a lot bigger, heavier and beefier machine with a Stratus 90 sized head and HUGE compared to the L14, comparing them is really not logical.


I agree with that, after all it is not like any of the MinAir pilots were comparing it to the L14 or even trying to say it was better or anything. I look at the Razor as an option, it has the MA head it will fly well, a person is just going to have to find the right motor gearing combo to give it a nimble feeling like the L14, it was not till the last year here were people really found the best options for the L14....
:cool:

[OICU812]

Top metal bearing block for the Logo 14 would be nice. :wink:

[OICU812]

New tail rotor design, one with metal tail rotor grips as well as bolt on slider arms as well like Min Air or even Raptors have.

[Daniel Jetschin]

The wishlist is getting longer and longer isn't it :lol:

[OICU812]

Well Xmas is near you know, I got money to spend on Logos :glasses2:

[Lorents]

LOL :lol:

[NTM]

Well Xmas is near you know, I got money to spend on Logos :glasses2:

Buy another 14 !

[helidawg69]

Well, I just saw the razor 700 video... OK OK OK... So the razor 700 looks real sweet and sounds cool too! If the price is anywhere around the L14 price... with the stratus head? oh boy... ooh... ahhh... ooohh.. ahhh... decisions, decisions... I know the L14 shouldn't really be compared to a 700 machine but mikado should get the 700 thing together and get it quick.. because the 24 without a driven tail is not going to cut it. I guess its a wonderful time for e-helis - let the battles begin.

[OICU812]

I do not think you will see that happen, there is not a real big market for the 90 size E Helis imho, and I own one.. Anyhow plain pyshics will rule that a 90 electric simply can not turn itself into a knot quite the way a 50 can simply because of disc size, power to weight etc..... Mikado may eventually build a full out 3D 90 size ship, but I doubt it..... If they did it would and should be a 12S machine imho, I think the Razor 700 should be a 12S machine as well, and if I could figure out a real good setup for 12S on my L14s' they would have it as well. :smokin:

[OICU812]

That was alot of "as well" goin on there, lol