Miniature Aircraft Ion-X. Thanks helifreak

[t-rexn8]

Whats up Helifreaks. This post was created to thank everyone here that helped me with questions about setups and everything else. Thanks to everyones trial and error I have saved a lot of time and money. Helifreak Rocks!! Thanks to everyone that post pictures, videos, and information.
If anyone has any questions about electric setups please feel free to ask me , I own everything from a micron to an Ion.

[WillJames]

Sweet looking machine, thanks for sharing the photos!!

Glad you are liking it. Once you fly an Ion-X it is hard to find anything else that compares.

[TomC]

t-rexn8,

Heh, looks good! Esp since you only asked one question in this forum about 6 months ago. You must have done a lot of searching, well done.

So what Setup did you go with on your Ion-x? Maybe add it to your signature.

What power supplies are you using? Looks a little light for all those chargers!

Cheers,

Tom C

[Aussieheliguy]

Right on Will, although the Razor does fly well........

Bernie

[DebianDog]

:noteworthy 4 Chargers :noteworthy

[bob00]

Congrats on getting it done - that's one of the nicest looking Ion paintjobs I've seen to date.

If you think it flys great now wait until it warms up to about 20+ deg C and the battery packs really start to deliver - you're gonna love it.

- Rob
TeamBob00
TeamFlightPower

[MAIONX]

if you actually look closer he has 6 + chargers on that thing :WOW

i hope he is charging them in a nuclear bomb shelter :mrgreen:

[t-rexn8]

Sweet looking machine, thanks for sharing the photos!!

Glad you are liking it. Once you fly an Ion-X it is hard to find anything else that compares.

I am looking forward to posting many photos and videos here soon. I am loving the Ion and it is a smooth, respect demanding machine.

Heh, looks good! Esp since you only asked one question in this forum about 6 months ago. You must have done a lot of searching, well done.

So what Setup did you go with on your Ion-x? Maybe add it to your signature.

What power supplies are you using? Looks a little light for all those chargers!

Right on. I spent many late nights reading and searching these Great threads. I tryed to not ask questions that have already been discussed. Thanks. My setup should be in my signature now. I am using a Novak 10 amp, an Alinco 32 amp, and a Pro peak 20 amp. I am looking at getting a 55 amp Iwata (or something like that) power supply and a generator soon.

4 Chargers

Well 4 1010's. I have those and 4 210's, 1 205, 1 duratrax Ice, and 3 of the old small TP chargers. Thanks.

Congrats on getting it done - that's one of the nicest looking Ion paintjobs I've seen to date.

If you think it flys great now wait until it warms up to about 20+ deg C and the battery packs really start to deliver - you're gonna love it.

Thanks. I purchased the canopy from the MA website. I think they use a company out of Arizona. I cant wait for summer. I want a Razor now too.

if you actually look closer he has 6 + chargers on that thing

i hope he is charging them in a nuclear bomb shelter

Good eye. The nuclear bomb shelter is my apartment :lol: :lol:

Thanks everyone. This is fun. How is everyone liking the MA Razor??

[dlemieux]

Nice! Hows it fly now that all the kinks are out? Good looking canopy! I have always been partial to the flames myself. My airbrush guy is flaming mine as we speak.

Dave :D

[TomC]

t-rexn8,

Good to see your signature. Couple of things that caught my eye.

Don't think you really need 105 V-tails. 95's should be plenty and will be a lot easier on your tail servo, and less likely to dig trenches.

The new Stratus white paddles are a lot better than the stock Ion ones. Actually, you can modify the Ion stock ones by blunting the leading edge down by about 4-5mm, but why bother when they are prety cheap to buy.

Give your Trex600 a transplant and go 10s.

Scrap those crappy Emoli's on the swift and use your current 6s Trex600 packs on it.

Just my opinions!

Cheers,

Tom C

[Huthy]

Don't think you really need 105 V-tails. 95's should be plenty and will be a lot easier on your tail servo, and less likely to dig trenches.

The new Stratus white paddles are a lot better than the stock Ion ones. Actually, you can modify the Ion stock ones by blunting the leading edge down by about 4-5mm, but why bother when they are prety cheap to buy.

While I might be new to electrics, I am not unfamiliar with 90 sized machines, which realistically, the Ion is.

105 Tails are SPOT ON (in my opinion), the added tail authority is well worth it, and you may actually find that the gyro and servo needs to do less work. The vertical fin on the Xcells is easily long enough to prevent the trenches.

Also, the paddles are a non issue for you... you have V-Paddles... SAY NO MORE... doesn't get any better than that.

Should be an awesome machine.

Regards,

Chris

[WillJames]

Don't think you really need 105 V-tails. 95's should be plenty and will be a lot easier on your tail servo, and less likely to dig trenches.


I to am runnign the 105's and like them better than the 95's personally. Harder to keep the tail out of the grass when I get wild on autos, but overall I like the 105's a lot better. I am running about 1850 on the head. 95's were enough when I ran 2100+, but I much prefer 1800 and 105's now. I have also started runnning 710mm V-Blades instead of the 690 V-Blades I used to run. At 1800 I get more flight time than I did with 690's at 2100.

The Ion should have come with the already cut white paddles, the same ones that come with the Stratus if the kit was bought within the last say 6 months or more. I also like these paddles they are quick and less pitchy than the older MA white paddles.

As for the Razor. I ahve about 5 flights on Clint's and now 5 flights on my own and I really like them. It flys way lighter than it is, and in the wind it penetrates a LOT better than the lighter 50 sized machines I have.

[TomC]

Chris (from MinAir) recommended to me a while ago to not go larger than 95 tail blades as these were much easier on the tail servo and tail gears. This was good enough for me and I have stuck with the stock Ion tail blades ever since. Never had a problem and have lots of tail authority.

The simple test (from CMS, after getting your gains right) is to put your heli into a hard climb-out on hh and see if it holds. If not, you may need larger tail blades. Of course, if you're over-pitched, no tail blade, any size, will help.

If you go to larger tail blades than you actually need, you are just wasting power and working your servo harder than you need to imop. Maybe this does not apply to nitro's, I'm not sure, and do not intend to find out.

In Will's case, since he really likes low headspeeds (like 17-1800 rpm), he might find larger tail blades are better. I found this to be the case with my Swift when I went to a softer, lower hs setup. Remember your hs and tail roto speed are inter-related.

Cheers,

Tom C

[Huthy]

Wait till you start doing tail stand launches or fast backwards flight ... then your mind might change.

[TomC]

Wait till you start doing tail stand launches or fast backwards flight ... then your mind might change.

Ya if I ever get as good as you, the first thing I'll have to do is upgrade my Fut 401 gyro!

Cheers,

Tom C

[WillJames]

Chris (from MinAir) recommended to me a while ago to not go larger than 95 tail blades as these were much easier on the tail servo and tail gears. This was good enough for me and I have stuck with the stock Ion tail blades ever since. Never had a problem and have lots of tail authority.


That was back when everybody ran very high headspeeds and some vibs were introduced with the larger than 95 tail blades. With the slower headspeeds and running 710's you really need 105's IMHO.

[TomC]

Ya, same as I've found, lower hs's and longer main blades, need larger tail blades. As long as they don't touch!

Cheers,

Tom C

[DebianDog]

IMO Paddles and tail blade sizes are a "preference". I have 95mm V's on my TREX600 and 105mm V's on my Rappy 60.

I am not a big fan of the V paddles on my Raptor so I went with and like the Quick UK paddles.

[TomC]

I think you're right Dog. Head-speeds, main blades, tail blades, paddles, and flybar length are reallly all "preference" things imop.

All these are interrelated and you just need to find the right combo for your flying style.

Cheers,

Tom C

[t-rexn8]

Thanks for all the kind words and great suggestions. Also I have been considering a 10s .50 but I dont know if I should go the Razor route. I am not completely satisfied with the 6s on the 600 but it is far from dissapointing. Especially with the torque tube, 600xl, and the evo 20's. Someone needs to convince me to get a MA Razor or another Ion with Actro 32-3. :twisted:

Anyways I also called Chris at MA and asked him about tail blades. He did recommend starting with the 95's but said that the 105's would be OK. He did mention the vibration possibility too. More or less it seemed to be personal preferance. I tried the 95's for the first 10 flights or so analyzing the performance and basically it just wasnt enough for my flying style. Its not that the tail did not hold well, it is that my tail authority, respone, and overall speed just was not fast enough. THat is with no expo on tail and tail servo traveling as far as possible without binding. I then installed the 105's and first noticed the tail wagging pretty bad. I went to adjust the gyro gain and noticed it had been at 100% with the 95's the whole time and did not wag :shock: Oops. Well I set the gain down to 45% on JR 9303 and Boom Awesome rock solid hold and sweet piro performance in those critical fast moving manuevers. I like my tail to whip around pretty fast :twisted: . To me it is like this... I would rather have more than enough than not enough or even just enough, even if I dont need to use it all the time. As far as how hard the gyro is working this is all balanced out through gain adjustment. If you have bigger tail blades the tail rotor itself is doing some of the work and is more responsive and powerful. Therefore you must reduce the gain to lower the sensitivity and the amount of work the gyro is doing. IMHO Me likey the 105's :glasses2:

[TomC]

Glad it's all working out well for you.

Now if we can just talk you into trying your Trex600 on 10s using your Ion packs and move the 600 packs to your Swift!

Cheers,

Tom C

[t-rexn8]

I will either convert my 600 to 10s or get a Razor. The E-molis will be gone soon :D . What do you think? 10s T-rex 600 or Razor?

[TomC]

Well, I'd probably start off by just upgrading your 600 to 10s, but use the same components that you would use on a Razor. Then, if you want to pick up a Razor (I'm sure we will all end up with one eventually!), you're already equipped for it.

Cheers,

Tom C

[t-rexn8]

So what are the current "hot setups" for the Razor ??
Best flight times and power?

[t-rexn8]

Razor on the way with Tango 45-08. Any comments or suggestions?