Heli-Max Axe Cp

[ElectricHead]

Anyone fly the Axe CP yet? If so what do you think about this heli.

[enahs]

I'd be interested to know as well. I'm looking at getting a small collective pitch heli to keep at college with me.

Unfortunately, it's rather new and I doubt many people have tried it out yet.

[snrek]

I picked one up a couple of nights ago. I had a few minor issues but everything seems Okay for now. The Tx battery holder was broken, the heli battery was on the charger for 3 hours and still had a red light and was feeling warm and looking at the canopy I thought maybe I had gotten a returned package! After reviewing the entire contents the next morning I decided I could fix the broken battery holder with a shim once I installed it in the radio. I took the battery and charger to another LHS. They said I just didn't wait long enough for the battery to fully charge, they were right. I gave it another hour and now it seems to be working just fine. I looked at several other new helis and they all look like they have marks on the canopy. I have now ran several battery charges through it and the heli hovers great! I had a Phoenix CP (Like a Blade CP Pro) which I could hover but every other battery charge or so I would break something. The Axe CP it working great! No broken parts (Yet) and I feel like I have pretty good control over the heli as a whole.

[Ah Clem]

I got to hover one briefly yesterday. Very easy to hover!

[Freestyle Bandit]

I've had mine for 2 wks I think its great I put the crystal in my 7c and added in some expo and some other little things and its much better the stock radio is very touchy if u dont have a regular radio try fly weights that will help Ive been doin fff w/ mine some loops seems good Im teachin a 12 yr old to fly and hes hit the pavement ounce or twice and it holds up good the tail blades are weak I bought the Blade cp blades they are much stronger Ive scraped the pavement with them they just scratch the stock blades shatter the plastic is to hard and its cold here I have another one coming in the mail already then Ill have 2 so yeh thier cool for 175.00 I love it ........... :thumbsup2:

[markind]

I just got mine on order - I'm looking forward to making some good flight reports here! :D

[wingless1968]

I'm new and I found it to be worth the money. I have learned to hover with it and have started flying it around. I would like to ugrade the radio system not sure exactly how or with what. Would like to upgrade to something that could be applied to T rex later. Would love some feed back. I have used the e-sky rotors and they are alot stronger. I would also reccomend shreank wrap on the stock blades, they last alot longer.

[ozzyman]

wingless,,,


I found this on another heli site. The Blade setup will work on the AXE CP you have.

This should be a good STARTING point for you. Like you, I'm new to the Heli world. And I playing with a "9C" and my AXE CP.

Hope this helps.



Futaba 9C** Setup for Blade CP Helicopter

*Note: [ ] Denotes Menu Screens to Select.

*Please note: these settings are for the heli’s with the aerobatic enhancement kit already installed and operating with an 11.1v Li-Po Battery Pack. These setting may not provide adequate movement for the stock heli package.

Swash plate Selection: [Parameter] Type: HELI (SR-3)

Servo Movement; Normal/Reversed: [Reverse]
1. Ail: Normal
2. Ele: Reversed
3. Thr: Reversed
4. Rud: Normal
5. Gyr: Normal
6. Pit: Reversed
7. Aux: Normal
8. Aux: Normal

End Points (ATV): [End Point] All End Points are set to Stock 100% for all
channels because you are in CCPM mode and this will not effect a anything on this heli.

Adjusting correct movement and Orientation of servos for 120* swash plate: [Swash AFR]

Ail: +70%
Ele: -70%
Pit: -44%



Revo Mixing: [REVO. /NOR]
Mix: INH

Throttle Curve (Normal): [TH-CV /NOR]
1. 0.0%
2. 32.5%
3. 63.0%
4. 86.5%
5. 100.0%
*Please note: these settings are for the heli’s with the aerobatic enhancement kit already installed and operating with an 11.1v Li-Po Battery Pack. These setting may not provide adequate movement for the stock heli package.

Pitch Curve (Normal): [PI-CV /NOR]
1. 20.0%
2. 39.5%
3. 50.0%
4. 65.5%
5. 74.5%
*Please note: these settings are for the heli’s with the aerobatic enhancement kit already installed and operating with an 11.1v Li-Po Battery Pack. These setting may not provide adequate movement for the stock heli package.

Trim Settings: [TRIM] Adjusted by the stick trim tabs, not in the menu.
Aile: 4 (< 20)
Elev: 4 (V 52)
Thro: 4 ( 0)
Rudd: 4 (> 24)

Advanced Heli Adjustments

Throttle Curve: [THR-CURVE]
Normal: See Above Settings for Normal Throttle Curve.
IDL1:
1. 100.0%
2. 71.5%
3. 58.5%
4. 71.5%
5. 100.0%
IDL2:
1. 100.0%
2. 77.0%
3. 64.5%
4. 77.0%
5. 100.0%
IDL3: Inhibit

Pitch Curves: [PIT-CURVE]
Normal:
1. 20.0%
2. 39.5%
3. 50.0%
4. 65.5%
5. 74.5%
IDL1:
1. 9.0%
2. 21.0%
3. 38.5%
4. 51.0%
5. 72.5%
IDL2: Copy of IDL1.
IDL3: Copy of IDL1.

Gyro Sensitivity: Kept at stock settings of 50.0% up and down.
I adjusted the gyro on the heli down to about 50% of full motion on the pod. This worked for me, but they are all factory tested and may be set up in a different position.

I also adjusted my pitch control rods for each blade OUT one full turn. I found this to really help with the jumpy pitch movement throughout the pitch curve

[markind]

I've had my Axe for a couple weeks now, been through a dozen LiPo TP 1320 packs or so, and, luckily, NO CRASHES!!! :lolol

I got her working with my DX6 radio gear!! :twisted:

I have got the hover down pat, but need a good amount of room. If she starts to go in a direction pretty good, then I need a good 5 or 6 feet to get her going back to center.

I've been playing with the main rotor speed at hover and its pretty good now. On the slow side even, possibly. May drop it further to see what it does, BUT my next move now is to adjust the Tail Trim pot on the stock 3-in-1 board.

I was hoping to avoid altering the factory settings but she yaws too much to the left. Its too much effort to keep pressure on right rudder - its keeping me from getting better, so I gotta adjust it.

When I get it dialed in, I'll post up my DX6 settings. :mrgreen:

[wingless1968]

I've had my Axe for a couple weeks now, been through a dozen LiPo TP 1320 packs or so, and, luckily, NO CRASHES!!! :lolol

I got her working with my DX6 radio gear!! :twisted:

I have got the hover down pat, but need a good amount of room. If she starts to go in a direction pretty good, then I need a good 5 or 6 feet to get her going back to center.

I've been playing with the main rotor speed at hover and its pretty good now. On the slow side even, possibly. May drop it further to see what it does, BUT my next move now is to adjust the Tail Trim pot on the stock 3-in-1 board. I was thinking about going with that new 2.4 6 ch. Futuba and then I can use it on other heli's. Will this System work on the axe. Will I have to change receivers? Will the stock mixer work? I'm new to RC and I'm not sure exactly What can of worms I'm opening. Can you help?

I was hoping to avoid altering the factory settings but she yaws too much to the left. Its too much effort to keep pressure on right rudder - its keeping me from getting better, so I gotta adjust it.

When I get it dialed in, I'll post up my DX6 settings. :mrgreen:

[gtr]

I just ordered this heli and hope it flies better than my FP and similar to the Trex.

Regarding the stock radio how many point pitch does it have and if i use my 9c is it worth the time to setup? I do not know how percise this heli is and if using a higher quality transmitter really makes the difference.

[VBDave]

Stock radio is straight stick to response, so YES.. It's worth programming your 9c if only for some expo.. Cyclic is REALLY touchy side to side with the motor driven tail.

It won't be close to a Trex, but you'll get the overall feel for a non-fixed pitch at least. Not near the power as the larger birds and it's light as a feather so it's a battle in any wind. Trex is larger and comparably heavier (Scarier too when you spool one up compared to the AXE.. hehe)

PS: Using a non-stock radio also lets you play around with adding a 401 HH gyro since you can control the gyro gain from the radio. That is, or course.. if you want to spend ~$120 on a gyro for a <$200 heli. ;)

[Iceman140]

Basically , one Futaba T6EXHP Radio Rx Combo $160.00. Eflite Park370 4100 Kv BL motor $48.00. Futaba G190 Gyro $62.00. Thunderbird 18 ESC $35.00. Small ESC for brushed stock tail motor $20.00. Total so far $325.00 to go with separates.

Outflying the bigboys with this bumble bee of a heli, (you all know bumble bees aren't supposed to fly right?), priceless. :)

Ed :WOW

[alucard]

Hello Ice man I have a question do you know where to buy the Thunderbird ESC online and if with the new radio and motor do you have now more pitch and head speed. Olso your gyro how do you set it. I am form Puerto Rico and the heli pilot here like most of them gas helicopter. Thanks.

[Iceman140]

alucard-

Try Bishop Power Products online. www.b-p-p.com. Thuderbird 18 ESC for brushless is good enough for a small heli and you can keep the stock tail motor and just add a cheap GWS brushed ESC. RayK has posted his builds under AxeCP Separations and has a good wiring diagram. A Futaba G190 gyro for $63 at TowerHobbies is fine for small helis. The GY240 is better but not needed. And most assuredly you do not needed the 401 until you go really big and fancy flying. Futaba has good instructions on G190 setup. It's a simple setup so shouldn't be any trouble.

Pitch is something you can change on the computer radio and altering the linkages to the sevos will set maximum pitch and radio will set the pitch you want for actual flying. Top head speed is set by the motor size and I think RayK has put in an EFLITE Park 370 4100kv at $48. Thottle curves are set in the radio from idle to a good hover speed to full out 3D top motor speed. Finless' videos explain a lot more and will actually give you the numbers to start with. Hope this helps.

Good to hear from you and I hope you have continued sucess!!!!!!!

LET'S GO FLYING!!!!!!!! :fly :fly :fly :fly

Ed

[Ray K.]

Ed-

Thanks for the kudos, man! Give a man a fish or teach a man to fish, you know?

In terms of the spirit of this thread, I don't know if I would have done things differently or not. I was into RC monster and stadium trucks many moons ago. When I left the "scene", Team Losi had just released the LXT. I had one of those, and a totally custom ClodZilla. Aluminum frame, Trinity Sapphire motors, oil shocks, the works. I was still in High School. Now that I'm pretending to be a bona fide adult and actually have the occasional few bucks to spare, I decided to get back into RC with a helicopter. I was always fascinated by them from the first time I saw one at the local model aviation field (which unfortunately closed down about 10 years ago), and thought that a heli would be a cool way to go. So after some research, I figured that an Axe CP would be a good place to start, despite it's shortcomings. It was a pretty low-cost investment, and if I ended up hating helis, I would only be out 200 bucks.

In my mind, I absolutely made the right choice. The place that I tripped up was putting so much money into modifying my Axe. I could have built a TRex or E325 with cash to spare by now. But, on the other side of that coin, I've learned a whole lot about helicopter setup, I've developed solid basic flying skills, and I found out that helicopters are definitely what I want to do. So while it's been expensive, it's also been worth it. Given the chance to do it again, I think that I would just do some simple mods to the Axe, and then stepped up to a more sophisticated heli sooner. Namely, I would have done the direct drive tail, gyro, and lipos, and then left it at that.

So does the Axe CP make a good first heli? Absolutely. Would I do what I did again? I don't think so.

-Ray

[Iceman140]

Ray-

Hey I thought I had a bad tail motor, then found the motor had little support at the backside. So tightening the screws and putting a block of styro between the motor and tail mount stiffened it and it worked. But in the meantime, I bought a GWS D class motor and gearbox combo for $15 with a 6.6:1 ratio and darned if it won't adapt to the Axe with very little modification. Cut a slot in the tail boom just to get the wires out sooner. Solder a JST connector on the end of the wires to accept the GWS motor and plug the end of the tail boom with a small alum. peice of rod tapped to accept a screw. Then simply drill out the gearbox, where the original wooden fuse stick would normally go, and screw into the tail and you're done. I'll have to wait 'til my motor goes for good, but I'll get pics of the setup posted.

Some of us just have to make things in this world better. Edison, DaVinci,Galileo, and now RayK. Never feel bad about new discoveries buddy. All knowledge is learning and therefore good. We needed a new heating system in our house for the 2nd and 3rd floor to replace gas space heaters. Never having installed one before I set out to install a 90% efficiency forced hot air system. Having kept my eyes open on construction all these years and watching and talking to the duct guys and heating techs, I was able to design and install our system which dropped our heating bill by 40%. The unit sits in a full-sized half finished attic and is ducted to 2 rooms up there and the rest of the 2nd floor. I learned a lot doing it myself and not really a job I would be willing to do again, but what a sense of accomplishment. Air flow is perfect, no tube burnout in the future, and the fabricated filter box works great. I hurt my arm patting myself on the back, but hey! :mrgreen:

Now that you have all this experience, you're ready to share with the rest of us newbies. More photos please. :)

IT'S A GOOD DAY FOR FLYING GENTLEMEN!!!!! :fly :fly :fly

Ed

[alucard]

Hello there ice man well thanks for the info on the web and for the information is just here in Puerto Rico people only like to fly gas and there is about 150 pilot here in my town and only 15 fly helicopter and most of them fly gas heli and when you try to do some modification they just say hey go to a raptor 50. well I am using a aling gyro now is working good but not that good is better than stock but is kind slow and here the wind is a little high. I planing like I tell ray to buy a brush less motor the ESC and a futaba fast radio 6 channel. Thanks for all bro :glasses2:

[Iceman140]

alucard-

no problemo bro. that's a lot of pilots in one town. We don't have that many pilots here and I live next to an airforce base.

Hey Ray-

Just a thought. Think of all the research and development that went into the invention of Duct Tape. The most sucessful failure of the 20th century. One of the few inventions that absolutely failed for what it was designed for and yet made millions for someone. Keep playing wit da machines man. I wonder what circumstances surrounded the guy that invented the ESC that could play music by vibrating your brushless motor? Just remember us little guys when your rich and famous, or at least rich. :mrgreen:

Ed...........VP Axe enterprises............just thought I try it out, see how it looks.

[Ray K.]

Duct Tape.

I use that stuff every day at work. Turns out it's about the only tape that's waterproof. You can apply that stuff totally submerged under water and it'll still stick. Amazing.

I'm having a hard time figuring out what hidden benefit is going to come out of being a noob pilot with a heavily modified ACP. Maybe it'll be a combination of my hobby experience... maybe sport compact cars, paintball, and RC helicopters will all come together in some yet unknown way and make me millions. Yeah right! I really need to get my ass back to school and get my Mechanical Engineering degree...

But Ludwig von Beethoven was deaf. Albert Einstein had to re-take 6th grade algebra several times. Leonardo DaVinci was labeled as a heretic for having an imagination. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were told that the personal computer would fail fantastically- look at them now. Maybe I just need to be patient.

But patience is hard to come by when it's already been almost 2 weeks since I last flew my FrankenAxe.... oh well.

-Ray

[Iceman140]

Ray-

Same here, no flying since 2 weeks ago. I just went with the theory that moving the link wires one hole in would calm down the cyclic, but I haven't tested it yet. The swash does stay level if you move all 3 though. I was bummed about my tail motor 'til I fixed it, well adjusted it anyways. So I didn't fly. I did buy a 5ft tall roll away tool box to add to my shop just for hobby parts and stuff. Gotta stay organized or I look it the bench and walk away. My shop has TV,DVD, a computer, more light than Vegas, temp control and every tool and machine you need, yet I still look it it and go, "Nah, just not in the mood." Funny huh?

Ah yes, patience Danielsan. Your experiences with the Axe remind me of the experiences our Karate students go through all the time, and the ones I train with mostly are adults. Some come in and get so frustrated watching the advanced students that they talk themselves right out of practicing at home and eventually leave. Others stay, follow directions and without really knowing what they're doing end up planting a perfect 2 knuckle punch right across my jaw, we're full contact no pads no mats street combat style, then they do the worst thing they can do in my opinion. They apologise for sucess!!! "Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you alright?". Screw that, if I didn't want to be hit I'd have stayed home. NEVER APOLOGISE OR FEEL BAD FOR SUCESS!

Everytime we fly our Axe we prove it can be flown. Mine is stock, yours is the other end of the stick. RunRyder has forums with a lot of Axe sucess stories. I cross train outside our school in Judo and used to get in trouble for bringing Judo ideas into our style in class. But I took note of something my sensei didn't. Our head instructor in WA state as well as his instructor Ed Parker, were Judo students first and I could see Judo throughout our style. Now, on occasion, I teach groundwork and takedown techniques to black belt classes, even though I'm considered a lower belt instructor. Four years of uncomfortable tension in the classes, but I knew what I was doing was the right way to go, and it was.

I hope you gp back to school. That would be great! I need to go back to school so I can understand why it hurts so much when I bang my head against the wall. :arggg: My boss says he's going to send me for PLC training. Oh goody! :mrgreen:

Speaking of work.....gotta go buddy.

Ed

[alucard]

Yea I live close to a base to and I saw the coast guard heli all the time really low and the national guard have a huey cobra and flew form time to time very low scary. well yesterday I crash my heli in a very stupid way I did a lot of figure 8 and nose facing me hover at high altitude then with my last battery I dicde to do some hover and practice spot landing and wind strike and i did negative pitch and the heli slam the floor I am piss of but well I just half way in the repair :arggg:

[Iceman140]

alucard-

Seems the only curve you can't program into a radio is the learning curve. As long as you're learning. Figure 8's, that great. I can't even do 2 figure 4's yet. :lol:

Must be cool to see the real ones though. We have huge C5 cargo planes here. Very big. Very loud. I hardly hear them now, but from my back yard I can see what brand of tires they're using before the landing gear goes up. :mrgreen:

Going to fly with reduced cyclic this weekend just to try it, and going to start my Dragonus II. Ordered ESC from Bishop's and it's in the mail. Now all I need is a gyro, Futaba GY240, and a tail servo, probably a HS 65. I'll get 2 lipos and a charger when I'm done building. Got to transfer Bob's videos to DVD so I can use them on the portable DVD in the shop to build. Should be a good weekend.

KEEP THE SPINNING SIDE UP GENTLEMEN...SAVE THE FANCY STUFF FOR THE CAMERAS!!!!! :fly :fly :fly :fly

Ed

[alucard]

Hello Well repair done and I was able to fly again everything works super nice. I have a Question did any body know where online I can buy a dragonus II pro and spare parts I saw a Dragonus on eBay but is look like is a clone of the real one I dont know. And there somebody know what is the highest mah lipo that I can plug in the axe cp.
I still have the original reciver and 3-1 and a c12 ESC and a Aling gyro my lipo now are 11.1 1350mah in the hobby shop they said I can go higher but I don't know how much is too much.
Ice man when one day you will not see it coming but you will feel it and you will start doing figure 8 and landing safely. :D

[Iceman140]

alucard-

Thanks for the encouragement.

I don't know how much bigger I would go with a 17 ounce helicopter as far as battery size goes. I know that 11.1 v 2200 mAh lipos are around 5 to 6 ounces. A lot of weight to carry around if you're doing 3D. Better I think is a lighter 11.1v lipo like the one you're using. They get pretty big. The bigger 2200mAh 11.1v 20C batteries are for 26 to 30 ounce helis with larger motors, from what I've seen.

Two ounces extra on an AxeCP is a lot. 11.1v is 11.1 v so motor power won't increase with a bigger battery. Just flight time.

Try www.rc-expert.com and hold on to your wallet and credit cards..........
My dragonus II Plus was $158.00 at HobbyLobby.com. But it has a plastic head, which I'll upgrade later by ordering a full metal head already assembled.


Seeya later..... :glasses2:

Ed