View Full Version : Powerhouse for a Logo 600 3D
Klinger
03-04-2007, 04:37 PM
Well i guess like others your getting your shopping lists together for the new Logo 600. I'm trying to sort everything out and have it ready for the airframe. I know motor setups are similar to the 14 but am interested on your thoughts for the latest offerings in motors. I'm looking for good 3D power but it dosent have to be over the top.
So this is to run on 10S with 2200+ HS swinging prob 600mm radix.
Motors in my list now are
45-07 (i thought the 08 fell into the over the top category :lol: )
and the
actro 24-3
I'm not really sure about the neu 1y or the new? Z40 hence the post
rest of setup will prob be
9451's
55-10-32
611 gyro
no v-stab...maybe one day!
evo 20 to power it
Whats everyone else doing!
OICU812
03-04-2007, 05:14 PM
Well here are my thoughts so far on the 6003D
Motor: Actro 24-4 or 24-3, undecided at moment
ESC: Jazz 55-10-32 likely, "perhaps a CC85HV" but it is pretty big in size
Servos: Either 9350 or 9451 Futaba
Gyro: 611 or I may try the Logictech 6100, hear it is good....
RX: Spektrum AR7000
BEC: Western Robotics "newest one at RH and RCFlight..."
Lipo: FlightPower 10S1P 3700, currently run these in my L14
Main Blades: 603mm BBT Maniacs
TR Blades: 92mm Radix or MAH 90mm
Target HS will be 2250 for my liking.
This is where I am at so far with this next heli in thought.
:wink:
Klinger
03-04-2007, 05:46 PM
Hey shawn, can you enlighten me about the differences between the 24-3 and 24-4 and what is your deciding factor going to be?
OICU812
03-04-2007, 05:50 PM
KV is the difference mainly, the 24-3 however will only be good to 10S, however it will turn faster as per the gearing and may provide more tourque.
BobbySmith
03-04-2007, 06:35 PM
Hands down a 24-4 or a 24-3 on CC85 iam going with a 24-3 with the CC85
Bobby
Lorents
03-05-2007, 04:33 AM
The Actro looks pretty good, so I will probably go for one of those too. 10S 3700 EVO packs, and perhaps a CC85HV unless Kontronik can get a higher amp ESC out on the market.
I'm going with a neu 1915-1y with flightpower 10s 4350mah packs.
Cc85hv for an esc, hitec 6965s on cyclic and a 611/9256 on the tail.
620mm v-blades for mains.
Should be pretty fruity power.
I just can't bring myself to buy a v-stabi, price is still too high. Could buy another two battery packs for the cost of it and just fly more !
I'm ready for summer, dammit !
OICU812
03-05-2007, 05:34 PM
Nathan a 1915-1Y? You think man? I dunno about that one....what is your madness on that motor out of curiousity?
Nathan a 1915-1Y? You think man? I dunno about that one....what is your madness on that motor out of curiousity?
I want to run larger than 600mm blades on it.
I don't see any point to "upgrading" to the 6003d from my current logo 14, if I were to run it on 600mm blades. The 6003d will definitely be heavier than the logo 14.
However the 600 3d is going to be a killer setup on 620-640mm blades, either on 10s 4350s or 12s 3700s, with an appropriate motor.
The neu is only 30g heavier than my current hacker a50 14s, but vastly more efficient and at least as powerful.
jmiceli11
03-05-2007, 07:43 PM
What about the Orbit 30-12? Not a good choice?
OICU812
03-06-2007, 04:02 AM
Orbit would be fine to yes, likely a 16 or 17tooth will get you in range on the 6003D.
Other motors that will work well on the 6003D are
NEU 1912-1Y
ZPower Z50A-800
Tango 45-08
Tango 45-07
NEU 1515-2Y "Possibly"
helimitt
03-19-2007, 06:24 PM
Im new in the heli business. I do not know the controller CC85HV. Can anyone tell me the b sorand or the website. Thanks.
spence46
03-19-2007, 06:35 PM
Castle Creations 85amp High Voltage model.
http://www.castlecreations.com/
helimitt
03-22-2007, 04:24 PM
Thank you spence46. I will visit the site. I live in Europe. Current brands are Kntronik en Schulze. Do you think the CC controler is better. Someone has opinion. I am flying Logo 10. I am thinking to buy Raptor 620E or Logo 600. I saw the Logo 600 has direct linking of the servos. The raptor indirect linking. Which one is better. Is there someone can give the opinion. Thanks.
Klinger
03-22-2007, 05:24 PM
The kontronik esc's have by far the better reputation, there soft start is simply the smoothest around and can be adjusted with the progcard if required. I once used some CC stuff and sure there ESC software is extensive but its almost too much (parameter wise) to get setup properly. Again it may depend on what voltage your running as the jazz 55-10-32 is only good for 10S while the 85HV will go to higher voltage ratings. I just bought another Jazz for mine.
The mikado direct links to its ccpm is by far the best solution for driving the swash. Fewer parts counts always is better, keeps weight down, less places for slop to appear and easier to work with. The raptors E's i hear are pretty heavy too and their spares prices arent cheap either.
Summing up, it'd be hard to beat a logo running a jazz
I'm putting together to following to spin 600's on a Logo 14.
Z-Power Z50-600
12S 4000 Maxamps
CC HV-45
The heli will come out at about 6.5 lbs and hit 300 W/lb at only 12.5C! Should give about 10 mins of 3D power. And at only about $300 for the batteries it seems like a very reasonable setup. Any battery should be fine only hitting 12.5C peaks and the Maxamps are lighter than any other offering right now (the spec'd weight matches my real packs, BTW).
It'll have V-Bar too. This should be fun!
This setup should work equally well on a Logo 600.
- John
helidawg69
03-22-2007, 10:34 PM
Jkos,
What blades are you planning to spool-up?
(Wow and Vbar.... man that's just not right... you are absolutely cruel... please post vid when you get it airborne)
-D
Got a set of Radix 600s right now.
- John
OICU812
03-22-2007, 11:15 PM
John, do you feel that 45HV is up to the task man? I am not certain about how that setup will fair on 12S, I am interested in hearing abou tit for sure, please keep us in the loop!! :D
> John, do you feel that 45HV is up to the task man?
With peaks of about 50 A expected (at 300 W/lb), it should be just fine.
> I am not certain about how that setup will fair on 12S
Why would it not?
Thanks,
John
OICU812
03-23-2007, 01:55 AM
Just seems to be a little on the light side. I personally have never known or heard of anyone running 12S on that small of a esc that is all. I really think you'll see peaks well above 50A to.
spence46
03-23-2007, 02:52 AM
Hi helimitt,
No I don't think the CC's are better, but for the money they are very good.
They have a good govenor and the slow start is good too. Where they do exceed though is in the drive speed. If you have a high pole count outrunner, they will handle the high switching speed. Where others will not and get hot, and top rpm will be limited.
That being said, I guess it all depends on the setup you are running.
BobbySmith
03-23-2007, 08:16 AM
Actually wiht the new 25C Flight power batteries you can probably do 8s and get some serious power who knows 6s might even work as well
The cc 45 should work iam using them now on 6s in both of my Stretched L10s iam seeing spikes close to 100 amps i will get some Fdr data posted
Bobby
> I personally have never known or heard of anyone running 12S on that small of
> a esc that is all.
The point of going up in voltage is to reduce current, right?
> I really think you'll see peaks well above 50A to.
I guess I should explain the intent of my setup. My e-Avant setup was good for 320 W/lb based on FDR data and that was trying to hit that as a peak. Under "normal flying conditions" it didn't hit that high. Performance at that power level was awesome, incredible, nitro-burners’-jaw-dropping. That 320 W/lb was going into the power system, not even the delivered rotor power as K.C.’s spreadsheet predicts (which would be lower). Based on that, I classify 300 W/lb at the rotor as a very nice power level to have available.
My goals for a setup were: 1) Easily capable of 300 W/lb at the rotor without stressing the batteries, ESC, or motor, 2) 10 minutes minimum full-3D flight time without stressing the battery, 3) Keep it light, and 4) Keep battery costs "reasonable."
Obviously a 12S setup on this weight heli is capable of more than 300 W/lb. But my intent is not to stress the components to their limits and extract every ounce of power possible, only to meet my 300 W/lb requirement.
Based on math and spreadsheets, 300 W/lb will be achieved at about 12.5C. That should qualify as not stressing the batteries. Peak current at 300 W/lb should be about 50 A. The HV-45 can easily handle that and the average current should qualify as not stressing the controller at all. Since the average C loading is low, flight times should be nice. Maxamps are the lightest 4000 mAh cells I could find and happen to come at a very reasonable price, especially as you move up the discount chain. Because the Logo is so light to begin with, even at 12S 4000, it should come out at about 6.5 lbs based on all the measurements I've done.
I'm waiting for Gary to get the motor in stock before I can finish this up. At this point it is all "theory". Just an idea mostly driven by my personal loathing of the usual 5-6 min 3D flight times of currently common setups which are hard on the batteries and thus require the latest-greatest most expensive packs to produce the expected performance. If another solution exists which allows the use of lower cost packs while being very nice to the packs and getting more flight time, why not go there?
- John
lowflyer101
03-24-2007, 01:43 AM
anyone lucky enuff to get their hand on logo 500-600 series yet ? please post some building :D