View Full Version : Secret Weapon Prototype TRM Motor #2 a G260PUH
10-25-2004, 11:06 AM
I am sure most of you guys into Gassers have seen the results of Motor #1 (231) which HC flew in John's Spectra G 3D Gas at IRCHA. If you have not please check the HF Video Forum for the IRCHA Video of the Spectra G 3D Demo.( http://www.helifreak.com/viewtopic.php?t=2569 ) John Garst and the Builder have a lot of time and effort in the 231 and it shows. The Spectra G itself would probably fly about like that clip from IRCHA even with a stock motor because it is that bad ass. Serious Helicopter.
Motor #2 is a G260PUH that has been worked by TRM to improve the overall user friendliness, performance and also reduce the bad vibs that the 26 is commonly known to exhibit. The motor has a lot of work in it just like Johns 231.
Stay tuned for more info.... We have high hopes for this new prototype and we will definitely let you guys know how it goes good or bad. Toxic Al is da man!!
10-25-2004, 12:01 PM
To bad you guys have to do it this way to make that new G series perform:) hehe
10-25-2004, 01:58 PM
What carb are you using? What are the basic mods?
10-25-2004, 02:02 PM
He could tell you but then he would have to kill you. :wink:
10-25-2004, 03:07 PM
Bill: We will take performance how ever we can get it. With all the competent airframes out there these days, motor technology needs to catch up. :) Your machine was KICKING it last time I saw it fly. What you been up to lately?? :wink:
Falcon: We will share what has been done to the motor, I will find out what I don't remember. Carb is WT645.
Transfer ports modified
Piston modified, lightened
Gasser enthusiasts need to stick together and help raise the bar in gasser performance. We got the airframes from a BUNCH of manufacturers, so powerplants and good and effective tuned pipes are the squaky wheel now. Lets do it!! :lolol
10-25-2004, 03:38 PM
i agree, WE NEED GOOD PIPES, and not $200 ones! Ones that will flow a 26 at around 12,000rpm. Don't ask me way. I still don't have a good one for my 230rc, g23mod
10-25-2004, 03:49 PM
I understand lightening the piston in the G26 helps the bad vibes a lot. ;)
10-25-2004, 03:52 PM
We will see. Soon this will be flying so you guys can see for yourselves. :)
10-25-2004, 03:52 PM
I was wondering if I would get a rise out you secret agent folks, hehe.
William, I made a statement not to long ago on RR that when the bullpen opens, these motor gurus are going to make a killing... No doult the industry has the machines now to take them.. It is going to be fun watching these machine get into the act...
I'm still running basically stock right now, because I'm still doing testing...Have about one month to go on the industrial gasser, and I will be finished...Then I'll get to play..I guess it will be Bham when I show my engine...I'm helping a friend setup to start modifying these engines in Dec...
Hey, don't raise that compression to high, you want be able to use the camper fuel:)
I doult you'll find a good engine man to share much....John needs to kiss and tuck his man in bed every nite, because he sure got a good one:)
Hope to see all you soon
10-25-2004, 03:57 PM
William, I made a statement not to long ago on RR that when the bullpen opens, these motor gurus are going to make a killing...
I don't know about a killing, but there is definitely performance to be gained and money to exchange hands over it, and I am excited as hell about it!!
John needs to kiss and tuck his man in bed every nite, because he sure got a good one:)
Thanks Bill, your right he does. I had the idea to mate a modern technique builder with a top gasser Guru in my head for over 2 years, but it took me a year to talk John (at the Chatt Event) into getting with the builder. Once I got them together, they clicked pretty good. They are both experts in their own right so it was a great match and everything has flowed slowly but nicely so far. Congrats on getting a shop together yourself, its a lot of work!!
10-26-2004, 03:10 PM
Gentleman, I am responsible for the mods done to the new 231 and 260, I will tell you that this is the tip of the iceberg I plan on lots more r+d and I have a real pipe in test form real soon I wiil keep you informed as will John and william. Later, x factor
10-26-2004, 04:16 PM
Excellent! Our silent (for now) partner and master of the motor, is here! :wink: X Factor is in the know on these motors and has a good feel for what attributes are needed for these motors to successfully work in the gas model helicopters! He is a fellow heli modeler as well. You cannot just make a motor with 'a bunch more power" and expect it to perform satisfactorily in a model helicopter. X Factor realizes that and LISTENS to what he gets for feedback on how the motor is performing. Everything you do to these motors has a trade off as well in most cases. These motors have to put out a specific power in a specific operating range and do it SMOOTHLY without adding a bunch of heat (horsepower creates heat).
That's what it's about when designing a new powerplant that you hope to be successful with!! So far, so good!!
10-26-2004, 09:40 PM
"To bad you guys have to do it this way to make that new G series perform:) hehe"
Bill I had to laugh when I read that.... Your a bad man ....I like it :D
Gee I wish I understood all of this talk :)
What's a "Gasser" Anyway?
10-26-2004, 11:50 PM
hehe Tom...You know I love you all:) Besides, I like this secret agent stuff:) It makes gassers interesting..
10-27-2004, 01:02 AM
Well I'm working on a Predator powered by "tip jets" on the rotors.
Looks to be a 6 Lb 90 size with the thrust of 6hp!!!
It runs on straight kerosine and has a brushless motor on the "Starting Pad" that spins up the rotor head fast enough to light off the tip jets. A flip of the switch on channel 8 releases it from the starting pad and away you go.
A bonus is you don't need night blades! :D :D
Yeah, Yeah I know the AMA won't let me fly it at a sanctioned field so you'll have to come to Fidmans Field of Heli Death to see it fly.
10-27-2004, 06:52 PM
Picked up an X-Cell Gas Graphite, converted to a Gas SE today. (Thank Matt!!)
With any luck the heli will be flying by Macs and Mulberry. :) Can't wait to see how it performs. My HUGE Hatori will be here from Ricks tomorrow. (220.00 OUCH!!) I am really looking forward to a real tuned Pipe X Factor!!! :D
10-27-2004, 07:30 PM
yes, Bill.....I agree totally. This "cloak and dagger" stuff really can be fun !
William: get that gasser ready to RUMBLE, bud....and see YOU at Mulberry.
Fiddler: Mulberry or BUST for you too, old friend.
10-28-2004, 07:03 AM
Hopefully it will be ready for Mulberry!!! Maybe even ready for Mac's. :) Possibly working with John Sunday. :D
10-28-2004, 08:09 AM
The new pipe I am working on weighs only acouple of ounces and will cost about $160 for the whole set up and should boost motor output across the power range about 25-30% and will be quiet as well. :twisted: Later, X factor
10-28-2004, 07:50 PM
OH! OH! OH!,, ME! ME! ME! I'll try it!! :wink:
10-29-2004, 04:31 AM
Heck yea, sounds good to me, especially since I just paid 219.00 for the Huge Hatori.
Plus the pipes your working on are from a very capable and proven outfit. Can't wait to bolt one on!!! YEA BABY!!
10-31-2004, 05:20 AM
a real tuned pipe on a gasser heli
10-31-2004, 05:45 AM
We know what you mean. It is about time.....
03-01-2005, 06:15 PM
When will this pipe be availible? I am looking to upgrade to a 26 and am doing a little reserch on pipes before.
03-06-2005, 08:59 AM
the pipe is still in design stage and will go through testing thoroughly before release, at this time ti will be a couple of months. Peace , Toxic Al :twisted: