LOGO 10 or 14...stretched?

[Jam Rectified]

Hi Guys :D

I am quite new on this forum.....
I currently fly a TREX SE after learning to fly with a Corona. I am not into crazy 3D or anything like that and I am looking at moving up to a bigger heli and the LOGO range is an obvious choice...my medium to long term aspiration is to get into AP but that is a way off yet and I will need to learn to handle a bigger heli. It is all a bit confusing for someone who isn't familiar with the LOGO range :? The deluxe 10, the 3D 10, the CF 10 and the 14. The Deuxe 10 kit is a very reasonable price and compares well to somehting like the Swift (please don't flame me for comparing them..I am talking about their size and price :) ) But the 10 CF and 3D are quite a bit more expensive and almost the same as the 14....which again could be compared in size to the TREX 600 (Don't flame) although as the 600 comes pretty much with everything you need it would work out cheaper...
Anyway, I am rambling..I can see there are some guys on here who are very big on the LOGO helis and I would really just appreciate your advice on which heli do you think would suit me based on the information I have provided. After having major difficulty selling my Corona and having to part it out I would very much like to buy the components once where possible. I would ideally like flight duration in the range of 10-15mins..10 is a real minimum but more than 15 would be great....I am also considering getting a stretched setup from the beginning...Esprit models seems to do a very good LOGO 14 stretched combo with 55-10-32 and tango 45/06 etc althought the price is a little scary but within my budget..although it is difficult to not notice that for the price of that combo one could get 2 TREX 600's. Would really appreciate your thoughts on the LOGO range and could do with a bit of help being convinced they are the best way to go....
all opinions and thoughts gladly welcomed.
Many Thanks for your time
Jam R

[Ace in the hole]

You say AP work may be in the future and you might want to use what you buy for AP work. Well bigger is always better for AP work, but it also is more expensive. You may also want to consider a logo 20. It is very popular for AP set ups.

Let me see if I can sum up the logo line for you this way--

logo 10 deluxe- basic entry level heli uses 500mm blades, nice to learn with
logo 10 3D- excellent heli just under 30 size, the deluxe kit + may upgraded parts like alum. swash and thrust bearings, uses 500 blades, can be stretched for 550mm blades
logo 10 carbon- same as 3D but with carbon frames and I think it doesn't come with blades but they may have changed that
logo 14- excellent 30 size heli with a driven tail, uses 550 blades, can be stretched for 600's
logo 20- excellent 60 size heli, uses 600 blades very stable, popular AP platform.
Logo 24- Top of the mikado line

There is also a logo 16, but I don't know much about it and it's not real popular with the US distributers so I have not actually ever seen it listed for sale anywhere.

As for flight times that all depends on your power set up and battery size. You can easily get 15-20 min. flight times with larger capacity batteries and the proper motor selection. Your overall responsiveness will be less with the extra weight but then your not looking for a 3D machine and you plan on using it for AP so you will be hauling around a lot of extra weight any way.

[Jam Rectified]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for taking the time to reply to me...I appreciate it....So the Logo 14 still classes as 30 and not 50 size...There doesn't seem to be much info on the 24 (Bionic) Do many people have those and is that a good AP platform aswell as the 20? Probably a silly question but is the LOGO 14 stretched equivalent to the LOGO 20 then if it is running the same size blades? How would you guys compare the LOGO's to something like a Swift or the REX 600 or even the erappy? I am really struggling with the best size to go for....is the 20 not outdated now at all?
Thanks
Jam R

[WillJames]

My logo 14 came with 580mm blades. You can spend another $56 or so and stretch the 14 to run 600mm blades which I am doing now.

[Ace in the hole]

There are people using the 24 as a camera ship to. As for comparing the logos to the swift and rex600 and such you will find people who come down on both sides of the fence, so to speak. I don't have first hand knowledge of those helis so I can't give info from personal experience. From what I have read though the swift and rex600 are good helis and are a good value. From a quality stand point I think the advantage still goes to the logos. People keep saying that the swift and rex need a few good upgrades to make them fly like a logo will right out of the box. Seems like this hobby is in a constant state of flux though, that may not be the case next year or the year after.

[gordohigh]

Can't go wrong with the 14 stretched, very stable for AP, yet agile for 3D..... :D

[Lorents]

Hello,

I have a L10 deluxe, L10 3D and a L14 and love them all, but my favourite is the 14 :)

What impresses me is how versatile the L14 is. I primarily fly 3D with it, but have also used it for AP (with one of askmans mount) and even used it in a F3C competition (helisport class in the norwegian championchip). Its simple and robust and with the right setup it will fly just the way you like :)

A great setup is the Tango 45-07 on 10S lipos. With an 11t pinion it can be used for sports flying and 3D with flying times around 9 minutes, with a 12t it starts to come alive and can do some serious 3D with slightly shorter flying times, with a 13t and a high capacity lipo it will fly like crazy...

[Jam Rectified]

Guys,
Thanks for all the advice so far...I have to admit that they seem to do just the combo I am looking for at Esprit models (a logo 14 stretched, tango 45-06, jazz 55-10-32..etc...very very tempting....
I know there is the TREX 600 and the Swift etc but like somoen said somewhere, there also seems to be a constant stream of upgrades coming out for them which you don't see with the LOGO range as they are "right" to start with...am I correct with that or are there necessary upgrades for a LOGO 14?
Thanks
Jam R

[helidawg69]

The quality, fit, form and function of the logo's are amazing. You can't buy a heli from china or taiwan that compares to any one of the logo's. The 14 is considered a 50 size I have two of them they are setup completely different but both fly amazing. Keep in mind the L20 for AP work that is a very good suggestion because you can still fly 3d but have more motor and battery options with the larger >600mm blades. Once you get started at this with the logo's I'm convinced that you will wind up with a L20 and a L10 anyway. Also you can run standard size servo's which means you have more options for higher torque and speed setups. Have fun!

-D

[Jam Rectified]

Hi theer Helidawg...thank you for your opinion also...One thing I can tell is the Mikado seems to have a lot of brand loyalty..which can only be a good thing!
Yes - the LOGO 20 could be a good option also and I guess having the 2 battery packs makes things a bit more manageable in terms of batteries and I guess might give me more battery options....the 20 kit also seems cheaper than the 14 but I guess that is due to the CF in the 14? So what about the 24 Bionic then?
I guess my only concern ( and it may not be a legitimate concern) is going from the corona to the rex se and then a huge size increse to a logo 20 /24 which is why I was trying to limit myself to the 14...is that a legitimate concern or not do you reckon....would anyone be able to post a good set up of a 20 or 24 with motor/esc etc and batts and let me know what durations they are getting with and without load if possible..
Many thanks for the info..I do really appreciate it.
Thanks
Jam R

[OICU812]

Get the 14 and be done with it, as Lorents said it is most versatile and driven tail is important of course. Screw the Espirit Models combo crap, get what you want exactly and have a better setup, alot of those combos on the net are made up by peeps in the stores that never flew it or have a clue imho. If someone with experience of the heli tells you a good combo run with that you are better off, all imho of course. Cheers

[Jam Rectified]

Hey Shawn,

I hear you about some of the combo's you find on the net nowadays but have to admit that from my limited knowledge and from what some of you guys have said already this combo seems like quite a good one:

Combo 3 Logo 14
(Carbon Stretched) $599.00 + $71.00
Kontronik Tango 45-06 $269.00
Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32 $269.00
TP4000 10S2P 37V Li-Po $410.00
600mm CF MAH $70.00
13T MIK3013 $11.00
Total $1699.00
Combo price $1615.00

Are those prices too high or is there a better motor / esc combo that would suit better? I have a brand new 401/9254 for the tail ready and I was gonna go for 3x 9650's for the cyclic...
Is there any better suggestions? Please remember that I am looking primarily for an AP ship here and am not interested in the 3D side of things...duration of around 15mins or higher would be ideal.
Thanks
Jam R

[Ace in the hole]

That is actually is a decent combo. One of the better ones I have seen. Usually I am with Shawn, there are always parts to a combo that I don't care for but this one looks good. Prices given are in line with what you would pay if you bought them seprately so it looks like they are saving you about $85. You can shop around and find the parts a little cheaper but not very much.

I don't know if the 4000 mAh battery will give you 15 min. flights though. I would expect more like 10-12 min. out of them for the flying your looking at with no 3D. May be a tad more but it would be close. I just noticed they are including a 13t pinion, that will give you a lower headspeed than I am running which should help with your flight times too. I still think you may be shy of it but getting closer to the 15 min. your looking for. You have to account for the additional load of your camera equipment too, that will effect flight times

[Jam Rectified]

Jeff,
Thanks again for your opinion....I do appreciate that a lot of combos can just be rip offs with usually at least one crappy component but as you have confirmed fo me, the esprit combo does seem very promising. I know I may be shy ofthe 15 mins duration with that Lipo but it is a start and the duration isn't that critical..more of a nice to have...Definitely seems like the 14 is getting the most votes although the 24 looks very interesting although seems somwhat unpopular....?
Would there be any other upgrades required on top of the 14 kit or doesit come with all the metal washout hub etc?
Thanks again
Jam R

[Klinger]

Thats pretty much the setup i'm running now. Just changed to the 13T for more HS. Getting around 2100 now which i dont think suits AP very well. Using the same pack and only using 80% i'm getting 8 1/2 to 9 mins hard flying. I dont think you'd stretch that much further by dropping HS alone. Maybe consider dropping pinion size if you knew what HS you were aiming for...maybe down to 11T.
Not sure what the kit comes with although yeah, look for a few upgrades, washout, alu motor mount, perhaps tail thrust bearing kit, stretched?, running 600mm blades? then also heavier boom supports.

[OICU812]

15 minutes is not going to happen unless you goto a 5000+ mah lipo, FP is coming out with some 5000 and 6000+ ones after new year I am told which will be good for you guys looking to use a heli like this for AP work. In all honesty if you want a AP machine and a cost situation you are better off with a Joker and run the big NIMH packs etc,,,, but then you are strapped to it being a AP machine onlyl....Yea combo is ok, a 07 motor would be abit better imho as well a 4000 pack is old technology now by standards, still good packs but not a punchy pack anymore...

[Jam Rectified]

Guys,

Thanks for the info - I do appreciate it. That is a lot of money for a LIPO that isn't ideal.....are there any options out at the moment that would give me a longer flight time? I guess that is why I started thinking about the LOGO 20 or 24 as there would be more options for strapping on the sides than trying to fit underneath....Damn..these things are never easy....I saw some chap selling a 24 bionic on here...looks very nice....and also DG is selling his joker cam for a similar price....problem is I am in the UK ans shipping would cost a fortune for a really big bird...oh well..will carry on researching and see what happend when I have got all my funds together but carry on with any suggestions...a lot of people do use the 10 which would work out a lot cheaper but I am not sure whether it would be up to it...or whether my eyes would be upto it...
Cheers
Jam R

[gordohigh]

You can change the combo's at esprit to suite your needs, and still get the 5 or 6 % discount on the package as I bought all my logo's there and got exactly what I wanted. You can also get you servos, and other stuff and will get the discount on them too if you order all at once.

Call and ask for chandler, he is their heli guy and stays on top of things. I know last year he worked with fema in the gulf coast hurricane recovery using an ap ship he built. I think the design is his, and is quite impressive as to the sophisticated way the video camera mounts and moves on both axis. Anyway, I think it would be worth your while because he has tried almost every combo you can think of..... :D

[Jam Rectified]

Hi there my friend,

Yes, I have been in communication with Chandler and he recommends the stretched LOGO 14, which is similar to what he sells...he seems like a very helpful and friendly chap :noteworthy (although very busy!) I think I should just get my funs together and see what I can afford when I get back from my hols :glasses2:
Thanks for all the input s far.
Cheers
Jam R