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Anyone want to buy this synergy? I'm thinking $15 is a fair price given the unholy amount of frustration you are going to go through attempting to complete the build. Not to mention all the parts you will need to buy to replace the ones that are completely screwed up from trying convince part A that it really does fit inside of part B.
-syn
MICHAEL
12-08-2006, 05:34 AM
whats up with that, i was looking at getting a N9 because the aurora is not out yet but i don't know now. I have seen a lot of posts from ya with problems so i think the aurora looks like the one. Good luck on finishing it mate.
DavidH
12-08-2006, 09:37 AM
I have seen a lot of posts from ya with problems so i think the aurora looks like the one. Good luck on finishing it mate.
That is an interesting comment. I am not knocking the heli. But what makes you think there will not be problems with the heli that has yet to come out. So far all that has been seen is a few proto type models.
David
MICHAEL,
Please don't take my opinion of the heli and make a decision, I'm not nearly experienced enough to have other people basing that decision on my thoughts! :? I just know that in comparison to my raptor, this thing has been a total pain to build, but all of the "high end" birds may be like that for all I know. After it is done once, I'm sure it would be much easier, but my god that first time is a biotch. The main things that I've had issues with are:
- getting the engine/fan hub/fan shroud configuration setup properly so that nothing wobbles or rubs on the shroud
- having to order shims for the head block that were missing from the kit, see this post (http://www.helifreak.com/viewtopic.php?t=24593)
- replacing main collar shaft due to bad threads in one of the holes
- and most recently, getting the bearing supports for the torque tube to actually go on the tube... I'll be ordering replacements today since the bearing couldn't stand up to all the pressure that had to be used to accomplish this.
Anyway, if you do get one, just save yourself some headaches and go buy an arbor press. There are just too many things on this heli that need to be pressed together to attempt doing it without one.
-syn
flyinfool
12-08-2006, 01:26 PM
$15 huh.
I'll have to think about it some. :roll:
From your last post it just sounds like some more building experiance and tools are needed.
There is a correct way to press bearings in place not damage them.
I've pressed bearings before, but these have to be pressed together after they are already on a shaft, otherwise it is almost impossible to get the entire assembly on the shaft. Having to attempt to "phanagle" that assembly and shaft under the press ended up with a little bit of side pressure on the bearing that obviously damaged it.
Thats not my point though, there just seems to be a better way to go about doing the whole thing. How about instead of making it where the entire bearing assembly barely fits on the shaft, you make it so that the assembly can easily fit on the shaft at the ends and then have a portion on the torque tube with raised splines in the spots where the supports need to go. That way would allow you to assemble the bearing assembly off of the tube and easily put it on once built. Then once you needed to force the assembly onto the splines you could simply drill a hole in a block of wood to allow the shaft to go through and then tap the torque tube to get the bearings on the splines. Am I crazy or does that sound much better than having to shove the assembly the whole way down the torque tube???
Don't get me wrong here guys, I'm not knocking the whole heli, there are areas of it that I absolutely love. The head built extremely quickly and easily, as did the servo tray, which I absolutely love. There just seems to be a few things that (to me) appear to be overly complicated for no reason.
-syn
flyinfool
12-08-2006, 03:18 PM
Having not yet seen one in person, I can't really comment on your specific issues.
Pics could help here.
However "tapping" a bearing on is never an accepted practice.
It would be rare to get a block of wood to not damage a bearing while pressing it on.
When you need to press a bearing into place, all pressure must be applied to only the race that is being pressed. meaning that if you are pressing the bearing onto a shaft all force must be applied only to the inner race, if force is applied to the outer race the bearing will be damaged.
Same applies to pressing a bearing into a bore, all force must be applied to only the outer race or the bearing will be damaged.
A wood block will compress enough to apply force to both races and damage the bearing.
MICHAEL
12-08-2006, 05:42 PM
I have seen a lot of posts from ya with problems so i think the aurora looks like the one. Good luck on finishing it mate.
That is an interesting comment. I am not knocking the heli. But what makes you think there will not be problems with the heli that has yet to come out. So far all that has been seen is a few proto type models.
David
Your right, i like the synergy and can get a lot of help from a local synergy team pilot but its just that i may have problems building it. As for the aurora its not going to be released anytime soon so i think i will end up with the n9. :)
Scooterpilot
12-08-2006, 06:09 PM
I'll give you a $100.00 for it :glasses2:
wore-out-pilot
12-09-2006, 09:14 AM
:arggg: If you would have put the bearing into the outer cup and them put that with the inner bearing in a vise and line it up and crank it down a little will pop right in. Then put on o-ring and slide it on torque tube. :bomb: Mine was a little tight but was not a problem. Same way with the horizontal fin clamp and tail control rod bushing. I'm 63 years young and if I can do it anyone can.
Remember to read the first part of manual. If you are new to the hobby we strongly recommend seeking the help and advicefrom an experienced modeler. The Synergy N9 was not intended for the beginner or novice building, setup or flying. I'm working on my second N9 and it is a really great heli. Take your time and ask questions or get advice from some of the people at your field. Once you are done you will love the way it fly's. Jason is my hero. :smokin:
Chuckie
12-09-2006, 01:49 PM
syn,
I've not had to build my bearing supports so I've asked others to help. Here is Bob Johnston's repley after reading your post.
"The best way to do this is to press the bearings in using a vice or just firm pressure from the handle of a hammer but on no account hit them with anything.
It really helps to warm the plastic first to soften them a little.
I presume when he said they have to be assembled in place that the bearing is compressing the inner support so making it a tight fit on the tube, in which case he just needs to roll a tube of sandpaper and sand the inside of the inner bearing support a little."
Bob has some good advise, warm the plastic.
Regards,
Charles
wore-out-pilot:
I put one of the supports together off of the torque tube using an arbor press and that part went fine. The problem was then trying to get that joker on the tube... I ended up deforming one end of the plastic inner race (terminology?), so I attempted to do the whole process on the tube for the second support.... that was obviously a bad decision. :) As for pilots to talk to at the field... I'm the most active heli pilot around. Unless I feel like driving an hour and 45 minutes away each weekend! :shock:
Chuckie:
Heating up the plastic sounds like it just might do the trick! That never crossed my mind. If it doesn't work, I'll give the sandpaper idea a try. The replacement parts were ordered on friday and should be here by Wed... until then I'll just be waiting... everything is waiting on those. A local hobby shop that carried these sure would be nice. By the way, i finally got the engine alignment/runout issue resolved. I'll post a new thread on that once I have some time to put down what I did with it.
-syn
wore-out-pilot
12-11-2006, 08:58 AM
Here is some great building tips that may help. Go to each page and if there is a tip for that page it will be at the bottom. I also needed all the help I could get. Sorry there is no one to help you down there but you can get alot of help on the website. My bearings did not go on easy either, I used some silicone spray and once I got bearings started had to put bearings on vise opened enough where tt would past and put enough pressure to slide down on tt to where needed. Take your time and when need for help ask questions. There is a lot of people that will help you on the website. I hope I have helped.
Well, Todd asked me to publish some of the solutions to the minor problems encountered during the Synergy build. I sort of went whole hog and documented the items by where they're found in the manual.
http://heligator.com/synergy/Index.htm
Please feel free to pm or email me with additional tips and suggestions for inclusion into the website. Be sure to scroll down to see the tips below the picture.
-Peter
00boto
12-17-2006, 01:31 AM
Syn-,
Give me a call and we can work through this. I think you still have my number from the last conversation? When the heli is finally complete you should come down to Atlanta and we can check it over.
Matt
WillJames
12-17-2006, 02:20 AM
syn, you should take Matt up on his offer, his Synergy's are holding up GREAT and flying as good as anything at the field. You guys could also meet at BlackSheep or something. Matt ROCKS!!!
wore-out-pilot
12-17-2006, 08:58 PM
Bad-Ass-Botos is the man for sure. Can't wait to see him at the 2007 XFC in Muncie.
Guys, my head was in the wrong place when I posted this one. :) I was just frusted and wasn't really focusing on resolving the issues. Now I've got my head on straight and the bird is about a half an inch from completion. I've got to get the mesh between the crown gear and pinion gear on the torque tube setup and then its pretty much done. All the electronics are already in and ready to go.
Matt,
I think I will take you up on that offer though. When would be a good time for you? I'm off until after christmas, so anytime this coming week is fine with me. After that I'll be out of town for work on and off for the next month.
-syn
Scooterpilot
12-18-2006, 01:29 AM
Glad you resolved the issue.....you're going to like the way it flies.
00boto
12-20-2006, 05:41 PM
Give me a shout, we can hash our schedules out over the phone.
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Matt
omfg. :bomb: Well, after approx. 96 hours of working on dialing in the engine, the whole fan hub and all just spun right off the engine shaft when I attempted to start it. yay. :arggg:
Matt, I'll call you tomorrow about coming down, but it may be a no-go if I need new parts for the start shaft/clutch. I'm entirely too irritated right now to even look at the thing, much less figure out what is damaged.
DavidH
12-21-2006, 08:45 AM
You might want to look at this.
http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/hyperformancerc/StoreFront
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t306529p1/
David
After setting up (3) engines/clutch assemblies for Synergy's at an average of 3 hrs a piece, I ordered two of those hubs yesterday!
Laurens
12-21-2006, 04:10 PM
Almost every heli will have its problems while assembling it. I did the engine installation on my Caliber 5 times because the fan kept unscrewing.
DaveH... I hate you. :P I would have DAMN SURE bought one of those earlier on in this if I had seen it. Oh well, if I have to dial it again I'll get one.
Anyway, finally some good news.... no parts damaged and I was able to get it all dialed back in within 30 minutes (after removing the engine of course). I've now got her all back together and have already test ran the engine for a few minutes to make sure everything was ok. I just set the pitch on the main blades up and got the gyro/tail settings all entered. Looks like tomorrow may be time for a test flight.
-syn
TMoore
12-21-2006, 09:14 PM
Y'all still flying in Jedburg?
TM