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FlyAndFix
10-31-2010, 12:18 PM
Will try this next time out! Going to be fun.
I like it :D I might try it... basics are soo hard! :lolol crazy but true!
Can it be done on FBL heli or flybared?
Cullen Colapietro
10-31-2010, 04:31 PM
I did the challenge in 15mph winds today. I'd like to try it on a mild day. Actually, this challenge is one of the things that I drill on the sim in order to have a good foundation.
chakotay
10-31-2010, 06:09 PM
It was too windy and I aimed the camera a bit too low.. but what the heck, here's my attempt:
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I've found the hardest part about wind is keeping the altitude consistent. Breezes shoot a smaller heli up or down with little warning. I'm processing a video now. I'll post up my recording from today when it's done.
It was too windy and I aimed the camera a bit too low.. but what the heck, here's my attempt:
That was really good. Nice and steady. Here's my submission with my 500. Slight breeze, but not too bad.
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Cullen Colapietro
10-31-2010, 07:32 PM
very nice
Bob O
10-31-2010, 07:39 PM
I like it :D I might try it... basics are soo hard! :lolol crazy but true!
Can it be done on FBL heli or flybared?Either one, doesn't matter.
Keep the videos comin' guys!! :)
Andyzboy
10-31-2010, 07:41 PM
uploading...
Whenever I get new packs I break them in for 5 cycles doing this stuff, I'll get really good at it when I have 4 new ones...
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aeroplay
10-31-2010, 07:42 PM
Very good!
snjbird
10-31-2010, 08:31 PM
Nice Russ, I missed coming up today!:arggg: I just am to far behind in projects!
I will get a video made this week of the challenge flight!
I wonder if some people are attempting this challenge with their usual setups on their heli. Setups where there is more than 10 degrees of pitch positive and negative. Tone that down a bit and maintaining a constant altitude is a little easier.
I wonder if some people are attempting this challenge with their usual setups on their heli. Setups where there is more than 10 degrees of pitch positive and negative. Tone that down a bit and maintaining a constant altitude is a little easier.
Yeah thought of that after my flight, but then again I'd feel like that's cheating. I could also have used a ton of expo, and dual rates, but I don't fly with those settings so changing them for the needs of a "challenge" i think would not be in the spirit of the exercise.
Gavin B
11-01-2010, 05:22 AM
Thanks Bob! This is a great idea love it. It's great to go back to basics very difficult to do properly! And yes I can hover, sort of haha ;) It's good to also know how to setup a heli for a hovering challenge like this one. Reduce your collective pitch range and run a nice tame headspeed. Even throw some heavier paddles on if your running flybar. My Hirobo paddles have removable weights so you can adjust them.
Mercuriell
11-01-2010, 06:33 AM
Thanks Bob! This is a great idea love it. It's great to go back to basics very difficult to do properly! And yes I can hover, sort of haha ;) It's good to also know how to setup a heli for a hovering challenge like this one. Reduce your collective pitch range and run a nice tame headspeed. Even throw some heavier paddles on if your running flybar. My Hirobo paddles have removable weights so you can adjust them.
Have to point out that Gav's flight was with stock Kasama Faifa - no special setup for the challenge just stuck to idle 1
Rotorshake
11-01-2010, 07:23 AM
Hi all,
Noob here trying to break into the hobby (for years now) and having pretty good success. I'm past TI hover now and trying side in and figure 8's This is just great seeing that I'm really a little further along than I thought. I've done some FF but it scares me not having much comfort with the standard orientations. I would like to 3D but onlyafter I get this stuff. Comforting to know I'm on the right track. I've progressed to a trex 500 ESP FBL and can't stand to wreck it yet. I also have a 450 FB I've been burning packs in and put it in the dirt this weekend trying to figure out why one would stir the cyclic opposite of the piro you're trying. Anyone with an explination for this would be appreciated.
Once again thanks to all for sharing these basic challenges. It helps spread the art.
Dennis
Jasmine2501
11-01-2010, 11:45 AM
I've been burning packs in and put it in the dirt this weekend trying to figure out why one would stir the cyclic opposite of the piro you're trying. Anyone with an explination for this would be appreciated.
When you understand all the basic orientations, you will understand what is happening during the piro moves - that is the whole point of doing this exercise. Sometimes, people advance to piro flips and other complicated maneuvers, without actually knowing how they are doing it - they aren't actually flying the maneuver, they are simply repeating a known action - if something goes wrong during the maneuver, they often don't have the skills to recover because they haven't mastered the basic orientations.
Do not feel bad about your crashes - I can hover nose-in and almost fall asleep doing it, but I cracked up my 450 on the concrete runway this weekend flying at night - killed the pricey night blades I had only used once, and busted up various other parts too. It happens - this was due to a problem I caused when I added the lights.
Ah Clem
11-01-2010, 11:49 AM
I tried the Challenge this morning.
The results were only fair.
I then tried the old AMA maneuver "Pilots Promenade" and made it about 2/3's of the way around before bailing out. This is ridiculous, as I used to do this routinely back in the 1980's.
I will try to get some video this week (this will put everyone to sleep, I am sure).
This thread is a good idea Bob!
I've been burning packs in and put it in the dirt this weekend trying to figure out why one would stir the cyclic opposite of the piro you're trying. Anyone with an explination for this would be appreciated.
Here's an example of why you would stir clockwise with left rudder.
Take the 4 orientations of the nose as when using left rudder starting at tail in:
Tail In
Nose Left
Nose In
Nose Right
Here's the corresponding cyclic stick inputs you would need with those orientations to get the heli to move away from you:
Forward (12:00)
Right (3:00)
Back (6:00)
Left (9:00)
You can see that cyclic inputs in relation to the orientations of the heli is a clockwise stir. If you have a small model heli you can hold in your hands you can try this and see what input you need for every 90 degrees you piro the heli.
Knowing this is not just useful for piro flips, it's how you get around doing any piro maneuver including a stationary piro hover, or piro'ing circuits, piro loops, piro funnels, etc...
sebsmash
11-01-2010, 05:32 PM
Do we need to post a video to get challenge #2?
im4711
11-01-2010, 07:03 PM
Do we need to post a video to get challenge #2?
Have you turned in vid for challenge #1 yet?;)
I just saw the posts and wet out with my son - taped it and it is in process to be uploaded within the next hour. Video is kind of boring Tghe challenge is cool. -> actually we like to put some of those element into the first flight on a day.
Yeah thought of that after my flight, but then again I'd feel like that's cheating. I could also have used a ton of expo, and dual rates, but I don't fly with those settings so changing them for the needs of a "challenge" i think would not be in the spirit of the exercise.No disaggreement there. I suggested it 'cause this challenge reminds me of F3C flying. For hovering, F3C flyers often (if not always) use expo, lower HS, lower pitch range and whatever they decide to do with the head. From the videos I've seen, of F3C flying, it still look quite challenging even with all those changes. Perhaps I'll make two videos, one with a F3C setup and one without.
No disaggreement there. I suggested it 'cause this challenge reminds me of F3C flying. For hovering, F3C flyers often (if not always) use expo, lower HS, lower pitch range and whatever they decide to do with the head. From the videos I've seen, of F3C flying, it still look quite challenging even with all those changes. Perhaps I'll make two videos, one with a F3C setup and one without.
That's not a bad idea. I may try a second F3C setup myself and see how well I "improve" ;)
mjbarnhart2001
11-01-2010, 09:13 PM
Hi all,
My name is Matt and I'm new to the site and Heli's too. I've flown a lot of planes and have decided to take the leap into Helicopters too. I have a Blade 400 and an Axe400 from Helimax which I have begun learning my basic flying skills on. I'm being very patient and have been hovering well with the exception of nose in hovering, which I've only attempted on the simulator. Does anyone have any good tips for nose in hovering? I have no problems at all flying planes directly towards me but Heli's is a much more challenging experience.
Andyzboy
11-01-2010, 09:23 PM
When making corrections, move the stick to the side of the disc that is going down. That one helped me tons when i was learning