Planning for next summer

[MAIONX]

Dane, don't go stupid mate. At least you have the parts now right??..

[mr 3d]

guys read wat i said iv been ordering off ricks for years and they were always the best but i just dont understand why my dealer got wat i orderd from ma when ricks couldnt and still cant i have the whole deal in my hand 100 tooth main gear adptor the works if i knew my local ma dealer could have got it all along i would have just orderd from him in the first place but why ricks keeps saying they cant get i dont understand as it is available MY DEALER JUST GOT IT wen they couldnt i just feel i wasted my time waiting for ricks to get and them telling me it wasnt available wen it was all along

[ClayK]

So you come on here and blast Karen about it? That just doesn't make sense to me.

What reason would Karen have to lie to you? She doesn't. Why would Ricks want to not ship you a part or not have your business? They want business. That's their job, to get parts.

So let me see if I got this straight...

You've been ordering from Ricks for years.
You call, ask for a part.
They don't have it and they tell you they have to backorder it.
You really want the part, so you tell them ok.
You want the part badly, but you don't check other distributors (even your local one).
You wait 'weeks' for the parts, all the while calling Ricks and not calling anyone else to see if they even have it in stock.
You finally break down and check your local distributor and they either have it, or can get it.
You get the part and then you come on here and blast Karen.


How can you not see a flaw in that thought process? While I am sure Ricks appreciates your loyalty in waiting to see if they can get the part, but you failed to exhaust all possibilities of obtaining the part. Then you come on here and blame Karen like it's her fault. It's not her fault you can't problem solve.

You still owe her an apology, she did nothing wrong. In fact, she tried to help you as best as she could. Ron and Karen both came on here and confirmed that, even though they shouldn't have to.

[mr 3d]

clay mate read what i said they are claiming and telling me its out of stock wen its not it never was otherwise i would not have the part sitting here read rons post its not available for anouther 2 weeks thats crap as 1 just turned up i fully inderstand why u guys stik up for ricks as they are the best around thats why i buy off them and why u guys to but somthing is not right with this order couse ron claims he still cant get it BUT THE GUY IN AUS CAN what makes him so difernt why can rotomotion in aus get it and ricks cant couse karen said its out of stock ron says its out of stok but IT IS IN STOCK its a fact as i have one in my hands do u not see were im coming from somwere in this chain somone is lieing as i have the part here not and ron claims not instok for 2 weeks if ron cindi karen gave me a answer i will opoligise no prob but please guys look at it from my side im a loyal ricks buyer myself but this time somthin is just not right

[ClayK]

They can't get it in, they checked. They gain NOTHING from lying to you. In my opinion, they don't have to "prove" anything. They have proven in the past time and again they are a reputable seller and assets to this hobby.

Karen said
I have called and emailed Cyndi@MA a dozen times since you have placed the order trying to get an ETA on this part. Everytime she has stated that the 100 tooth main gear is not available at this time to complete the set. If you dont belive me....ask her.

From my understanding per Cyndi, Australia has a MA distributor (Rotamotion). they gets their parts from the MA in the US.
if the Australian distributor ordered the MA124-110 before MA in the states ran out of the 100 tooth main gear, they would have the gear. we ordered the MA124-110 after MA ran out of the gear. we do not have the MA124-110 or the MA0865-100. we can not get them right now. they are on back order.

and Ron said
We buy these from Miniature. Miniature told us they were out of stock and she forwarded Miniature's email saying that.

They both came on here stating they couldn't get it. Ron said Karen forwarded an email to you from Cyndi confirming such. I would say that is sufficient proof. You are in the wrong, period. I don't know how much more plain it can be without it being drawn in Crayons on a big white sheet of paper for you.

[mr 3d]

here lets settle this this is a post from minairchris ask him weather it was out of stock i know what he will tell u we had it all along read this .................................................. .................................The Actro conversion kit or 124-110 complete with the 100 tooth gear is available from us direct or can be ordered through our distributors. I make those up myself but usually there are one or two in stock here at all times. There was a time of several months where I could'nt make them up as we had no 10 tooth pinions, but that is over now......................he posted this about after about 2 weeks of me waiting for ricks to get it come on guys im not a nasty person just see it from my side i loved geting stuff from ricks but there is somthing wrong here and its not me

[epc2]

Mr 3d,

I know sometimes we feel bad when we want a part badly and we can't get it , but as a Rick's customer and as somebody that talks with Karen everytime I place an order I can tell you that if she told you that it wasn't in stock it wasn't cuz if something they want to do is sell ,I don't understand why you're saying that they were lying???.

Remember that companies have different distribution policies it's possible that MA had one at the moment but was not for the US market and when Karen asked for it MA said that it was out of stock cuz it was for the Australian or Europen market.

Sometimes you want to get something from the distributor and they don't have it while the dealer does and viceversa.

IMO you still own an apology to Karen .

epc2.

[mr 3d]

clay mate geez i understand what ur saying but read what im saying mate I Have the parts fresh from ma the bag i have here was in min airs warehouse 14 days ago now its at my house somone is talking crap COUSE ITS NOT OUT OF STOCK read wat minairchris posted simple

[misskimo]

hey , ok , let see here , you got the actro motor mount that suppose to included motor pinion shaft , motor plate , brass spacer rings, screws , and suppose to have the 100t main gear all in ONE package , but you dont have the 100t main gear , right ? when MA first come out with the actro kit , it included the gear in the package (95t), maybe thats where its all messed up , the package deal,
I can completely understand getting a tad upset! got a high dollar Ion sitting there waiting on 1 part to arrive so you can fly this new bird ,
like I said before , use the 95t main till the 100t makes it in ,
chill!!! Wayne :?

[Rickster]

I agree, this has gone on too long. :arggg: . I do not think anything more will accomplished. In a nut shell your AUS dealer is obviously a much better dealer than anyone here in the USA :badair: , including the manufacturer, so if I were you I would continue to do business with him and not trouble yourself with all these incompetent USA dealers and manufacturers... :glasses2:

There, that is obviously what you want to here so now it is done... :twisted:

Rick :bomb:

[WillJames]

The two single stage kits I bought for my machines did NOT come with the 100T main gear. When the 100T main gears became available I bought them separately.

[TomC]

Well I truly think that this issue has been beaten into submission! Please don't go girlie and have to have the last word (like my wife). Let's get back to the topic, Summer projects. Thanks.

Cheers,

Tom C

[1pilotswife]

Dane,

My husband flies helis and on the weekends, we open our home and land to about 10 pilots and their families. Believe me, I understand the frustration that you have
right now not being able to get the parts that you need.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE MA124-110 or the MA0865-100 (100 tooth main gear). i have called MA a dozen times and have asked about an ETA on these two parts.
Cyndi at MA has told me the same thing over and over again, "we are waiting ont he 100 tooth main gears to get here"


in all honesty, on friday, when i read your post, i was furious. i was really mad that you were able to come up with the part when Cyndi has been telling me for one month that the part is not available. i was so mad, i called Cyndi. i thought "what the hell, i have been waiting on this part for a month and it is shipped somewhere else" ERRRRG. When i asked Cyndi about it, this is what she told me............

the main "home" for MA is in the USA. they are the distributor of parts to the hobby shops in the USA.

MA-USA is the supplier of MA parts to the Australian distributor (rotamation). all of the Australian hobby shops get their parts from here.

If the Australian distributor ordered the MA124-110 or the MA0865-100 from MA-USA before MA-USA ran out, they would have the parts in their warehouse....waiting on a local hobby shop to buy it.

THAT IS WHY YOU WERE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE PARTS THAT YOU NEED FROM AU AND NOT FROM US.

when we ordered the part from MA-USA, they were out of the parts. BACKORDERED. we have to buy our parts from MA-USA. we do not know what is in someone elses store or warehouse. What i do know is that we do not have the MA124-110 OR the MA0865-100 and at this time. we can not get it. That is the truth.


this is my last replay regarding this topic. I dont think it is going to matter what i say because you have defiantly made up your mind that we screwed you around.
i know that when it comes down to the bottom line, i did everything that i could to try and get this part for you.

I hope that you do get all the parts that you need to put your baby back together soon.

Karen
Rick's R/C helicopters

[buster1]

that is the longest run-on sentence I have ever seen.

[WillJames]

Thanks for posting Karen. Many Many Many of us know you and know you do nothng but try to help. Sometimes you cannot please everyone. Last order I had with Rick's a couple of weeks ago, you emailed me telling me something was out of stock, I emailed back saying to just drop that from my order and I had the rest of the order in a day. You guys do a GREAT job, 99.9% of us know that, and appreciate you guys very much. Ron and company are great people and we all know that.

You posting here shows how approachable you are and anyone who cannot see it for what it is needs a reality check.

Personally, I think mr 3d owes you an apology, but I have 2 one used and one new of the 100T main gears I am willing to send him, it it will help. If you want a gear, 3d PM me, or as has been stated before, use the 95T until they get in stock. Since the Ion-X is the only MA machine that uses the 100T main gear, it is very likely nobody has a lot of them.

Thank you!!

[ronlund]

Dane,

I don't know you and I don't know how you define "In Stock", but when we say we don't have it "In Stock", that means we don't have the item. That doesn't mean the item isn't "In Stock" somewhere else. If we say "We don't have it", that means we (Rick's) don't have it. I don't know how long Rotomotion had it in stock or when they actually ordered it. The fact that they had it in stock when you got it from them has nothing to do with us or whether or not we were able to get it from Miniature Aircraft. The fact is, we couldn't get one and we still can't. If Rotomotion ordered another one today, they wouldn't be able to get it either.

Just for a second, imagine this. Let's say you tried to get it from Rotomotion and they said they didn't have it in stock, but they would order it. They check and find out it will be a month before they can get it. You get tired of waiting, so you start looking around. Now let's say that you call us and we do have it in stock. Does that make Rotomotion a liar? I don't think so, but maybe in your mind it does.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of this whole discussion. If you don't understand what I just said, it means I won't be making anymore posts to this thread and neither will Karen or anyone else from Rick's. Good Bye.

:arggg:
Ron

[WillJames]

Also, something to consider.

1. The Ion-X belt drive is in final testing and very close to retail sales. (Yes I know for 100% certainty it is :smokin: )
2. The Ion-X is the only MA machine to use the 100T Main gear that has to be cut out of Delrin at high expense of time to deal with the subcontractor and cost to MA. Chris is who pushed and got MA to have them made especially for the 32-3 and other low KV outrunners, thank you Chris, options are nice to have.
3. The Ion-X belt drive will share a belts and pulleys with the Razor belt drive as Chris and other have stated. THis means a lot of places will stock them.

You might want to stock up on 100T main gears if you plan not to go with the belt setup.

[TomC]

Will,

Dumb question, but will the current 32-3, 100t gear users to be able to easily convert to the belt drive, and why would they want to?

Cheers,

Tom C

[WillJames]

It is an easy conversion, I have seen Clint's machine, I have heard Chris talk about it a lot, and it is working very well. You know MA is going to fully test it before it is released, which will be very soon. I know this for sure.

People will want to convert to belt because: (These are off the top of my head so YMMV, but this is why I will be converting to Belt Drive)
1. You can change ratios in about 5 minutes, for instance 9.6:1 to 10:1 takes the exchange of one pulley, from a 24 to a 25 on the jackshaft for instance.
2. You can have basically any ratio you need which opens up a lot of motor choices.
3. It will share belts and pulleys with the Razor, so they will be stocked in a lot of places.
4. To better take advantage of GOV mode on the new generation of ESC's. Gear up and give the GOV headroom to work well.
5. Tailor the MA machine around your personal flying style
6. To run 10s, 12s, or higher s like misskimo. ;) (the BIG powerhouse on the playground, he has GOBS of power, I have seen it!! :shock: )
7. Get the performance you want, but setup for the easiest demand on your motor, packs and ESC. Make them last as long as possible.
8. It is super cool!! Yea Baby, I likes that!!

[misskimo]

Hey Will , Well Said , You will Like the Belt drive :mrgreen: . 10 to 1 gov it down , ADD some PITCH :WOW with the new crop of batteries , and hang on . hope the CC is a problemless ESC. less weight compare to the spare esc you have , which I only have one of those now instead of 3 , schulze 40-160s .
I sure like my line up of helis from MA. 4 Ions might be alittle on the heavy side for having so many , but I dont like to change this and that on 1 Ion all the time , so Im ganna set them all up with different power demands , from High HS blade ripping , neck snapping . short flight time to a long long flight of smooth smack with low HS and alot of pitch. 800 mm heli I will set it up for long flights , still havnt made up my mind on which one to make a VStabi yet , 800 mm looks to be it , but I might try it out with a flybar first . :arggg:
and yes I will still have a heli useing HV, got some 14s 3400s I need to test . should be fun. as soon as spring hits :arggg: 4 months away.


Tony

[TomC]

Great, thanks Will. Now I really can hardly wait till the belt mod is out!

Are there any negatives to the use of a belt? I have 'heard' that they are not as efficient as direct gear drives or is this efficiency loss insignificant? Thanks.

Cheers,

Tom C

[gordohigh]

Tony, nice fleet of Ion's........Noone can accuse you of being anything but an MA guy.

Hope to see some video's from these birds when flying season starts for you again... :)