View Full Version : Curiosity: anybody with a mars/poseidon going flybarless ?
HornetMaX
06-09-2010, 02:27 AM
All in the subject: anybody with a FBL mars/poseidon ?
Anybody with ideas about how to do it ?
I'm no expert at all, but looking at the head, FBL seems (but surely is not) as simple as:
- remove the flybar and its links (to the swash and to the blade holdres)
- remove the mixing arm from the blade holders
- link the swash directly to the blade holders (maybe you need to tweak the distance between the link ball and the blade axis)
MaX.
praetorious
09-13-2010, 08:32 PM
Yes, you're correct. Of course, you'll prob need the V-stabis system or skookum...
I think though, that you might need some sort of guides for the links from the swash to the blade grips so you don't get any phasing problems.
What you could do, is bend two small pieces of sheet metal at 90 degrees, notch one end for use as a guide for the link, and the adjacent end should be drilled. Leave the flybar globe in about halfway up, and use two bolts long enough to fasten the sheet metal bits to the globe.
Flying Dutchy
09-15-2010, 07:52 AM
I am changing my Protos 500 to a mini -vbar blueline version. It has an AC-3X on it now and I plan to use it to change my Gazaur Mars Pro to flybarless as well. Will post how I do it here as soon as I start the conversion....... :YeaBaby:
I realy look forward to hear about your fbl work on the Gazaur!:)
Flying Dutchy
09-16-2010, 03:59 AM
Yeah it will be cool but don't expect results soon. It shouldn't be that difficult but both my Logo and Protos need a lot of work over the next weeks. After I finish that I will start the Gazaur conversion. I will use an YGE 100ESC which is quite heavy but has a great governor. Then I will strip most of the head and will probably use a Gaui swash follower......
With a good plan half of the jobb is done:thumbup:.
Im playing with plans for my Poseidon..... 6s setup:Bang i have all the stuff to do it right here in my Outrage G5.That one is a "downer" so far... 2-3 bad behaviours on that one!
Gazaur(Poseidon for the 6s) on the other hand has all advantages and screams for a good 6s setup!!
My Mars and Poseidon are so stable that i can keep them in hoover and soon do some simple 3d while i eat my lunch AND make a phone call.....and then just a micro push on the throtle and KABOOM.... NASA!!:clappp
I can not imagine that there exist a greater flyer than the Mars and Poseidon !!!
Flying Dutchy
09-16-2010, 01:08 PM
Sorry to disappoint you in that area but yes, there are much beter flyers out there! As soon as you are getting more into inverted, high speed flying, etc. you will get orientation issues with a 450/480 size bird. From that moment on a larger bird is much better, like a Logo.... :noteworthy
You are right! I should have been more exactly.. best heli amongst the 450s!
Anyway....i think i have started too late with this that someone catch me inverted:oops: and im too old and too deep into flyfishing for trout.
But im happy that i can find greate pleasure in doing nice 8s, mountain steady hoover and simple short autos:YeaBaby:.
I like the process of building,mounting electronics,do nice wiring, find a nice canopy aso.
After the 6s project im 99% sure that i will make one of my Gazaurs fbl!:thumbup:
That would realy be something...... Gazaur Poseidon 480 6s AND fbl!!!!!!:Bang
But first of all i hope this thread can be keept alive!!:hug:
Janosax
10-04-2010, 06:03 PM
Hello,
does anybody tried Gazaur woodies on FBL setup? How is the CG?
I wish to give 340's a try on my Rave/Beastx, I run 3300 HS.
What do you think about this idea? Radix became too heavy on my budget...
Thanks.
Janosax
Why not try some of the less expensive carb. blades they sell on ebay!!
Some months ago i ordered 3pairs of 335 carb mainblades and they are realy good blades at 10usd a pair!! If i remember correct they came with free shipping!!:)
There are also cheaper 340mm and 360mm carbs on ebay!!:thumbup:
Flying Dutchy
10-06-2010, 03:21 AM
And on 3300rpm, woodies will not work!
apollo7
10-26-2010, 10:29 AM
the Gazaur 480 Rotor-machine is undoubtedly THE MOST STABLE mini size R/C Heli in the WORLD.
http://site.mars480.com/gazaur/gazaur_eccpm_system_photo5.jpg
maybe thats why nobody goes flybarless. We already there! :lol:
I will suport your claim any day!!!!!:noteworthy
Flying Dutchy
11-14-2010, 12:11 PM
:-)
Honour to you :thumbup:
Looks realy nice and clean,please come back with some info on how it fly now.
Gazaur is the most stable heli i have tried so it will probably fly very comfortable as fbl.
Flying Dutchy
11-15-2010, 01:06 PM
I only finalised the mechanics (which was really easy to do) and still have to install the AC-3X. That might take another month or so as I am very busy at the moment....... :oops:
apollo7
11-15-2010, 07:20 PM
are you insane? Thats $675.00. :shock:
http://www.helidigital.com/shop/lang-en/flybarless-systems/15-ipod-nano.html
better get some of these while you at it!
http://www.mars480.com/mksds95servo.html
Hope it works. :thinking
Flying Dutchy
11-27-2010, 04:06 PM
Neh, I bought one second hand.... :smokin:
arquitron
11-29-2010, 06:58 AM
Hello Dutchy,
Have you installed and tested the electronics with you flybarless setup? What are the results? We are eagerly waiting what you come up with!
Flying Dutchy
11-29-2010, 08:39 AM
Nope, I am sure it will work fine though. Have been too busy with my PPl(H) so this will take some time.....
arquitron
11-30-2010, 09:01 AM
Good Luck!
Flying Dutchy
03-08-2011, 01:29 PM
Finally found some time to finish it. I maidened the Mars today but saw massive vibes on the sensor. So I changed the foam and will try again tomorrow.... But doesn't it look super cool? :-)
Finally found some time to finish it. I maidened the Mars today but saw massive vibes on the sensor. So I changed the foam and will try again tomorrow.... But doesn't it look super cool? :-)
Yes, it looks realy slick:clappp
I hope you find time to give a build story, tips aso.More pics please?:thumbup:
apollo7
03-08-2011, 03:58 PM
that does look very sharp. looks massive too! :popcorn
Flying Dutchy
03-09-2011, 11:37 AM
No problemo! As I stated before, converting to flybarless is not very difficult. First of all you remove all the flybar stuff and then extend the main blade grip arms to the center of the boom. I used Gazaur parts for it that came out of the spare box but I don't know which part it is (see picture) so it is a longer screw, the standard ball and then this Gazaur part. I put some CA in the inner cups where the dampening rubbers go in to make the head a bit stiffer. Then I installed longer control links directly from the blad grip arms to the swash.
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=6021
Last thing I did is install a swash follower.
http://www.fast-lad.co.uk/store/mik04337_mikado_flybarless_swashplate_driver_size_ helicopter-p-9269.html
And of course a flybarless unit (in my case an AC-3X)
Ow and I also replaced the 65MG analog cyclic servo's with the s3156 digitals as this works better with a flybarless unit. I have the 5083MG narrow pulse servo on the tail
Yes, it looks realy slick:clappp
I hope you find time to give a build story, tips aso.More pics please?:thumbup: