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GM1
09-20-2006, 07:22 AM
I am beginning to think about the 2007 season. I had a really goood year in 2006 as far as results but spent a LOT of time working on problems that I never had before so it was frustrating also. I lost two models due to crashes and am currently working to do two total rebuilds to brand new spec even though both models are currently flyable.
From listening to Dr. Ben, I think I will keep the 7.9 gear ratio but go at it differently, 11/87 instead of 12/95 as the smaller main gear makes everything fit a little better and makes maintenance easier so I need to rebuild both clutch stacks with the 11 tooth pinion which I probably should do anyway and have the start shaft blocks jig built.
I have good motors for both models and will have the new tanks so aerodrag should be improved as well as fuel capacity so time should not be an issue. Will need new fins and canopies this year as all mine are pretty beat up from the ditch digging expeditions they went through. I learned a lot about setup this year and had models that worked very well but need to be made 100% reliable. I will not make major changes for 2007 but suspect that 2008 will be the year when I redo everything, new models, new motors, new mufflers, and probably all new radio gear as there certainly will be different servos, gyros, governors, etc,available by that time.
What are the plans for everyone else?
Gordie

ShawnK
09-20-2006, 10:36 AM
What are the plans for everyone else?


To learn how to fly worth a crap. :roll:

I'm such a rank beginner that you probably don't want to hear my trivial trials, but my focus for next year will be to continue hammering the basics. Among the more notable points:

* Starts and Stops: My climbs and descents always tend to have a bounce in them at the end. I've not yet got the feel for how aggressively (??) to apply collective to stop a maneuver without overcompensating or causing the heli to bounce (especially on the stops). The situation's even worse when descending with power.

* Colective management during pirouettes: I tried a bi-directional collective to tail rotor mix to keep the heli from climbing or descending during the 90 and 180 poirouettes, but it didn't work too well. Either I needed to use a multi-point curve instead of a straight one, or I need to just learn to fly the damned thing without a comp mix. Probably the latter.

* Upstairs visual orientation: Side-in hovering at eye level is going pretty well for me, but at the top of the Class 1 spike with 90 and 180 piro's, I can't keep the heli stationary. I'm still not used to the visual presentation of the heli at altitude. Same goes for the tops of the rectangle and inverted triangle.

* Physical setup: I'm happy with my cyclic response, and my collective response setup is getting pretty close. However, I can't seem to get the dampening to settle down. I'm mast bumping all over the place (especially in the wind), and it doesn't really seem to matter what headspeed I run at.

Like I said, pretty dull in comparison, but it's my cross to bear nonetheless. :oops:

The good thing is, I've suddenly gone through 3 cases of fuel without any mishaps, which is a personal record for me. I've also received many compliments from fellow pilots that my flying has become much smoother overall this season, and appears to be much more controlled than before, so maybe there's hope for me after all.

My goal (if I can make it to the event) is a podium finish at the 2007 Class 1 Nationals. I don't know if that's overly ambitious or not (it'd be my first event, if I'm able to attend), but it seems like a good goal.

Hinke
09-22-2006, 02:28 AM
Hi,

My first season in F3C was kind of a disaster. I ended up in second to last place in two competitions and I took last place in the Swedish nationals. So, you can say that I am the worst F3C pilot in Sweden or the eight best one in Sweden (I prefer the last one).

The problem I had this season was that I experimented too much. This took away time from practising, but at the same time I gained valuable experience in different setups and equipment.

I will now concentrate on making my Freya X-spec fly even better. I am getting the Freya EVO top frame so I can get the double bearing clutch. Hopefully this will make the machine more quiet and smooth. Modifications to the YS91ST will be done in the next day or so (I can post some pictures to let you guys know what we modify). I am in the process of painting a canopy in neon-colors so I can see the helicopter better in the air.

I need to focus more on the placement of the manouvers. I also need to focus on the entrance of each manouver.

Overall I am just happy I can perform the A-schedule and get 160points (my best score). I will also start to practise the B-schedule (even though we don't compete with that schedule here in Sweden).

But, in 2 years I will see you guys in the US for sure. The move to Austin Texas is planned 2 years from now...maybe sooner.

So, take care and good luck next season.

GM1
09-22-2006, 07:15 AM
BK,
I'm sure you are aware that the Class I rules change for next year to an 8 maneuver schedule with 3 hovering and 5 flight maneuvers. If you have not seen them, they are (were) posted on the AMA site as a proposal. I am pretty sure they passed so will go into effect 1 JAN 07. I think they are very cool and will really promote Class 1 to a fun deal.
Gordie

ShawnK
09-22-2006, 10:11 AM
Yup, those are the maneuvers I've been practicing.

I'm just finding that getting an adequate setup for sport flying is one thing... getting a workable setup for contest flying is quite a bit more.

Dr.Ben
09-23-2006, 09:41 AM
As Gordie suggested, I've been fiddling around with drivetrains and getting the OS engines to play as I'd like in the models. I'm just about where I need to be right now. The 87/11 gearing, while it requires a little bit a frame and ratio plate slotting, allows you to get the clutch stack in and out of Stratus without pulling the maingear. This makes R&R so much easier. We had had some concerns about how the 87 tooth gear meshes, but those concerns have proven to be totally false; it runs just fine.

My older model with 1.5 seasons on it will receive new servos this winter. It'll also have the bearings in the head and tail replaced along with a general going over. It needs the 87/11 gearing in it as well. Both models will have the entire eCCPM program in the MZ retweaked.

I hope to have this all wormed out well before the springtime, so I can come to Tampa in March.

Ben Minor

BAyres
09-29-2006, 05:55 PM
Hi everyone...this is my first post on here and really enjoy reading all of your insights.
I live in north Las Vegas, not NORTH LAS VEGAS (I just work there!)
Can anybody tell me of any heli competitions, or fun flys, in my neck of the woods? I would really like to watch some competitions as I am brand new to this exciting hobby. I think I have just about wore out the google searches for vids...lol.
Thanks for any input!

Bobby

GM1
11-01-2006, 07:41 AM
There used to be a couple of events out west but I have not heard of any lately. Emphasis has shifted to 3D so many of the old contests are no longer being held or have changed to fun flys. We have had a slight resurgence of contest interest on the East coast and now have several events we can make and fly. I am currently rebuilding both my contest models to get ready for the 2007 season and hopefully can be a little more consistent in my preparation for next year that I was this year.
Gordie

cdrking
11-01-2006, 11:38 AM
Silly question for you contest flyers. Do you guys use a simulator for practice in the winter time?

Jeff

GM1
11-01-2006, 12:48 PM
Hey Jeff,
I only use a simulator to learn some particular new thing, like flying backwards inverted but I have had VERY little success using the sim for contest practice as you don't have enough peripheral vision to make the necessary corrections to be useful. At the top of figures, you cannot see the ground and therefore cannot tell if you are drifting. I don't have nearly as much trouble with the real thing.
Actually, I live in Florida so I CAN practice in the winter. <g>
Gordie

Phaedrus
11-03-2006, 03:48 PM
BK,
I'm sure you are aware that the Class I rules change for next year to an 8 maneuver schedule with 3 hovering and 5 flight maneuvers. If you have not seen them, they are (were) posted on the AMA site as a proposal. I am pretty sure they passed so will go into effect 1 JAN 07. I think they are very cool and will really promote Class 1 to a fun deal.
Gordie

Nothing fancy, but I have posted some resources here:

http://scaleaerobatics.org/F3C/

The new 2007 AMA rules and sequences are in the list.

Dooms_day
11-04-2006, 09:31 AM
im probly going to buy my first rc helicopter a little before christmas, so first i want to fly it :mrgreen:

then i can move up to safe landing, autorotation, or just plain bending the rotor down THEN shutting the motor off :wink:

i also need the basics of flying forward and sideways, hovering is prety easy, so i probly wont need to spend time on that

maybe by january ill be able to hover upside down, ill probly find some cool menuvers around these forums and tr to learn them if they are intermediate.

by MARCH i shal master most of it, and be able to get out of sticky situations, i dont know, free falling at 32 ft per second^2 :mrgreen:

charles
12-06-2006, 11:42 AM
Gordie,

Would you care to post a link to the new rules/schedule for the AMA classes.

Charles

DavidH
12-06-2006, 01:46 PM
http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/2007Proposals/rchelicopter.htm



RCH-07-5 – 431, 432, 433



4.3.3 Electric motor(s); maximum 42V with no load and one battery change after hovering maneuvers. A maximum of two minutes shall be allowed for a battery change and will not be charged against flight time.



6. Contest Area Layout. Use 2006 F3C layout



17.2.1 Class I – 8 minutes

17.2.2 Class II- 8 minutes

17.2.3 Class III- 8 minutes



19.1. Class I

19.1.1 Tail-in Vertical Rectangle

19.1.2 Tail-in Inverted Triangle

19.1.3 Spike with 90 and 180 Degree Pirouettes

19.1.4 Straight Flight Out, Procedure Turn, Straight Flight Back

19.1.5 Stall Turn

19.1.6 Cobra Vee

19.1.7 1 Axial Roll

19.1.8 Landing Approach to Eye Level Hover



19.2 Class II

19.2.1 Vertical Rectangle with 90 Degree Pirouettes

19.2.2 Vertical Circle with 180 Degree Pirouette

19.2.3 Inverted Vertical Triangle with 180 Degree Pirouettes

19.2.4 Loop (uu)

19.2.5 540 Degree Stall Turn (du)

19.2.6 Slow Roll (dd)

19.2.7 Pushover with ½ Roll Down (ud)

19.2.8 Translational landing (uu)



19.3. Class III

19.3.1 Vertical rectangle with 360 Degree Pirouettes

19.3.2 Inverted Vertical Triangle with 180 Degree Pirouettes

19.3.3 Vertical Hourglass with 180 Degree Pirouettes.

19.3.4 2 Consecutive Axial Rolls (dd)

19.3.5 Rolling Stall Turn Plus 540 Stall Turn (ud)

19.3.6 Stall with Pullback Recovery (uu)

19.3.7 Cobra Roll with ½ Rolls (dd)

19.3.8 180 Degree Autorotation (du)



28.6.1 Class I. Pilot position shall be fixed to the four (4) meter pad on the side of the box closest to the judges. If the pilot moves from the fixed position from the beginning to the end of the flight, a severe downgrade shall be imposed.

28.6.2 Class II. Pilot position shall be fixed to the four (4) meter pad on the side of the box closest to the judges. If the pilot moves from the fixed position from the beginning to the end of the flight, a severe downgrade shall be imposed.

28.6.3 Class III. Pilot position shall be fixed to the four (4) meter pad on the side of the box closest to the judges. If the pilot moves from the fixed position from the beginning to the end of the flight, a severe downgrade shall be imposed.





29.1 Class I

Take offs and landings are in the one (1) meter circle with minor downgrade if skids are touching the lines.



29.1.1 Tail-in Vertical Rectangle. Model is positioned tail toward the pilot. Model takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, maintaining a constant heading, altitude, and speed, hovers sideways either direction to the flag, pauses, rises vertically two (2) meters, pauses, hovers sideways across the central helipad to the opposite flag, pauses, descends vertically two (2) meters, pauses, hovers back to the central helipad, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Pilot Position

Take Off

Vertical hovering lines (2)

Horizontal hovering lines (3)

Stops (6)

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning



29.1.2 Tail-in Inverted Triangle. Model takes off from the central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, climbs sideways two (2) meters to the either flag, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose toward the central helipad, pauses, flies over the central helipad to the opposite flag, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose out, pauses, descends two (2) meters sideways back to the central helipad, pauses, descends vertically to land on central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Take Off

Diagonal hovering lines (2)

Horizontal hovering lines (3)

Stops (6)

Landing

Constant Altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning





29.1.3 Spike with 90 and 180 Degree Pirouettes. Model Takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, turns 90 degrees either direction, pauses, climbs two (2) meters, pauses, turns 180 degrees tail in, pauses, descends two (2) meters, pauses, turns 90 degree nose out, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Take Off

Vertical hovering lines (2)

Rotations not 90 degrees (2)

Rotation not 180 degrees

Stops (6)

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning





29.1.4 Straight Flight Out, Procedure Turn, Straight Flight Back. Maintaining constant altitude, the model flies straight and level past the midline, executes a 90 degree turn away from the judges and then an immediate 270 degree turn in the opposite direction, and flies straight in the opposite direction down the original line of flight.



Downgrading Guide:

Flight not parallel to flightline

Turn not 90 degrees

Turn not 270 degrees

Constant altitude

Entry and exit not same line

Positioning



29.1.5 Stall Turn. Model flies straight and level past the centerline for ten (10) meters minimum, then climbs vertically with a smoothly rounded curve of 90 degrees. When the vertical climb stops, the model rotates 180 degrees in yaw so that the nose points straight downward. While diving, the model follows the same path as the beginning of the maneuver. The start and finish of the pull up should be on the midline and the vertical line is offset in the direction of flight.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Climb and descent paths different

End of climb not vertical

Rotation is before or after end of climb

Rotation is more or less than 180 degrees

Drift occurs during climb, rotation, or descent

Exit line

Positioning



29.1.6 Cobra Vee. Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters and climbs at a smoothly rounded curve for 45 degrees, flies straight for ten (10) meters minimum, executes a sharp 90 degree pushover to descend at 45 degrees, descends in a straight line for ten (10) meters minimum, recovers to level flight in a smoothly rounded curve that matches the initial pull, flies straight and level for ten (10) meters at the original altitude. Maneuver should be centered on the midline.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Entry climb is more or less than 45 degrees

No straight flight in climb

Pushover is more or less than 90 degrees

No straight flight in descent

Pullout is more or less than 45 degrees

Maneuver is not in a vertical plane

Positioning





29.1.7 1 Axial Roll. Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters, executes one axial roll and flies straight and level for ten (10) meters





Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Roll is more or less than 360 degrees

Heading changes during roll

Altitude changes during roll

Exit line

Positioning



29.1.8 Landing Approach to Eye Level Hover. Beginning at a minimum altitude of ten (10) meters, the model will descend in a straight line parallel to the flight line, maintaining a constant rate of descent to an eye level hover over the three (3) meter central helipad, turns 90 degrees to tail in, and hovers for two (2) seconds.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Descent is not smooth or at a constant rate

Hover is not stationary over central helipad







29.2 Class II.

Takeoffs and landings are in the one (1) meter circle









29.2.1 Vertical Rectangle with 90 Degree Pirouettes. Model is positioned tail toward the pilot. Model takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, model turns 90 degrees in either direction, pauses, model flies forward to the flag, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose out, pauses, climbs vertically two (2) meters, pauses, turns 90 degrees toward the central helipad, pauses, flies across the central helipad to the opposite flag, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose out, pauses, descends vertically two (2) meters, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose toward central helipad, pauses, flies forward to central helipad, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose out, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Pilot position

Take Off

Vertical hovering lines (2)

Horizontal hovering lines (3)

Rotations are more or less than 90 degrees

Stops (12)

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning



29.2.2 Vertical Circle with 180 Degree Pirouette. Model takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, model turns 90 degrees in either direction, pauses, model flies forward and begins a vertical ½ circle with the 90 degree point over the flag, model pauses at the top and executes a 180 degree pirouette, pauses, flies forward and completes a ½ circle with the 270 degree point over the flag, finishing over the central helipad, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose out, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Take Off

Half circles not constant radius (2)

Pirouette more or less than 180 degrees

Pirouettes more or less than 90 degrees

Stops

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning





29.2.3 Inverted Vertical Triangle with 90 Degree Pirouettes. Model takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, turns 90 degrees in either direction, pauses, flies forward and climbs two (2) meters over the flag, pauses, turns nose out 180 degrees nose toward the central helipad, pauses, flies across the central helipad to the opposite flag, pauses, turns 180 degrees nose toward the central helipad, pauses, flies forward and descends two (2) meters to the central helipad, pauses, turns 90 degrees nose out, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrade Guide:

Take Off

Diagonal hovering lines (2)

Horizontal hovering line

Pirouettes more or less than 90 degrees

Pirouettes more or less than 180 degrees

Stops (8)

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning





29.2.4 Loop (uu). Model flies straight and for ten (10) meters, performs a loop maintaining the nose in the direction of flight, flies straight and level for ten (10) meters at the same altitude as the entry of the maneuver. Maneuver should be centered on the midline.



Downgrade Guide:

Entry line

Loop is not constant radius

Loop is not in a vertical plane

Exit line

Positioning







29.2.5 540 Degree Stall Turn (du). Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters, then climbs in a smoothly rounded curve of 90 degrees. When the vertical climb stops, the model rotates 540 degrees about the yaw axis so that the model points nose downward. While diving, the model follows the same path as the beginning of the maneuver. Entry and exit should be at the same altitude. Beginning and end of the pullup should be at the midline and the vertical line should be offset in the direction of flight.



Downgrade Guide:

Entry line

Climb and descent paths are different

End of climb is not vertical

Rotation begins before or after end of climb

Rotation is more or less than 540 degrees

Maneuver not in a vertical plane

Drift occurs during climb, rotation, or descent

Exit line

Positioning



29.2.6 Slow Roll (dd). Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters, executes a slow roll of duration no less than 3 seconds, and flies straight and level for ten (10) meters. Maneuver is centered on the midline.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Roll is more or less than 360 degrees

Roll is less than 3 seconds

Heading changes during roll

Altitude changes during roll

Exit line

Positioning





29.2.7 Pushover with ½ Roll Down (ud). Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters, then climbs in a smoothly rounded curve of 90 degrees. When the vertical climb stops, the model pushes forward 90 degrees and comes into a stationary hover, pauses for four(4) seconds, then pushes nose down. When vertical, the model executes a ½ roll, pulls horizontal in a smoothly rounded curve of 90 degrees and recovers to straight and level flight. Entry and exit altitude should be at the same altitude and the vertical line should be on the midline.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Pullup is not smooth

End of climb is not vertical

Flip is more or less that 180 degrees

Downline is not vertical

Roll is more or less than 180 degrees

Pullout is not smooth

Pullout does not match pullup

Exit line

Positioning





29.2.8 Translational landing (uu). At an altitude of no less than ten (10) meters and on a heading parallel to the flightline, the model begins a constant rate translational descent to a landing on the central helipad. If the skids are completely inside the central helipad, a maximum of ten (10) points can be earned. If the skids are touching the one (1) meter circle of the central helipad, a maximum of nine (9) points can be earned. If the model lands inside the three (3) circle, a maximum of eight (8) points can be earned. If the skids are on or outside the three (3) meter circle, a maximum of five (5) points can be earned.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Descent is not smooth or at constant angle

Landing is not on central helipad

Heading is not constant or parallel to flightline

Model hovers more than briefly before landing

Landing is rough





29.3 Class III.

Take offs and landings are from the one (1) meter circle









29.3.1 Vertical rectangle with 360 Degree Pirouettes. Model is positioned with nose parallel to the flightline. Model takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, flies backward to the flag, pauses, executes a 360 degree pirouette while climbing four (4) meters, pauses, flies forward over the central helipad to the opposite flag, pauses, descends two (2) meters, pauses, performs a stationary 360 degree pirouette in the opposite direction, pauses, descends two (2) meters, pauses, flies backward to the central helipad, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Pilot position

Take Off

Vertical hovering lines (2)

Horizontal hovering lines (3)

Rotations are more or less than 360 degrees

Climb and rotations not at constant rate

Stops (8)

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning





29.3.2 Inverted Vertical Triangle with 180 Degree Pirouettes. Model takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, climbs backward at a 45 degree angle to the flag, pauses, turns 180 degrees either direction, pauses, flies backward across the central helipad to the opposite flag, pauses, turns 180 degrees in either direction, pauses, descends backwards at 45 degrees to the central helipad, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Take Off

Diagonal hovering lines (2)

Horizontal hovering line

Rotations are more or less than 180 degrees

Stops (6)

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning





29.3.3 Vertical Hourglass with 180 Degree Pirouettes. Model takes off from central helipad and rises vertically to eye level, pauses, flies backward to the flag, pauses, turns 180 degrees in either direction, pauses, climbs backward four (4) meters to the opposite flag, pauses, turns 180 degrees in either direction, flies backward across the central helipad to the flag, pauses, turns 180 degrees in either direction, pauses, descends backwards four (4) meters to the opposite flag, pauses, turns 180 degrees in either direction, pauses, flies backward to the central helipad, pauses, and descends vertically to the central helipad.



Downgrading Guide:

Take Off

Diagonal hovering lines (3)

Horizontal hovering line

Rotations are more or less than 180 degrees

Stops (10 )

Landing

Constant altitude

Constant speed

Constant heading

Positioning



29.3.4 2 Consecutive Axial Rolls (dd). Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters and performs two (2) consecutive axial rolls in the same direction and flies ten (10) meters straight and level. The model should be upright as it crosses the midline.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Rolls are more or less than 720 degrees

Heading changes during rolls

Altitude changes during rolls

Exit line

Positioning



29.3.5 Rolling Stall Turn Plus 540 Stall Turn (ud). Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters then climbs in a smoothly rounded curve of 90 degrees. When the model is vertical it executes a 180 degree roll and continues upward at least one model length. When the vertical climb stops, the model rotates 180 degrees about the yaw axis so that the model points nose downward. While diving, the model does a ½ inside loop with the bottom at the same altitude as the entry. When the vertical climb stops, the model rotates 540 degrees in the yaw axis so that the model points nose downward. While diving, the model follows the same path as the climb and flies straight and level. The bottom of the ½ loop is centered on the midline.



Downgrading Guide:
Entry line

Pullup is not smooth

Roll is more or less than 180 degrees

End of climbs are not vertical

Rotations begin before or after end of climb

Rotations are more or less than 180 degrees

Maneuver not in a vertical plane

Center of ½ loop is not on the midline





29.3.6 Stall with Pullback Recovery (uu) Model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters then climbs in a smoothly rounded curve of 90 degrees. When the model is vertical, it executes a ½ forward flip while traveling backwards and maintaining altitude until the model points vertically nose downward. While diving, the model executes in a smoothly rounded curve of 90 degrees and flies straight and level at the same altitude as the entry.



Downgrading Guide:

Pullup was not smooth

Model did not stop vertically

Model lost or gained altitude during pullback.

Model was not stopped vertically before descent.

Descent was not vertical.

Pullout was not smooth or did not match entry

Exit not at same altitude as entry.

Positioning





29.3.7 Cobra Roll with ½ Rolls (dd) the model flies straight and level for ten (10) meters then climbs in a smoothly rounded curve of 45 degrees. The model flies straight for a minimum of five (5) meters, does a ½ roll to inverted, and continues straight for an additional five (5) meters minimum. At the midline, the model executes a sharp 90 degree inside loop, flies straight for five (5) meters minimum, does a ½ roll to upright, continues straight for five (5) meters minimum, recovers smoothly to level flight, and flies straight and level for ten (10) meters.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Ascending and/or descending segments were not at 45 degrees.

Rolls more or less than 180 degrees.

Pull was more or less than 90 degrees.

Straight segments before and after half rolls were not recognizable.

Ascending and Descending pull-ups are not smooth.

Entry and exit altitude not the same.

Positioning





29.3.8 Autorotation with 180 Degree Turn (du) Model flies at a minimum altitude of twenty (20) meters with a speed less than required for stationary flight. The engine must be stopped before the model crosses the midline and begins a 180 degree turn to land on the central helipad. Maneuver begins at the midline. If the skids are inside the central helipad, a maximum of ten (10) points can be earned. If the skids are touching the circle of the central helipad, a maximum of nine (9) points can be earned. If the skids are outside the central helipad, a maximum of eight (8) points can be earned. If the skids are on or outside the three (3) meter circle, a maximum of five (5) points can be earned.



Downgrading Guide:

Entry line

Model made a hard landing.

Model landed while it still had forward speed.

Model did not perform an exact 180° turn.

Model did not maintain a constant rate of descent during 180° turn.

Model did not maintain a constant turning rate during 180° turn.

Flight path was stretched to reach helipad or square.

If engine was still running after crossing midline, score will be zero.

charles
12-11-2006, 10:03 AM
David,

Thanks for posting, the classes sure are changing.

Charles

WMann
12-11-2006, 10:49 AM
Hi David,

Nice job on the typing. :D I know you didn't cheat and copy and paste...did you? :mrgreen:

Merry Christmas to everyone. The Tampa contest is just around the corner. Everyone get to practicing or wrenching, whatever is needed. Don't put off to tomorrow what you can do today.


Wayne Mann

DavidH
12-11-2006, 11:03 AM
Wayne,
Good to hear from you. Yes right clicking is a great thing :lol:

Hope things are going well with you. You get your bike back yet. Probably a little cool to ride but is it back to you.

David

WMann
12-11-2006, 12:33 PM
Hi David,

Yes I have had it back for about five weeks or so. We took a trip to the Florida Keys on it a week after I got it back. A little over 2400 miles. Boy was my arse sore when we got back.

We were suppose to take a bike ride to Charlotte Saturday for a BMW tech event, but when I got up Saturday morning it was 15 degrees. There was no way in hell that we were going to ride 90 plus miles in those tempatures. So we took Jerry's Miata.


Wayne

Hinke
12-11-2006, 02:09 PM
I can't wait until I get to compete with you guys. It will be sooner than I thought actually. We move to Austin Texas december 2007. So, season 2008 I will try to make it to some of the competitions.

I'll probably see Wayne in Poland 2007, so I'll make sure I'll say hi :D

GM1
12-12-2006, 07:10 AM
Wayne, David, et al,
How big is the FAI pilot circle? 2m?
Gordie

Jamie Robertson
12-12-2006, 08:40 AM
The classes have really changed sense I have been away. Thanks for the post David. I guess the next thing to do is go buy some cones and burn fuel.

Jim....

WMann
12-12-2006, 09:30 AM
Hi Gordie,

Yes the pilot circle is two meters.

Hi Hinke,

I remember you and your wife from Spain. It will be nice to have you guys over here. I look forward to seeing the two of you in Poland next year.


Wayne Mann

Rocket Man
01-24-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm in the same boat is some others. I have not flown in a helicopter competition since 1982 (Shluter Cup), but have the vacation scheduled to actually try Class 1 at the Nats. (Please don't hurt yourself laughing. :shock: )

My question on the new routine: Are the maneuvers supposed to be flown like a turnaround pattern? (Do you continue right into the stall turn coming back downwind from the straight flight out, etc.?) Or are you allowed to fly past the judges to set up the maneuver, with turnarounds at your discretion?

IIRC, you are supposed to call each maneuver, so I'm not sure I can talk fast enough. In the turnaround pattern, you simply call entering and exiting the box.

Thanks for your help,

DavidH
01-24-2007, 03:00 PM
Yes in the AMA classes you can fly all the aerial maneuvers from the same direction if you want. But also remember your on a clock. So make sure you don't eat up all the time making free passes.

Yes you have a caller that calls each maneuver. Call the maneuver, then the start, then complete. etc., etc.

2007 is the first year Class I has had aerial maneuvers. So it will be new for everyone in Class I.


David