Unlimited flight time, just about A123

[rcboosted]

I'm not getting that great of a flight time on my A123 pack. By my estimate, 2000mah(90% of the pack) will only give me 7.5 min. My current lipo gives me 6min. Perhaps my pack is still new and needs more cycles to get more power out of them.

I would love to strap a ZPM on to my 450 and fly forever. I'll take that any day over the A123s. :)

[cbdane]

...for it is said

"Condemnation Without Investigation Is The Highest Form Of Ignorence"

I believe that the author may have written "ignorance." :roll:

Spent my life (so far) studying, researching, and applying principles of physics to all kinds of problems and have still yet to find the keys to unlimited free energy or never ending youth. But hey, I am a blessed man; life is good so I guess that ignorance is bliss!

[cbdane]

If I could download videos about Tesla from the internet and learn these secrets, I would. Then I'd become filthy rich. I'll let you know how that goes. :mrgreen:

Don't forget to file the invention disclosure and get the patent application in the works! :D

[spork]

If I could download videos about Tesla from the internet and learn these secrets, I would. Then I'd become filthy rich. I'll let you know how that goes. :mrgreen:

Don't forget to file the invention disclosure and get the patent application in th works! :D

The USPTO actually has a policy that they will not even review a patent for a perpetual motion machine. I've not yet been able to download the video in question (bandwidth issues), but it sure sounds like it points in that direction.

So ShuNut, since I'm struggling to download the vid right now, how about helping me out... I can't take the suspense, and I really want to know who "they" are, and why "they" want to destroy the world economy by keeping free clean energy from the population.

EDIT: ends up I was wrong. Wikipedia says this:

Devising such inoperable machines has become common enough that the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has made an official policy of refusing to grant patents for perpetual motion machines without a working model. One reason for this concern, according to various skeptics, is that a few "inventors" have used official patents to convince gullible potential investors that their machine is "approved" by the Patent Office.

So they don't actually have a policy against reviewing such a patent. They simply make it impossible to get the patent since it is impossible to build a perpetual motion machine. Otherwise I'd be on it right away. :mrgreen:

[kgfly]

For anyone intersted watch this video before making up your mind
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7485732493597773138 ..

So i watched it. It is full of enthusiasm and optimism, opaque demonstrations of claimed revolutionary technologies and conspiracy theory rhetoric. Some of the inventions may have merit, it is impossible to tell. It was odd to see the guy with the 18-pole inrunner in the mix, but then it was totally unclear what his special claim actually was other than a PWM drive system (gee, and what's that ESC doing as it drives your heli motor?).

Frankly I don't buy the "vested interest" argument, certainly not today. If these supposedly simply machines (after all, a homopolar generator is simply a magnetised flywheel disk with a contact on the shaft and one on the perimeter) did everything they claimed they would be everywhere. You would have one at the field to charge your lipos. Even if existing utilities and oil companies somehow suppressed them in the US (which makes no real sense) China, India, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand and most of the third world have so much to gain from non-fossil fuel based technologies that they would have been off and running with this stuff and nothing could stop them. If it really worked it be out there already.

Shame really, it would be nice if it were true.

[ShuNut]

One vid is nothing to whats out there... Its like instead of studying to be a doctor for 5 yrs you only do 2hrs and say this is crap and i'm not doing anymore cus its not real.

It makes me laugh that most western ppl think its a fact that we are more technologically advanced today then ever before.
Yet still the latest scientific minds today STILL cant figure out how the Egiptians built the Pyramids. They are baffled to how the stones were cut so precise and say the only way they could cut stones that accurate today is to use A Diamond Tipped Laser Guided Saw, and they have no idea how thye moved them and make up all kinds of theorys as to how they did it.
And thats just the Pyramids.... forget about the other XXX amount of things they cant explain around the world.

I'm not asking ANYONE to accept, study, agree, reserch or anything, just dont Condem Without Investigation, ether to check things out 1st or say nothing.

Dont suppose anyone has never notice my Avatar and wondered whats the story behnd it.

http://crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html
I suppose its all fake too :(

Anyway i'm obviously stepping on some ppls long term beliefs so i'll say nothing eles on the matter.


But I'll end on these 3 qoutes.
I'm not hear to convince people of what they dont want to know.
Condemnation Without Investigation Is The Highest Form Of Ignorence.
Only A Fool ducks When The Truth Is Thrown At Them..... Saying By Atum-Re

So lets get back on topic as none of you are yet ready to take the Red Pill :lol: .

Sooo A123's hu ? Nice. :hug:

[ShuNut]

rcboosted 7.5 mins dont sound too bad compared to the 6 mins from the lipo.

Can you post more info on how the heli performs on the A123's and what HS ur runing and style of flying ?

Thx

[spork]

One vid is nothing to whats out there... Its like instead of studying to be a doctor for 5 yrs you only do 2hrs and say this is crap and i'm not doing anymore cus its not real.

Most of us have seen the evidence and heard the stories all our lives. My 4 years of undergrad and 3 years of grad school should count as something when it comes to understanding energy, argument, and critical thinking. So no, I'm not going to spend 5 years dissecting the false evidence and false arguments for others for free when I'm quite happy with my own understanding of the topic. I will admit, the hair stands up on my neck everytime I here "they". WE are they. Conspiracies are rare. Large scale conspiracies are practically unheard of.


It makes me laugh that most western ppl think its a fact that we are more technologically advanced today then ever before.

And we feel exactly the same way when people tell us differently.

Yet still the latest scientific minds today STILL cant figure out how the Egiptians built the Pyramids.

Not entirely true. We can't know for a fact how they DID do it, because we weren't there. But a scientist did go there and develop and practice a process long enough to prove it workable. So we definitely know how they MIGHT have done it.

... just dont Condem Without Investigation, ether to check things out 1st or say nothing.

Is it OK for us to condemn after investigation? How much investigation is required before you'll accept our opinion as being as valid as yours?


Dont suppose anyone has never notice my Avatar and wondered whats the story behnd it.

http://crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html
I suppose its all fake too :(

Let's just say it's real. Where is the conspiracy behind lost technology?


Condemnation Without Investigation Is The Highest Form Of Ignorence.

Agreed. And it works both ways.


Only A Fool ducks When The Truth Is Thrown At Them..... Saying By Atum-Re

Ditto.

So lets get back on topic as none of you are yet ready to take the Red Pill :lol: .

Which pill did you take???

[ghostrider414]

I'm getting 11:00 min flight time with my A123's not 3D.
11 tooth 325 pro's stock 430L motor stock align 35 ESC.
Cant do 3D so this good for my flying get lots of practice
and fun time got 35 flights on my A123's :D

[rcboosted]

rcboosted 7.5 mins dont sound too bad compared to the 6 mins from the lipo.

Can you post more info on how the heli performs on the A123's and what HS ur runing and style of flying ?

Thx

I will give it more cycles before I comment on how long they can fly. For now, it's 7.5 min. I'm running 3100rpm using tech-mp woodies. Basically I just stick in the A123 without adjusting my throttle curve that is set up for 2600rpm on 3S lipos. I've posted what I thought of them in my thread but it got no attention:

http://www.helifreak.com/viewtopic.php?t=29359

After getting 10 more flight out of them, I like them. Yes they are heavier, but the extra headspeed makes up for it. For my sport flying (sort of aggressive) I find them more than adequate. I actually miss the HS when I go back to my lipo. But of course if you with a 4S lipo set up you'll be even happier. For now, they handle pretty much the same as my 3S lipos, you just have to remember to give it a little more pitch at times.

[rcboosted]

I'm getting 11:00 min flight time with my A123's not 3D.
11 tooth 325 pro's stock 430L motor stock align 35 ESC.
Cant do 3D so this good for my flying get lots of practice
and fun time got 35 flights on my A123's :D

What HS are you ruuning? 11T I'm guessing some where around 2400 on A123's if you go 95% throttle.

[WayneBrown]

That video was the biggest waste of an hour and 50 minutes I've endured in a long time. Good thing it's snowing again.
I got that there were discoveries published, and unduplicated. No conspiracy theory beyond the fact that someone else could not do it.

[kgfly]

People just want to believe in stuff, regardless of common sense or science. :arggg:

For example, a quick investigation into homopolar generators reveals that the physics is 100% understood (voltage generated via the Lorentz force acting on electrons moving in a magnetic field) and while they have a role as specialised DC current pulse generators, they are highly inefficient (due to high frictional and heat losses) and have never been shown in well controlled trials to achieve over unity operation (ie more energy out than in).

The acclaimed DePalma "N-machine" fails to live up to its claims:

De Palma's death in New Zealand in October 1997 put an end to his most ambitious free energy project, and occurred only weeks prior to the official testing of a device constructed over the course of 6 months in an Auckland workshop. The test was attended by, among others, the project's financial backer, Bruce Bornholdt, a prominent Wellington barrister, as well as the pioneering developer of the Adams motor, Robert Adams (now deceased), who observed the operation of, and measured electrical output from, the N-machine. This single test failed to demonstrate the over-unity potential of the N-machine - most of the output energy being lost as heat - and the project was immediately dissolved.

ShuNut accused me of taking too shallow a cut but I followed up several of the inventors mentioned in the video and could not find any evidence that a single one has been independently validated. Of course that's probably because the information has been suppressed by The Conspiracy :lol:

Hey Wayne, how about the bit with the levitating ice-cream ? I think that was my favourite bit of obscure and useless video. :lol:

Then there was the guy claiming that "tens of thousands" of his engines with the magical alchemy drive were about to be distributed across the US. Hmm, did you get one ? Anyone you know get one ? Any reports of a rash of miracle engines spreading across the country ? You would think there would be at least one breathless reporter gushing about these miracle motors turning up all over the place. Oh well, I guess The Conspiracy intercepted them all. Of course with a multi-billion dollar global market for motors out there, nobody would be interested in a way to take a slice away from the competition, would they ?

[ghostrider414]

Dont have a tach went to ready heli headspeed calculator and is says 3468 with the 4s setup

[spork]

... Of course that's probably because the information has been suppressed by The Conspiracy :lol:

Excellent use of capitalization!

Hey Wayne, how about the bit with the levitating ice-cream ? I think that was my favourite bit of obscure and useless video. :lol:

Look fella, it's one thing to bash a "greater than unity" engine with your scientific mumbo jumbo; but when you bring into question the levitating ice-cream I have to ask: is nothing sacred?

[ShuNut]

kgfly i wasn't acusing you or anyone of anything, it was a general statment and not aimed at you... and i'm not here to argue or make enemies, so i say peace to you all.
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WoW ghostrider414, 11 mins is nice, and its good to hear A123's is working good with the Align Stock electronics, but that HS sounds a little high for 11tooth.

rcboosted i missed that thread, ill post there as the title is more better for A123s and this one getting heated.

Peace

[spork]

OK. Here's the latest report on the A123's on my T-Rex 450.

I'm running the Align 430L motor with the Align 25A ESC, 11 tooth pinion, and Align 325 Pro Woodies.

I flew reasonably hard for 8 minutes. I felt very satisfied with the power. I can't compare them to the FP EVO packs because I've never flown them. But for 8 minutes the A123's gave me much more solid performance than my tired out TP Pro-Lite 2100's.

By the way, I've reconfigured the pack's physical layout. The pack is wired together as a single 4S pack, but has one cell on each side of the bird at the C.G. and two cells up front under the canopy. For me the C.G. works out perfectly, and the AUW comes out to an absolutely shameful 872 grams. Still haven't tried an auto with the A123 pack on-board yet.

[rcboosted]

That's an intersting configuration. Sounds like way too many wires though. But if you paint those cells on the side, you can make them look like missiles. :mrgreen: