420LF in a Fliton Mini Extra 330S

[Plane Hazza]

Hey all,

I was thinking about getting one of this planes to extend my 3D skills. All I can do atm is loops, snap rolls, barrel rools, stall turns etc, but I don't think my current model (using a sh*tty brushed 400 motor) will let me do anything more than that, so I've reached a bottleneck as far as progressing my skills goes.


Basically, I'm interested in one of these Fliton kits (http://www.alshobbies.com/shop/cat.php?id=317&Desc=), mainly this one: Fliton Mini Extra 330S (http://aero.alshobbies.com/fliton_mini_extra.html)

I have a spare Align 420LF motor and 25A Brushless ESC lying around so I was wondering if I could use them in the Fliton kits, as the specs of the 420LF seem close to what the above mentioned review recommends.

For servos I'd get 4 HS65HB servos and I'd get a Futaba or GWS 6ch Rx.

Would that likely be a good model for me to move onto?

Thanks!!

[PlasticHead]

I have flown 3D planks for a number of years and I would not get a Fliton for 3D flying. If you want to have fun get a 3D profile. They come in all sizes and are super easy and super fun to 3D.

Some examples of 30" 3D profile:

http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/detail.aspx?ID=1507

http://www.billyhellrc.com/votec35.html

Or if you want to build it yourself:

http://kalteisen.com/?f=airplanes.txt

If you have to have a fuse and want some somewhat scale:

http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/NewARFs.aspx

http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/detail.aspx?ID=1837

A lot of people learn to 3D with foamies:

http://www.3dfoamy.com/

http://www.fancyfoam.com/default-old.htm

Good Luck

:Bang

[Plane Hazza]

Wow thanks for a VERY helpful reply PH!!

I'd prefer to get a fuse if possible. The Katana and Yak54 look amazing but they're a bit too big and expensive I think :(. I still live at home so storage space is minimal, and I would like to give myself a budget of £200 (~$390).

I'm only a a beginner at 3D, but I can do stunts pretty well on the sim, its just that the motor setup on my Elite is far too underpowered to even let me perform a stall turn well (I have to hit full rudder before I'm fully in the vertical!).

I like the look of the Fliton series. Do you mind if I ask why you are not a fan of them?

Do you know if an Align 420LF brushless motor and 25A ESC would work on this type of model? I know a lot of people use the AXI and Hacker motors on these models.

Thanks again!!

[PlasticHead]

Wow thanks for a VERY helpful reply PH!!

I'd prefer to get a fuse if possible. The Katana and Yak54 look amazing but they're a bit too big and expensive I think :(. I still live at home so storage space is minimal, and I would like to give myself a budget of £200 (~$390).

I'm only a a beginner at 3D, but I can do stunts pretty well on the sim, its just that the motor setup on my Elite is far too underpowered to even let me perform a stall turn well (I have to hit full rudder before I'm fully in the vertical!).

I like the look of the Fliton series. Do you mind if I ask why you are not a fan of them?

Do you know if an Align 420LF brushless motor and 25A ESC would work on this type of model? I know a lot of people use the AXI and Hacker motors on these models.

Thanks again!!

The Fliton planes always end up heavy with a high wing loading making it very hard to 3D them, they usually are stable and pattern okay though. Here is a build thread at RCGoups for the Mini Extra
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=499534&highlight=Fliton+Extra+330+Mini

The 420LF is a high KV motor (3200kv) and could not be run direct, you would have to put it in a gearbox like the Cobri gearbox.

I know you like the look of the Fliton but for a good 3D flying experience get a plane with very low wing loading and large control surfaces. The reason profiles work so good is they are very light and are not really limited by the constraints of trying to look scale, the also are very stable at most attitudes at low speeds which is ideal for 3D training. an advantage of the 3DHobby shop planes which are only $30 more than the Fliton is you can use the same battery in it as you do your Trex. WHatever you do build it as light as possible, it makes a bigger difference in planks than Heli's.

[Plane Hazza]

Thanks again! Your help is very much appreciated and I'll make sure to take it into consideration!!

I thought that the Kv would be too high, never mind! I like the look of the Hacker A20 motors.

I'll have a think. My car tax/service/MOT is due soon so I'm going to be very scint anyway, probably not get a model after all :(

[Plane Hazza]

This is what I decided on btw:

http://aero.alshobbies.com/fliton_mini_inspire.html

[WayneBrown]

Finding a prop adapter for the 420 is the issue, not the motor.. I ran a 7x4 prop with no issues other than it was noisy.

[Plane Hazza]

Finding a prop adapter for the 420 is the issue, not the motor.. I ran a 7x4 prop with no issues other than it was noisy.

I just bought a Hacker A20 20L. I think the 420Lf would have been too heavy anyway.

Thanks!

[mx400]

If you do get a fliton you will be quite happy they are very nice performers but do not 3d as easy as a profile of course but still extremely capable. Just be shure to get a good power plant.

[Plane Hazza]

If you do get a fliton you will be quite happy they are very nice performers but do not 3d as easy as a profile of course but still extremely capable. Just be shure to get a good power plant.

Ive got the inspire mini with an A20 and 25A ESC. The most ballistic setup but its my first true 3D plane and it will be more than capable enough for me :)

Can't wait to finish Uni so I can maiden it (1 more week yay!!!)