Raptor E620se and TREX600 empty wieght ???

[hannson]

can anyone tell me :

E620se empty wieight----

TRex600 empty weight----

helis full equiped with servos blades etc, without power packs only...

[Ticidytoc]

E-Raptor - 4lbs 11oz

Trex600 - 4lbs 4 oz