Kontronik Tango 45-10 + Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32 for logo 14

[vlpil]

Heya everyone ! :)

Kontronik Tango 45-10 motor and Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32 ESC

what do you think about it ?

[vlpil]

ahh and BIG thamk you goes to Finless for his build up videos , its so helpful woah ! thank you !!!

[Lorents]

Hello Vlpil,

If you are going to run your Logo 14 on 10S it has too much KV, a Tango 45-07 or 45-08 will be better. If you are running 6S the 45-10 will work fine but then you should consider a higher amp controller :)

Finless' videos are great!

[Ace in the hole]

I think it would be a great set up for 6s or 8s and depending on your flying style the jazz 55 should be ok too. If your into heavy 3d then you may want a bigger controller.

DELETED the 10s part of this post, I had my figures set for a123 cells- sorry :oops:

I have a new never used 45-10 for sale, if your interested pm me.

[OICU812]

45-10 for 6S, nothing more the rpm is not in groove for 8S either. As mentioned if you are running 6S then it is fine, 10S however than get a 45-07 on 12 tooth.

[Ace in the hole]

Corrected my post above, I was using the wrong numbers in my calcs. :oops:
You could go up to 10s of a123 cells but that would be max.

[vlpil]

Hello Vlpil,

If you are going to run your Logo 14 on 10S it has too much KV, a Tango 45-07 or 45-08 will be better. If you are running 6S the 45-10 will work fine but then you should consider a higher amp controller :)

Finless' videos are great!

ough !

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I already have the 45-10 one , so I'll give it a try on logo 14

I also have the Jazz 55-10-32 esc , its not high enough ? :(

[vlpil]

45-10 for 6S, nothing more the rpm is not in groove for 8S either. As mentioned if you are running 6S then it is fine, 10S however than get a 45-07 on 12 tooth.

I gonna run 45-10 on 6s thunderpack 5000mah extreme , I have the Jazz 55-10-32 ESC , I hope Its gonna be okey as I want to complete my logo 14 for 2 months already :/

[Lorents]

The 55-10-32 will work fine on 6S so just go ahead and use it. If you are flying hard 3D the 55 might not be powerful enough, but for sports flying it will work great :)

[vlpil]

The 55-10-32 will work fine on 6S so just go ahead and use it. If you are flying hard 3D the 55 might not be powerful enough, but for sports flying it will work great :)

I think my 3d flying won't be that hard :roll:

that's my first rc heli , I never tried it before :glasses2:

I just did a small research and I thought I would go for the good stuff , well , I'm definatelly not so rich to buy a cheap parts hehe

I also think I should try some simulator software before trying to get the real deal in to the air .. oh guys , I smell a new hobby , rc-helis catched me strong ... hoaaaaah ! :)

p.s how come the 55 jazz not powerful ? I'm sorry for this newbie question , but it's costed me 250 bucks ;p I thought they are most powerful ecs I could get , hehe live and learn I guess :wink:

let me know please

[Ace in the hole]

The jazz are excellent controllers, some of the best out there, and the 55 will serve you well for your type of flying. It's not that the 55 is not powerfull it's that the harder you fly, the more stunts you do, the more power you need to make the heli do them. Really hard 3d flyers would start pushing past the 55 amps limit and might over heat the controller. If your just learning it will be a long time before you start pushing the limits of the 55. Definately get a simulator, it will save you more in the long run than it cost up front.
Good luck.

[vlpil]

45-10 for 6S, nothing more the rpm is not in groove for 8S either. As mentioned if you are running 6S then it is fine, 10S however than get a 45-07 on 12 tooth.

I'll run the thunder exteme 5000mah 22.5 v 6s pack , and it's happened that I'm already purchased 45-10 tango, thinking about to buy Medusa 45V , I have 55-10-32 jazz and 611gy+9256 gyro combo , I'm gonna order today additional thunder pack and 7.2v lipo for the system , + I need 3 servos , but I can't decide eighter what should I go with futaba or hitec , d'ohh... im getting seriously addicted to this ;=D

[Lorents]

p.s how come the 55 jazz not powerful ? I'm sorry for this newbie question , but it's costed me 250 bucks ;p I thought they are most powerful ecs I could get

The Jazz 55 is more powerful when you run it on 10S - then it can handle 37 volts x 55 amps = 2035 watts continously. If you run it on 6S the voltage drops to 22.2 volts but it still cant handle more than 55 amps so that would be 22.2 x 55 = 1221 watts continously. So to get the same power on 6S as you have with the 55 on 10S you would need something like a 90 amp controller.

But this wont be an issue for you since you will not be anywhere near 1200 the max limit unless you fly 3D or strap on some heavy equipment you want to haul around (camera) :)

As for servos I would consider the Futaba 9650's with the precut servo brackets (Mikado part # 3058).

I use these UBEC's to power rx and servos:
http://www.readyheli.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=ubec[/quote]

[vlpil]

p.s how come the 55 jazz not powerful ? I'm sorry for this newbie question , but it's costed me 250 bucks ;p I thought they are most powerful ecs I could get

The Jazz 55 is more powerful when you run it on 10S - then it can handle 37 volts x 55 amps = 2035 watts continously. If you run it on 6S the voltage drops to 22.2 volts but it still cant handle more than 55 amps so that would be 22.2 x 55 = 1221 watts continously. So to get the same power on 6S as you have with the 55 on 10S you would need something like a 90 amp controller.

But this wont be an issue for you since you will not be anywhere near 1200 the max limit unless you fly 3D or strap on some heavy equipment you want to haul around (camera) :)

As for servos I would consider the Futaba 9650's with the precut servo brackets (Mikado part # 3058).

I use these UBEC's to power rx and servos:
http://www.readyheli.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=ubec[/quote]

aha I think I'm understand now


so basically with 6s I would have about ~ 55% of potential of my setup ( jazz 55 + tango45-10)

I just checked 5000mah thunderpower battery 10s one its $570 per unit , dayam ;p

I sure won't do any 3d , but I want some good flight time and powerful machine :glasses2:

[Lorents]

so basically with 6s I would have about ~ 55% of potential of my setup ( jazz 55 + tango45-10)

I would say that you are using about 55% of the potential of the Jazz controller. I dont think its possible to gear the 45-10 so that it can be used on 10S? The smallest pinion for the .7 gear is a 10t and that would give you too much head speed or you would have to run it at a very low throttle percentage which may overheat something.

[Ace in the hole]

Yes, Lorents and Shawn are right, the 45-10 would spin way to fast on 10s of standard lipos even on 8s you would be pushing it over the max recommended rpm. On a123 lipo cells it's a little different. They only have a "loaded" voltage of around 2.7 or 2.8 so you would be able to gear a 45-10 on 10s of a123's. I have been experimenting with the a123 cells and have to say I am very impressed so far. For price and performance they are hard to beat. Taken out of a Dewalt tool pack you can get 10s of a123's for around $100 and the power they deliver will amaze you.

[vlpil]

Yes, Lorents and Shawn are right, the 45-10 would spin way to fast on 10s of standard lipos even on 8s you would be pushing it over the max recommended rpm. On a123 lipo cells it's a little different. They only have a "loaded" voltage of around 2.7 or 2.8 so you would be able to gear a 45-10 on 10s of a123's. I have been experimenting with the a123 cells and have to say I am very impressed so far. For price and performance they are hard to beat. Taken out of a Dewalt tool pack you can get 10s of a123's for around $100 and the power they deliver will amaze you.

aha I see now..

ok , Ill try the 45-10 tango with thunderpack 5000mah extereme 6S I hope it's gonna be good one :)

[vlpil]

d'oh im totally lost right now...

so I'm not limited to 5000 mah ?!

Please someone , explain me what's the best battery pack would be or tango 45-10 + 55-10-32 jazz , please suggest some , as im totally lost after researching the packs.

I think I need 6S one ?

:arggg: :arggg:

[Ace in the hole]

No your not limited to 5000 mAh, you could go with 10,000 mAh if you want. The more mAh the longer your flights will be, but there is a trade off in weight. More weight = less agility.

If you want to stay with lipos I would look at either the thunderpower extremes or the flightpower evo's. Both would serve you well. Try not to go below 3500 mAh otherwise you will be working the batteries pretty hard and your flight times will be short too. Also when you run lipos don't run them till they are dead, leave about 20% left in the battery, you will get a lot more cycles from them that way.

[vlpil]

No your not limited to 5000 mAh, you could go with 10,000 mAh if you want. The more mAh the longer your flights will be, but there is a trade off in weight. More weight = less agility.

If you want to stay with lipos I would look at either the thunderpower extremes or the flightpower evo's. Both would serve you well. Try not to go below 3500 mAh otherwise you will be working the batteries pretty hard and your flight times will be short too. Also when you run lipos don't run them till they are dead, leave about 20% left in the battery, you will get a lot more cycles from them that way.

woah , didn't knew about this 20% rule :roll:

thanks so much for letting me know , I think ill stick to 5000 mah for beginning and then I'll see where I would like to go to...

:glasses2:

[Ace in the hole]

Here is a couple of good sources of battery info for you-

http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/

[vlpil]

Here is a couple of good sources of battery info for you-

http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/

woah ! this is going to my favourites , ill sure spend some time tomorrow reading that , thank you :) :wink:

[wcc963]

so how would this setup be,

Logo 14
TP 6S 5000mah
Tango 45-10
CC 85 HV (considering 110HV)
3x 9650's
401/S9254
V-Blade Tail Blades & Paddles
radix 600's


im looking to do basic forward flight and mild 3D, inverted hovering, rolls loops and others, hopefully moving to harder 3D in the future. im considering the 110 since its the same price as the JAZZ.

[WillJames]

Why not go with the 45-07 or the Orbit 30-12 and go 10s1p 3700 or so? The machine is light enough to where it is right at 7 pounds with 10s1p and a Jazz RTF. The castle weighs an ounce or two more than the Jazz. You will get 7 minute flights out of the 10s setup with plenty of power to spare.

[OICU812]

Agree with Will, instead of going 6S go 10S, sell or return the motor for a 45-07 and be done with it. YOu seem to be tailoring everything around your motor that is not the right way to look at it imho. You should be tailoring the equipment around what the heli is really capable of, even if you are not. You can tone down the performace easily by using a smaller pinion to get longer flight times. The L14 was made as a 3D beast, it will want more power in it. If you truly must stick 6S than I suggest ensuring your pack will fit before proceeding. I am not too sure the 5000mah TP pack will fit, the L14 frames are very narrow, you likely would be better with something lighter like a 3700 or 4350mah FP pack imho.