Kontronik vs Castle

[Mystic3D]

I think the CC Ice is a pretty nice ESC, before the Ice I did not care for the Phoenix Line.
So I have two Jazz 40-6-18's in my 450's. Always work well, no drama, the spool up and the governor is silky smooth. Do not have to waste ANY time with setup, they just work.
So I did something dumb and soldered a battery connector on backwards and smoked my Jazz. So I go buy an Ice 50 Lite as a replacement. First impression, looks like circuit board with heat shrink(looks cheap). Go to use it, nice that I can link to it with my computer and update it. BUT..... I ended up spending a LOT OF TIME getting it
to run right as so many parameters to deal with.
So I go buy a Jazz and sell the Ice 50, much better....

So then on the 700E I decide to go Ice 80HV and CC BEC Pro, then I start reading about BEC failure, and Ice failures. So before I even spool it up, I go get a Jive 80HV, bult in BEC, Reliable, Very Crash resistant. Program mode 1, 9,10,11 and go.

We like them becasue they work, simple, effective, no drama...

[OICU812]

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=230493

http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t597466p1/

http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t595276p1/

[worldofmaya]

I'm not a big fan of CC after several hours working on their governor. This was two years ago. I didn't upgrade since and I fly my Logo at airplane mode. Everything controlled by my transmitter. And I have to say it seams like if you get a good one you can't kill it. I used 6s, 10s, 12s and different kind of A123 configs on this Esc. Different motors from 4020-1100, through different 4025 (1100,740,630) and now a custom 4225. Especially the last one in usage now takes as much current as it gets. No sign that my CC gives up...
Seams like there're still some good examples. I've read about several burned CC's, Dead Esc's and motors because of a new firmware, ......
But I too read/heard about crashed 90s because the Kontronik BEC in a Jive gave up, damaged helicopters because the jive shut-down... problems with 8-Pole-motors, Hacker and even their own motors....

At the end it's just a mixture of luck and effort. No question, a Jive is the easiest to setup, Great motor-management and a good BEC which saves around 100g compared to a CC with WR SuperBec.
CC sells an Esc which seams to be able to pull lot's of current through. Motor management is by not even close to Kontronik. The governor is much softer than a kontronik, which could be a good thing too...
And of course the ICE-Line features the best logger one is able to get.
But at the end if you just want to fly, you want a reliable product with an BEC integrated in an HV Esc and money doesn't matter... Kontronik is the way to go.
Another great governor witch is on bar with Kontronik would be YGE...
If money is a factor or you love thinks you could play with... than CC is the way to go.
-Klaus

btw. I'm not a big fan of Kontronik too,,,

[sgrim80]

btw. I'm not a big fan of Kontronik too,,,

Ok then, since you aren't a big fan of the 2 MAJOR ESC manufacturers in the world, you either are difficult to please, or you like something else...what is it?

[OnTheSnap]

Great, another thread that makes me afraid to fly and enjoy my Logo (which has a CC80HV). Yah the gov sorta sucks. But does it need to burst into flames also? :arggg::arggg:

:hammer:hammer

[Mystic3D]

snap,

I would not sweat it too much. Remember there are many times more CC ESC's Sold than Kontronik. I had a Jazz burn up on me.... Of course I had the positive and negative power leads reversed..:arggg:
Up early in the AM and soldered one of the 4 new battery connector's backwards

[Big Fil]

Ok then, since you aren't a big fan of the 2 MAJOR ESC manufacturers in the world, you either are difficult to please, or you like something else...what is it?

He did state what he liked...........YGE.

[sgrim80]

He did state what he liked...........YGE.

Haha good call...I CLEARLY missed it hahaha. Sorry Worldofmaya.

[worldofmaya]

Ok then, since you aren't a big fan of the 2 MAJOR ESC manufacturers in the world, you either are difficult to please, or you like something else...what is it?

Hehe... it's not the product itself which is a good for certain applications with some restrictions ;) and yes I'm hard to please, Mikado can tell you a story...
As written in my post... there're three products with pro and cons but all three can be used. For really extreme situations I would favour YGE. I'm already using a LV (only down-side is the BEC) and my next HV Esc will be sold at YGE.

Haha good call...I CLEARLY missed it hahaha. Sorry Worldofmaya.
:)
-Klaus

[Inverse]

CC v Kontronic
Ford v Chevy
Your sports team v My sports team
VBar v everyone else

Fanboys be fanboys.

[NTM]

CC v Kontronic
Ford v Chevy
Your sports team v My sports team
VBar v everyone else

Fanboys be fanboys.



That'd be ford vs. bmw.
Just like castle and kontronik esc's, I've owned both, and there's certainly no comparison in quality and performance.
The only real issue is cost, and whether or not you can afford it.

[worldofmaya]

That'd be ford vs. bmw.
From a European point of view... more like Ford vs Porsche :)
I think this resembles better the price tag and the volume.
Okay... after a great flight day with whatever Esc one uses let's go and get a :cheers
-Klaus

[Big Fil]

Okay... after a great flight day with whatever Esc one uses let's go and get a :cheers
-Klaus

Amen brotha! But is does your beer taste great, or is it less filling? LOL

[flymustangs]

Well, I didn't want to fret over the CC ESC or Pro BEC failing on the Logo 600 today so I just flew the turbine! No ESC of any brand to worry about. :smokin:

[litespeed]

Well, I didn't want to fret over the CC ESC or Pro BEC failing on the Logo 600 today so I just flew the turbine! No ESC of any brand to worry about. :smokin:

Sounds like you should be or could be driving a Porsche!

One day I'll pay for this I know but until then....... Another 8 flights on my el-cheap-O Ice 100 in the Logo 500, got lucky again!

I'd rather be lucky than good!

I did go shopping for a Jive 120HV and there are none to be had on this side of the pond but I did find one at Fast lad with the program card "II" and the heat sink for under 500 bux shipped to me so the cost is actually affordable comparably speaking from the shops over here. I wouldn't mind getting one of these for my Trex 700e.

Tom

[flymustangs]

I guess the subtle point I was trying to make was that just because you can buy the most expensive piece of equipment doesn't mean it's the best value. I did find a Jive 80HV from a fellow freak so I am going to give it another try. Hopefully, my skills have improved enough where I'll be able to tell the difference.

Yeah, I do have a turbine heli, but it's probably the least expensive one out there as well. That doesn't mean it's cheap, though. :YeaBaby:

[im4711]

Listening to all your talk about how great the Kontronik is I decided to replace the speed controller on my TRex 500 with a Kontronik Jive 80. (I know a bit of overkill).
Got it all setup and guess what -> for now I am very unhappy. I plug in the battery and - nothing. In order to have the speed controller come to live I have to now unplug the wire to the throttle channel and plug it back in. I will try to fly tomorrow but have to say that does not seem to be right.

[NTM]

You need to rebind your reciever.
The jive is seeing a throttle signal as it's initiallizing before your reciever.

[OICU812]

And always rebind at middle stick with throttle hold on for sure this way nothing can or will arm till it sees zero throttle.

[jvthert]

Does that also work with a Vstabi with satellites? I am not too thrilled by the fact my heli initializes even if I don't have my radio powered on. This problem is nonexistent with my other heli where the Vbars has no satellites.

[Laughingstill]

My two cents:

I have owned 10 or so CC ESCs over the years and then I tried a Kontronik...never went back. I recently and stupidly tried a CC BEC that came with a heli I got used and it lasted 10 flights before it popped, fried, and took out my Kontronik ESC also :mad: so I am done the CC forever!
I have yet to see someone try a Kontronik and go back to a CC. I have seen PLENTY go the other way though :)........Ron

[flymustangs]

I have yet to see someone try a Kontronik and go back to a CC. I have seen PLENTY go the other way though :)........Ron

See my first post. :confused:

[perfeet]

I even have a Kontronik Jazz ESC in my Parkzone Habu EDF jet. Very smooth on the throttle.

Not going back, once you see the light :lol:

[Laughingstill]

Nobody offered up any data so I did some research on my own. I went back and looked at an eagletree log I had from a Logo 500 running a Jive. Unfortunately, I couldn’t seem to get the settings correct so the data didn’t look right. It probably wasn’t a good choice for comparison anyway because the flight was pretty tame.




Not quite fair if you didn't get it set up right.....right?

[flymustangs]

The Jive was set up just fine including the throttle endpoint calibration. I was referring to the eagletree. I couldn't seem to duplicate the settings that were used when the data was originally taken so I didn't use that data for my comparision. That's why I used the graph from the power systems thread.