CC HV 110/ My take on it.

[EricLarson]

Sounds good Clint. I am looking forward to getting more time on mine. I need to iron down my RF issue but I am sure I will figure it out soon.

The power vs flight time makes sense. The Kontronik works in a very different way than the CC control. The Kontronik uses a variable timing system and their systems tend to be very efficient. Up until this latest software for CC the Jazz was also the only control I was able to get the Gov to work on.

The new Software for CC seems to be working well. I was happy with the performance of the 110HV. Just need to get more time on it. I also really appreciate the excellent quality of their USA factory support. Getting USA tech and repair support is a huge deal and makes the CC option even more appealing.

At this point I am very optimistic with with the CC controls. I know the Kontronic is "plug and play" and they just work flawless, but in doing so they are a bit limiting. The CC are VERY adjustable and allow for tons of tweaking for individual desires.

[Clintstone]

Well put Eric, I am well over 100 flights on the Ion and the Razor got a good workout today also.

[misskimo]

Clint , Sounds like you had a Blast , I know Chris has been pushing the ESC since day 1 , what 2 years ago , and CC has finally fixed its issues for heli use ,
Kontronics and actronics use to be the only 2 that had great govs , but both seam to have limit. CC has fixed there gov , and also Schulze has a plug and play ESC too , but kinda pricy. CC , priced right , here in the USA, Yeh!
Dang 100 flight already , takes me 2 years to get 100 flights unless I fly in my Gym.
CC 45 has also been known to be a bit noisy for RF issues, to help solve this problem , twist the esc throttle wire going to the rx , and also twist the 3 motorlead wires a few turns , you can also add the little ferit ring off the kontronics too. and make sure the esc is clearly away from the rx and the antanna wire or whip.

[Chachin]

Excellent info on CC guys. I never even bothered to try a CC ESC due to all the problems they've been known to have. I witnessed (on other people's helis) glitching, cut-outs, jerky spool up, etc... It sounds as if this has all finally been fixed now :D.

I already have a Jazz55 waiting for my Razor and on my other .50 size and smaller helis, but I'll keep an eye on the American made :wink: CC's now. Thanks for the info!

Chachin..

[EricLarson]

I have also had mixed results in the past with the HV series but have been very happy with some of their other controls. So far so good. I will be happy once I get another month or two under my belt with them. Also I would like to see more of our team guys that I trust a lot flying them and giving feedback.

You will be happy with the Jazz. It just works plain and simple.

[Clintstone]

As Eric said , you will be happy witht he Jazz as I have over 500 flights on mine. This thread was not meant to beat on the Jazz but to give good info on the setup and use of the CC controls. As Eric said several of our Team Members will also be running the CC controls and I will be interested in seeing their feedback too.

[EricLarson]

I think the CC has HUGE potential and the fact they are USA based is also HUGE.

There is ton's of great equipment out there. We all want the CC control to be the very best available but all of use want to be pretty darn sure before sticking our necks out and recommending things :) I really thank Clint for all of the great info and time spent on this. He has taken the lead and has done a great job!

[OICU812]

Clint what were the final settings and results of the 85HV on your Razor? Would be interesting to see you settings and results on that as well and would provide an excellent base for those who get the 85 and a Razor as well, just a thought and thanks for all your work on the matter. :)

[Clintstone]

Shawn , I will post the settings after I get home tomorrow.............the trucjk is loaded and I am going to a Toy for Tots fund raiser tomorrow. Claxton GA if anybody wants to go.

The settings are pretty simillar to the HV110. I will post the info and pictures of the install.

[Greg Alderman]

Damn Clint...if you had given me a couple of day heads up I might have driven down...now I am low on working heli's and already made plans for tomorrow that I can't back out of...

[Clintstone]

I forgot , sorry Greg.

[Greg Alderman]

I forgive you.......have fun....

[Clintstone]

Shawn, these are the settings for the Razor with HV85. I am using a 14mz and the throttle value on Throttle Curve are as follows. 37 - 1700, 40-1860, 45-1975. I am flying the HS at 1975 with the tango 45-08 and I am getting 6 min no problem and I can stretch the flight but at 6 min. I have great power and I am not getting in trouble with taking the packs too low. Depending on flying style you could easily see 6 to 7 min. with the 3700's. I always recomend starting with a shorter flight and then extending according to what your style will allow. Use the 80% rule and you will be fine.

Will and I setup his Ion on the phone with my ion settings and my 14 setting and we will see if he has the same result as me. He should fly it today so he will add feedback asap. The 85 is working well and everything has been very consistant. I am very pleased wuith the results.



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Brake Ramp: Super Slow
Cutoff Voltage: 180
Hex55: 85
Brake Strength: 0
Direction: Forward (*)
Spool-Up Speed: 6
Throttle Type: Heli: Governor High
Current Limiting: Disabled
Brake Delay: No Delay
Motor Start Power: 2.125
Throttle Response: 2
Motor Timing: Standard Advance (*)
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
PWM Rate: 13khz (*)
Governor Gain: 24.2857142857143

[buster1]

clint, what benefits are you seeing over the Jazz controller,
Thanks,
Jeff

[Clintstone]

It seems to be delivering more power and the abillity to fine tune the settings are benificial. The gov. works great and I like being able to set my own soft start. I have had no trouble with the Jazz but I was looking for another option. The Jazz is plug and play but I feel the hv85 works just as well, but you can fine tune if you choose to and you have the ability to move to 12s later if you choose. I have had over 500 flights on my jazz and the combination of my 85 and 110 is approaching 200 flights so onlty time will tell on the longevity.
I tried the 85 after running the 110 on the ion and as I wanted to see how good the 85 worked compared to the Jazz.

[Clintstone]

I changed my Ion back to 10 to 1 from 9.6 to 1 and left all the settings the same. I was running the HS at 9.6 to 1 at 3 settings 1800, 1900, and 2100. I prefered the HS at 1800 because the Gov worked the best for me at this speed. After switching to the 10 to 1 ratio I shot the head with the Tach at the same setting and I notice 100 rpm drop on the same settings. Again the lower HS was my favorite as the Gov worked the best for me at these settings. A quick note: I plan on running the 105 tails at 1700 as the torque is too much for the 95's on hard climb outs as I am running 13.5 degrees of pitch. I am also looking at running 710's at these lower HS. I am seeing about 1 min longer flights with the 10 to 1 settup and the batteries are cooler as there is less demand and the power is still good. A big electric heli with a low HS is cool.

[WillJames]

Will and I setup his Ion on the phone with my ion settings and my 14 setting and we will see if he has the same result as me. He should fly it today so he will add feedback asap. The 85 is working well and everything has been very consistant. I am very pleased wuith the results.


I just finished working on my Ion-X!! RX 1800mah FlightPower Li-Po charging now. Need to install the main blades then ready to go. I am SUPER excited to see how it performs with the CC-110 with Clint's mojo setup and back to 10:1 for some GOV mode. 1700 N, 1800 I1 2000 I2, may try a set of 710's on it if all goes well. Thank you Clint, you ROCK!!

[Clintstone]

We got to fly Will's heli yesterdday and it was rocking. I will say that the settings we transfered via internet file worked perfectly and his heli flew just like mine. Nice Job Will.

[EricLarson]

My 110HV is working well on 12S also. My settings are just a bit different but similar. I think I ended up around 50-55% on the throttle curve and gov gain is around 30 with a 2150 headspeed swinging 710's. That is also on a Neu 1521-1.5Y.

Seems to be working well and the gov is keeping up nicely.

[WillJames]

I LOVE my Ion at 1800. So different, supoer powerful but completely controllable power. Clint insisted I fly his at the end of the day before I had to leave. MAN you can tell when you fly somebody's heli that actually flys and tweaks on it. If I had 2 identical Ion's to Clints, I would not need any other helis to have all the fun and flying I could ever want. I am going to get a second Ion-X, it RULES!!.

[WillJames]

Here is the HV-85 Setup Video with Clint Akins Link

http://www.helifreak.com/viewtopic.php?p=215827

[EricLarson]

The low head speeds had some nice efficiency advantages and seem to work pretty well for the Actro. I flew some and it was nice.

I have found a nice balance with the Neu 1521. 5.5-6 min on 4350, 2180 starting HS and 2150 at 5 min. Seems to pull down to about 2100 under load. I have about 13 degrees of pitch in it and the blades bark pretty loud. I don't think I can run more pitch without a lot of stall.

I know a lot depends on blades also. We bolted on a set of V's that Bert let me try and lost exactly 1 min of flight time. Same everything. It bit harder and was more aggressive so I think if I would have backed off the cyclic and pitch some it would be close to the same. It was a good test though as we flew it back to back with exact same setup, packs, and weather.

Bert said he was able to get similar peak power on the 10S setup but never had the consistency or pure clean power for the entire flight. That is what I was looking for. More consistent and longer flight times. The Neu is also just so clean on power and very very consistent. I really like how easy it is on the packs.

Heck for power Mike Demita had a Neu ORK in his heli and it was ballistic. It only flew for 3 min but it was ballistic :) The sounds it was making also indicated it may not last all that long :shock: The power output was impressive.

I am sure glad you guys are getting good results! Ton's of ways to set these things up for different flying styles and power packages. It is also nice to see the CC controls working with all of the different setups.

[misskimo]

hey , Yeh the Ork should be a great motor , I have a new version ORK to try , its the 1915 1.5 Y KV 450 , theses motor wake up at 30000 RPMs just like the kontronics motors , they are also 8 pole, kontronics are 6 poles, huh? to get my motor rpms where it should be , 15s :WOW only gives me 26000 rpms , should be fun with some lite 2200 TPs extremes

[MadMan]

The noise, I figured out, was damage to the cylinder/shaft thing the one-way rides on from our tries with that helical main gear and the 1515. It was eaten up pretty good. Sanded it and the noise got much better. Got a new one and new one-way coming.

NEU's rock in general.

[Clintstone]

Looks like crazy power. WOW?