nitro for weekends

[xircom]

Need some hints, have already Lepton EX, quite some flying experience already - but want to buy a "inexpensive 30 size nitro for longer weekend-flights and training" only, where I can fly few tanks instead of running to charger or buy 10 expensive lipos (finally in 1-2 yrs will buy some 90 "super machine" but not yet, no time and too expensive to crash), I want to training some very easy flying incl. loops, rolls etc

Anyway there is good offers for

- Shuttle +2 incl. OS32SX-H
- Shuttle Sceadu Evolution incl. 37SZ-H

So the Evo is almost 1.7 times the money of the 2+ (guess spares and fuel also) but can do 3D. For those hirobo freaks who know either or both of above, what is recommended for this purpose, can the Shuttle 2+ do loops and rolls, is there big power difference in 37 vs. 32cc ? First target is really lowest possible investment for moment, but also I am not really "beginner only" but do some acro stuff.

Please give me some hints, I don't know about "glue power" helis.

BIG THANKS

[Jafa]

I would avoid the 30/32 engines - gutless wonders
The 37 is a low power solution but is a vast improvement and runs really sweet

The Shuttle Plus is easily able to loop and roll and auto and all that stuff.
It can also do slow tic tocs to a larger angle than we would use in a 50 or 90
The Shuttle Plus is very old and dated - but is a good flier and dam cheap to fly/crash

Personally I prefer the more modern Sceadu, but it will be heavier than the Shuttle Plus.
So for low budget and better power to weight go for the Shuttle Plus
But for future proofing I would go with Sceadu for upgradability to 50 size

I think that you will be disapointed with a 30 class heli after flying the Lepton,
they are truely gutless by comparison to the Lepton which can out climb a 90

[xircom]

Hello, if the shuttle 2+ is able to do the rolls and loops and all that stuff, then probably it's the right one, because neither this nor Shutte Sceadu Evolution I think will be longer term, so I would not compare with Lepton anayway, just the two with each other. Long-term would be either Evo 50 EX or Eagle I think, future one should be then equal or better than my Lepton, performing all those upgrades on the Shuttle evo I think makes me paying almost a new one anyway.

THANKS SO MUCH for all hints (will have to decide today ... holidays) :D

[Jafa]

You can put the 37 into the Shuttle Plus and that will go very well

Cheers...

[xircom]

Well, the point is, that those are sets (incl. muffler also as far as I know), and they're cheaper than the parts alone. Of course the Shuttle with 37 is still cheaper than set Evo with 37, but it starts to be unreasonable small. The basic difference of Shuttle 32 to Evo 37 is calculated 140 dollar, plus Evo has bigger tank, is upgreadable (well maybe I don't do this anyway), seems to have stronger plastic, bigger (more stable), more modern (spares in future) ... I am still not sure what to do, 140 dollar is not cheap, but I also don't want to regret ... :lolol

[captcasper7]

here my sceadu with a.40 in it. got the .40 from a mate and trying it to see what i think.

Parts are cheap for the sceadu from my local shop si no problems there and I will be putting the OS .50 hyper in it as soon as I am able to handle to power, oh and when my new 600 carbon blades arrive.

[xircom]

Looks nice casper - you mean .40 is power enough to do some aeorbatic without pray for enough lift after a loop for example ? All I've read by now about Shuttle +2 is not really made for this, which is also absolutely not needed for most of the beginners of course.

Just I checked the weight and length, and actually it's not big difference : 2.79Kg (1075mm) vs. 3.15 (1190mm), that is roughly 10% only and looks better :glasses2: difficult

[captcasper7]

The .40 has loads of power, I ve just come back from the field and it flew great, my mate had a go and did some flips and rolls and he could not notice much difference from his own .50 (not hyper) We had to adjust the throttle curves as there was far too much head speed for the 550mm blades I was running.

When I am able to do flips and rolls I will be able to tell you for myself :oops: or should that be when I have the balls for 3D :shock:

[mudbogger2]

The shuttle plus 2 is an updated designed of the Shuttle ZX series. It is a fully 3d capable machine if setup that way. With a 37 in it it will be a very good performer.
It is a dated design but a very proven one and has a lot of upgrades that are found on the sceadu series.

IMO you would be much better off to just save up and go for the EVO 50. As Jafa said you will be dissappointed in the power of anything less than a .50 after flying a Lepton.

[xircom]

Thank you very much all, maybe last thing is : In the club nearby, they allow nothing bigger than 30 size ... so ... is it then better shuttle +2 because of weight ?

[xircom]

... and also the quality is probably better with the sceadu evo, checking manual it has more bearings and harder frame ... more proven design ... nicer look ... vs. smaller weight and probably cheaper spares, that's what I could find. :idea:

[Jafa]

The Sceadu is a better kit
The Shuttle works fine and has cheap parts

The Shuttle does loop and roll perfectly fine - does all the sport flying you need
You can fly it inverted also - no problem

Just make sure you limit the pitch to -9 0 +9
30's don't have the power to haul more pitch

[xircom]

is then 50 much louder than 30 ? that is biggest concern ..

[Gscott]

I personally think the 30's are louder. They have much more of a high pitched squeel to them. Get the 50 and put a quiet pipe like the Zimmerman on it. Also upgrade the gears (at least the main gear) to delrin and it will cut down the noise quite a bit.

[xircom]

good to know, if it's equally or less noisy, then I consider 50, I have read also that 50 comes with better gear and blades

[xircom]

oh one more thing as I am electric so far, with those .30

[Jafa]

The 30's do have a higher pitched sound which gets to you during hovering
but they are hard to hear when you fly away - like circuits
It's cos of low capacity and higher RPM

[xircom]

thanks ! what is difference in nitro consumtion ? both 480CC tank, so 1 liter in just 2 flights of about 10 min ?

[Jafa]

I think the flights are more like 18 to 24 mins on a 30!

[xircom]

thanks, anybody knows difference to 50 same flightstyle ?

[Jafa]

OS50 in the Sceadu will give about 11:30 in idle up

[xircom]

Thank you all guys, you really helped me a lot, especially Jafa !!!
Below the result (damn, how should I tell my wife ...) :twisted:

[SteveL]

The good part about the 50 is it will carry you a lot further. You can fly 550 blades on it if you want to save money in a crash. As far as the heli parts that will break in a crash they are the same as the 30.
You made a wise decision.
Have fun and burn some fuel.

[xircom]

that's right, now I have to save some money to start with, use existing JR 490T gyro with G810, this is fine, DS10 SPCM RX also.

For the CCPM not sure, Think will use what I have and then later upgrade to a nice set I think. I have existing ES539 not digital (0.23s/4.8Kg) or DS3401 mini (but with standard frames) (0.19/4.3). The 539 is bit stronger but slower, and not digital - which would be nice for the SWM... what do you guys think ?

As for the RX battery, I have 4N1100 - maybe I get another one with higher cap ... what do you think ? And probably RX checker is also a good idea, never needed of course with electric heli !

As for the fuel, they recommended 23% - I have no idea, so I just took and hope it's fine to start with ... haha

[Jafa]

You'll love the Sceadu, most people do...

I'm not sure what a ES539 is, but I avoid JR servo's with 53X model numbers,
we've had more crashes due to this range stripping than any other single cause.
(NES 539 over here...)

23% oil in the fuel, sounds like CoolPower LV, perfect