View Full Version : Problem with HV110 on Ion-x
WillJames
02-20-2007, 03:13 AM
I am not sure why you don't want to run GOV mode on these ESC's Tom. For me that is the reason I changed to running teh CC ESC's. The excellent GOV mode programming and options. Once you go GOV you will never go back right? ;)
Aussieheliguy
02-20-2007, 03:20 AM
Right on Will :wink:
I am not sure why you don't want to run GOV mode on these ESC's Tom. For me that is the reason I changed to running teh CC ESC's. The excellent GOV mode programming and options. Once you go GOV you will never go back right? ;)
Will,
The main reason I bought the 110HV was to get ready for 12s later this year, when the new Ion belt===drive mod finally comes out. I also thought that the gov mode might be useful in case MA did not come out with enough large ratio belt setups for my 1050kv Neu 1521/1.5f motor.
My then current setup with a Hacker 77-heli esc, 50t gear, and 100% flatline throttle curves was doing very nicely, @ ~1900 nominal HS (~1950 for the first 3 min and ~1850 for the remaining 3-4 min). All my motor, esc and battery temps were great. I could get more runtime (~+1min), at the same performance with 100-90-100 curves, but the hacker esc did not like this, and ran a little hot.
I guess I'm from the old school and have used throttle curves for a long time and feel more comfortable with them. I have tried gov mode a number of times, albeit with far less capable escs than the CC hV's, and have always gone back to good 'ol throttle curves.
The other thing that scares me, besides getting bit on the butt by a big saltie (Aussie salt water croc), is that the gov mode may cause a lot higher peak currents than with throttle curves. My thumbs, and hence collective management, are not near as good as Clint's so I worry that I will end up drawing a lot more peak currents, albeit in small spikes, than Clint's and that this may effect my battery life.
I do not have a data recorder that plots fancy graphs, but with my little 'ol on-board Wattsup meter, I have recorded +20 amp peaks with gov mode compared to non-gov mode. Overall. runtime battery mah's at ~ the same nominal HS's have always been about the same though. This test was with my 10s trex600 and an 85HV esc.
Some gov mode guys like to have 3 or more idle-ups so they can run a number of HS's. I guess if their Tx's would allow, they would have +10! Personally, as an average flyer, I like to find an Idle-up hs that I and my heli are happy with. I do admit to using my 3 idle-up flight modes to help fine tune throttle v-curves, but once I've found the one I, and my heli like, I just stick with it and reprogram all my other idle-up's (and trims) the same. just in case I hit the wrong switch, which I have been known to do!
Also, I do not see the logic of why gov mode, on any CC software version should be more stable than non-gov mode.
While I'm very happy with my current setup and 1.51b sofware, I'm 'Will-ing' to try gov mode with my 110HV. I'll let you know how I make out.
Cheers,
Tom C
WillJames
02-20-2007, 07:03 AM
I think you are missing the point Tom. GOV mode is not to make a not good ratio work in your heli. You have to gear right to make it work.
Not sure about all the rest of your reasoning, I always thought GOV mode made everything work less hard and the amps go down due to only giving what it needs.
GOV mode sure makes the machine fly consistently throughout the flight and allows you to keep away the voltage drop you see with curves IMHO.
ANyway, the beauty of this hobby is doing things how you want to, and you are welcome to choose your methods. For me, GOV mode is easy and SWEET!! I reallly like it.
Aussieheliguy
02-20-2007, 07:23 AM
WOW Tom, your doing well to keep your current draw around 20amps, my Eraptor hovers at 20amps and the Eagletree has seen it draw up to 50+ amps at close to full throttle climbs, of course I'm trying to show the glo boys the light. I've logged ION at well over 2000watts. Thats incrediblely economical power consumption. I also have grown up with throttle curves but I have to say that using the gov modes with these esc's makes life very easy indeed.
The next thing for me is to master low and fast so I can take them on in the drag racing
Bernie
Will, all I can say is that you might want to try fixed endpoints with a 100-85-100 or 100-90-100 throtle curve and see if you notice a differernce.
I'm pepared tp try gov mod if you try non-gov mode, and trade notes.. Seems a fair deal!
Bernie, I reallly don't understand what the heck you are talking about mate! The #'s I gave you were for a much lighter 10s Trex600, not an Ion-x.
Cheers,
Tom C
WillJames
02-20-2007, 09:07 AM
I have tred fixed endpoint mode Tom. I started with the 110 when it first came out last year. I only started running GOV mode once Clint got involved and I saw what I was missing. INHO V-Curves are a lot harder on teh drive train, at least that is my experience, especially when using a 14MZ. GOV mode is easy and fun and works great for me thanks to Clint's help.
That's great Will,
If it works for you, stick with it!
Cheers,
Tom C
OK, somewhat against my better judgment, I rolled my software back up to 1.55 and tried gov mode today on my Neu powered Ion. I set it up for 3 Idle-up HS's; 1650, 1750, and 1850. Using hi-gov, this ended up being 30,33,and 36 flatline curves on my DX7. Most of my esc settings were as per Clints but I started with a gov gain = 20.
Guess what? It all worked fantastic! The heli ran smooth as silk on all 3 hs's and no tail wags or jerks. I probably need to fine-tune the gov gain a bit but at 20 it seemed pretty good. If anyone else with a Neu could post their gov gain setting, that would be great.
Please Will don't say, "I told you so"!
Cheers,
Tom C
mudbogger2
02-20-2007, 09:58 PM
16 on mine running 1920 on the headspeed.
Clintstone
02-20-2007, 10:08 PM
I ended up at 16 also .............if you have noticed the adjustments are actually in increments of 4 ...........after setti ng gain always go back to read device to see where you actually are or what the value truely is.
I would also like to add how important it is to turn off every function that effects throttle value, ex. throttle trim and throttle knobs. I am glad to see everyone is having the same succes that I am using the CC controls....... it is great to read feed back from all of you, I am most impressed at how open minded each of you have been, in short, very refreshing.
Thanks guys.
Cheers,
Tom C
WillJames
02-21-2007, 04:49 AM
Glad to hear you got it sorted Tom.
I am at 16 on the gain with a 32-3 but I think the NEU's take a little higher gain, I think my T-REX/NEU 1512 was at 20 or 24, can't remember exactly and sold the heli. Do you remember Clint?
Aussieheliguy
02-21-2007, 04:50 AM
Hey Tom, I thought you were talking about your ION. Sounds like you might be converted like I was to GOV mode
Bernie, ya it's on my Ion. I'll give gov mode a good run and see how it all goes. Maybe I'll be converted like many others!
Cheers,
Tom C
Just a quick update,
The gov mode on my HV110/Ion-x, with 1.55 software is working great. I tried a few gov gain settings and have settled with a gain = 20 for now. Like you Will, I am really liking this heli at 1800 hs!
I'm not sure why I was getting throttle surging using fixed endpoints. Patrick from CC got back to me and told me that there may be an interupt problem with the software and CC are currently looking into this. In the meantime, I'm loving gov mode with it, another convert!
Cheers,
Tom C
Clintstone
02-26-2007, 12:13 AM
We set HV 110 on Chris's Ion this weekend and it was honking. I was really impressed at how easy it was to setup once we got all the trims turned off in the Z. I flew in Florida and Alabama this weekend and in both cases I feel my 12s Ion was the best performing heli at the field and I never did anything but tie my 3700 and 4350 evo packs down. I am getting a solid 5 1/2 min on 3700's and a solid 7 min on 4350's. The heli is working great and I have a setup that never has power decay...............exactly what I wanted when I started testing the 12s setup, I havce had the 10s there for a while but the 12s with the CC Hv85 is hard to beat.
Glad you like the setup Tom.
OICU812
02-26-2007, 03:15 AM
7 mins on 4350 is impressive Clint. Any idea on how long till we see those Ion X (2)s'? Hopefully before spring, my flying season begins in two months tops.
:smokin:
Clintstone
02-26-2007, 06:50 AM
Shawn I would say call Timm at the shop and pre-order as they are working on a new manual now I believe and that is really all that is holding things up.
Stan C
03-30-2007, 07:35 AM
Clint, do you run your HV85 in governor mode or fixed throttle when using a 12S set up?
Stan C
Stan,
I don't know what Clint is running on 12s but I would guess it's gov mode. From what I have seen in a few forums, the older hv escs did not do so well with 12s gov mode because the higher cell voltage, and hence higher voltage fluctuations, caused a problem with the gov hardware/software.
I understand that Castle Creations has actually revised their board to address this problem. If you do find that this is a problem they will apparently fix and/or replace your HV esc.
Cheers,
Tom C