Venting...

[CAP21]

Love the new trader's feedback but...

I just got a negative..:(

I listed my 9303 with Rx for $360 or $290 without Rx. Buyer pm'd me that he'll take it for $290 if it included Rx. I replied "price is firm". He said he'll take it somehow assuming it included Rx.

When he got it, he asked me where's the Rx. I explained. He said I should've been more clear although he thought Tx is in "pristine condition". I pm'd him my number to resolve it but he didn't call. Then I offered him the AR7000 for $50 shipped, he didn't reply..

Today I sign on and see a negative. He's claiming a problem with the Tx and threatened to list me on scammers section if I don't refund him the $290 BEFORE he ships the Tx back.

Go figure...

[Dannyboy85]

I would treat it like eBay does... Don't refund until you get a tracking # and know ups has it. Also, use paypal claims if you must they do a pretty good job of making sure transactions come out fair.

[CAP21]

He'll get a refund when I have the Tx in my hands.

Man, it takes a lot for me to leave a negative to a seller. When they correct it, I don't even bother. This guy just jumped to leaving negative with zero communication.

There are as many problem buyers as there are problem sellers...

[wacojoe]

That sucks!
Usually I dont post to these types of threads. There are 3 sides to every story, The sellers story, the buyers story, then there is the truth. So Im not taking sides here.

But maybe a suggestion. Sellers and buyers both sould have feedback. I know that some buyers can be a real pain in the butt. Sometimes it just is not worth to sell an item to a person that you just cannot satisfy no matter what you do. Thats my 2 cents!

[Mike2112]

Unfortunately, there are many scummy people out there. This is exactly why I refuse to sell things to people online. I have so many RC hobby parts that I would sell for dirt cheap or nothing, but the fact is people tend to get into these silly disputes because the are trying to scam others. Be it them screwing you, or them screwing you, they will try to screw YOU! There is no point in trying to sell of some used items because in the end, it's too much of a head ache!

I've given away so much crap to friends and people I meet because in the end, it returns more "whatever" to you than it's worth in money (within reason) of course!

Here are examples

DX6i - $20
3 DS510s - $20
AR6100 - $5.00
AR6200 - $10.00
4 3S 1800mah Lipos for B400 in good condition - FREE
Trex 500 canopy - FREE
Mint condition Traxxas TX and RX with STD servos - FREE
Align 430sp motor - FREE
Mint Align CF 430mm - blades - $5.00
Align 60 AMP ESC - $10.00
One complete Blade 400 (-) TX and a BRAND NEW Blade 400 airframe in box $80
Futaba PCM mini RX - FREE
7 CH futaba TX - $45.00
...and more

I almost give stuff away...you know why...then A-holes can't say shit! to me. If they did, I'd throw their money back at them and say FU, keep it any way!

Good luck...you'll probably think twice before doing that again. I only do things face-to-face. Then people think twice about trying to play you...hard to read someone though paypal.

[SYMAWD]

Yep, there are 3 sides. For all I know you sent him a s*%t TX, or the buyer is just a scammer. The 3rd side being the truth. This is why I either video my products for sale or take pictures at every angle and only sell to people with positive only feedback. The lesson is to be careful.

[CAP21]

I'm in business myself and the "customer is always right"..

He's pissed off because he thought he was getting a receiver. It was a misunderstanding and I tried to correct it.

Now he's claiming a problem with the Tx. I was using it on my 600 with absolutely no problems. Only a foul would sell a defective Tx...

All he has to do is send it back for full refund. It's that simple. My feedback on eBay and RR speak for itself.

[wacojoe]

I wasnt trying to say either party is a scammer, or dishonest. Maybe it could have been handled better from the buyers part.

Example:
Seller: Yeah I will sell ya a Tx
Buyer: OK I will take it
Truth: Damaged in shipping

Buyer: What the hell? you sold me a junk Tx, I want my $$$ back..NOW!!!
Seller: I will refund the $$$ when the item is returned.

You get the idea. I would agree that the negative feedback was premature. Both parties should hold out on that kind of action until things are resolved. You never know until you find the truth.

[PittJitsu]

I just had the same thing happen with a very new buyer who thought he was getting a fully assembled heli when he was not. Instead of contacting me to resolve his issues, he left neg feedback. I think the feedback system needs to be two way, not just for the buyer.

[CAP21]

It is two way. I left him a negative back along with my explanation... You just have to..

If he lists me on scammers board, I'll do the same to him.. No need to put up with that crap..

[CAP21]

Here are our pm's


HIM: I thought the $290 was including the receiver... I didn't notice it in the package.


ME: Hi,

sorry for the misundersting.

You said you'll take it for $290 if it included the Rx. I replied that price was firm, meaning $290 without Rx or $360 for everything. Call me and we can resolve it.

Tony (718) ***-****

HIM: Hmm well going forward I would recommend spelling something like that out for the potential buyer. Assuming I understand that "price is firm" equals "you are not getting the same products i have listed on ebay" is a huge jump.

I'm not mad, from what I can tell the Tx is in pristine condition, however I would not have spent $290 on a used 9303 unless i thought a Rx was included in the package.

[CAP21]

and now this:

Upon visual inspection of the Tx it did look pristine.
However once I tried to use it I found out the channels were twitching. Once I opened it up I saw the ail pot wires severely stripped.
There is no way this behavior would have gone unnoticed in a heli.I believe you knew this Tx had issues.

So lets get down to it...
Are you willing to refund the 290?
If you are I will make a public apology for jumping to conclusion.
If not I will write up my side of the story in the scam section.




I already asked him 3 or 4 times to ship it back for full refund...

Why would he offer a public apology if he thinks I knowingly sold him a defective Tx?

Something doesn't sound right here..

[GunnyGlow]

use paypal claims if you must they do a pretty good job of making sure transactions come out fair.


They do? :thumbdown:


I posted this is another thread.....but communication is key. DO NOT let that break down. It will go downhill QUICKLY from that point.

PS - your thread is in the scammer section, already. :dontknow

[Flying Fingers]

If he does send it back, lets hope its the same radio you sent him...

Sounds like a great way to replace a broken radio for free....:dontknow

[CAP21]

LOL... Actually I've heard stories of people sending back a package full of garbage to show paypal item was delivered. That's why I'll be videotaping the package when I open it right in front of the delivery guy..

[Dannyboy85]

They do? :thumbdown:


I posted this is another thread.....but communication is key. DO NOT let that break down. It will go downhill QUICKLY from that point.

PS - your thread is in the scammer section, already. :dontknow

LOL... Actually I've heard stories of people sending back a package full of garbage to show paypal item was delivered. That's why I'll be videotaping the package when I open it right in front of the delivery guy..

Yes, if you document everything correctly on your end I haven't ever had a problem with paypals claim resolution as buyer or seller.

[seanh]

sounds like you have been dealing with a child. Call his parents and explain the situation.

[WillJames]

Anybody notice the HUGE warning about abusing the feedback system?

Please let me know the final outcome of this CAP and I will take the appropriate action with respect to abuse of the feedback system.

[CAP21]

Anybody notice the HUGE warning about abusing the feedback system?

Please let me know the final outcome of this CAP and I will take the appropriate action with respect to abuse of the feedback system.

I did, rightfully so.. Your system is better than eBay. Problem buyers are leaving sellers negatives right and left knowing they can't get a negative. Many sellers are dumping eBay because of that. Here, both parties can leave negatives and post their version of what happened and the reader will decide who's on the right..

I'll sure let you know what happened. Thanks for the heads up..;)

This guy thinks he'll get a refund and keep the Tx. Not gonna happen dude..

Finally we got some sunshine here. Gonna give my new 500 a spin.:YeaBaby:

[UHx1xHuey]

(Upon visual inspection of the Tx it did look pristine.
However once I tried to use it I found out the channels were twitching. Once I opened it up I saw the... )

If i where you, I would not take it back and give him a refund, Because the fact that he opend it up, I would call that tampering. For all you know he could have cut the wire (Or what ever is wrong with it) himself. He is just mad because he thought he was getting a RX with the TX, So now he is trying to claim thare is problem's with the TX itself,

"It's not the Transmitter, It's the user"

But if i where you, I would have him take a pic of the messed up wire.
But the fact that he opend it up, I would not refund him any thing.

Just my oppinion,

[CAP21]

Exactly.. If I receive a Tx and it's twitching, I'll contact the seller and ship it back for refund. I wouldn't open it and then decide what the problem is on my own and then slam the seller a negative and threaten to bash him publicly.

When I asked him to ship it back, here's what I got:

At this point I'm having a real hard time trusting you.
There is absolutely no way this twitch could have gone unnoticed.
Also I will only think of returning until the $290 has hit my pay pal.

If he ships it back and it's tampered with, he'll have to pay shipping it back to him. Plain and simple...

[UHx1xHuey]

"I will only think of returning until the $290 has hit my pay pal"




I dont know about you, But i would say that's a scam. I bet the TX dose work and dosent have any problem's, He is just mad he dident get a RX. So now he is trying to keep the TX and get his money back. And if he get's his money back, You will prabably never hear from him again. DO NOT give him a refund untill you have the TX in your hand's. And IF you do get it back, Open it up to make sure nothing was tampered with. If you find proof in the TX that he tampered with it, Than DO NOT give him a refund. Just keep the money and TX, And he get's nothing.

And if it did work 100% when you sent it to him, And it twiches when you get it back, I would say he tampered with it to make it do that. I hate people like that.:arggg:

[GunnyGlow]

It's hard not to choose sides when one of them is not even here to give theirs.

How about it 'other side'.......would you care to comment? I"d be amazed if you were unaware of this thread. Or...maybe he needs to be made aware? :dontknow:

[SYMAWD]

The question is: How mad are you about the negative feedback?

If you don't care: Just drop the situation. You got $290 and he got a TX that you know works.

If you care: Refund him maybe $25 then say he'll get the rest once you receive the TX back IN THE CONDITION YOU SENT IT TO HIM IN.

[UHx1xHuey]

If he is being a D***, Because he did not get a RX. Just stop talking to him. He gave you neg feedback, What more can he do? You got your money, So if he is being a D***, Just say F U and stop talking to him. You prabably will never hear from him again.:thumbup: