What is the difference between the CP & CPP ?

[y2kgtp]

Just curious....for only 40$ more it seems you get a much better heli

[Stealthpilot]

You basicly get a aerobatic enhancement kit, bell hiller head upgrade 3 cell lipo battery and a different radio (for gyro upgrade) and 3 & 1 unit instead of a 4 & 1, the reciever is seprate now.

[Pinecone]

But it is harder to fly. :)

[Ben Hedrick]

But it is harder to fly. :)

I can tell you from my experience that with the "bell hiller head upgrade" on the CP Pro, this make it much more sensitive and yes more difficult to fly. I actually down graded mine to be the same head on the CP and it is now easier to fly. I plan to change it back once I get much better at flying.

Ben

[Stealthpilot]

I can tell you from my experience that with the "bell hiller head upgrade" on the CP Pro, this make it much more sensitive and yes more difficult to fly. I actually down graded mine to be the same head on the CP and it is now easier to fly. I plan to change it back once I get much better at flying.

Ben
Really? I maybe an odd ball, but I thought it made the heli easier to fly. With the stock head I was ALL over the place, but after the upgrade I was able to keep my hover in a smaller square, it took less stick movement to keep the heli stable. To me anyways, I learned to fly a CP helicopter with my Blade, so I was no expert at the time. Just my .02c

[Ben Hedrick]

[/quote]Really? I maybe an odd ball, but I thought it made the heli easier to fly. With the stock head I was ALL over the place, but after the upgrade I was able to keep my hover in a smaller square, it took less stick movement to keep the heli stable. To me anyways, I learned to fly a CP helicopter with my Blade, so I was no expert at the time. Just my .02c[/quote]

I guess it's just easier for me as it took less stick to make a move, I was always giving it too much stick so it was very "sensitive". Being that it now take move stick it is easier for me as a rookie to fly it. Maybe it's just me but at this time, it's "what ever it takes"... :)

[Ben Hedrick]

By the way, once I "get the hang" of this CP Pro, what would be my next step?
I've looked at the T-Rex 450 and it looks nice. Is it harder to fly?

Thanks, Ben

[Stealthpilot]

By the way, once I "get the hang" of this CP Pro, what would be my next step?
I've looked at the T-Rex 450 and it looks nice. Is it harder to fly?

Thanks, Ben
Oh hell no, When I got my TRex 450 SE (right after I "got" my CP) I thought it was easier to fly! Bigger, more stable, and a gyro that holds the tail!! I got a 401 and was shocked that no matter what input I gave it the tail stayed right where I wanted it. Flying the CP requires you to hold the rudder input to keep the nose straight, with the TRex you wont need to touch it in a hover! It is a little intimidating at first beacuse of the extra head speed, but you get over that quick.

[y2kgtp]

By the way, once I "get the hang" of this CP Pro, what would be my next step?
I've looked at the T-Rex 450 and it looks nice. Is it harder to fly?

Thanks, Ben
Oh hell no, When I got my TRex 450 SE (right after I "got" my CP) I thought it was easier to fly! Bigger, more stable, and a gyro that holds the tail!! I got a 401 and was shocked that no matter what input I gave it the tail stayed right where I wanted it. Flying the CP requires you to hold the rudder input to keep the nose straight, with the TRex you wont need to touch it in a hover! It is a little intimidating at first beacuse of the extra head speed, but you get over that quick.

So you are recommending a Trex over a CP ?

[Stealthpilot]

So you are recommending a Trex over a CP ?
Well, that really depends on your budget. Getting into a TRex will cost you triple what a CPP will cost. But IMO the TRex will be the better flying heli. Just like a TRex 600 will fly better than the 450, but will cost double of what a 450 would cost.(well maybe not quite double, but you get the point) Everyone has to start somewhere.

[y2kgtp]

So you are recommending a Trex over a CP ?
Well, that really depends on your budget. Getting into a TRex will cost you triple what a CPP will cost. But IMO the TRex will be the better flying heli. Just like a TRex 600 will fly better than the 450, but will cost double of what a 450 would cost.(well maybe not quite double, but you get the point) Everyone has to start somewhere.

any I thought RC cars were expensive :lol:

[slikrx]

any I thought RC cars were expensive :lol:
:) Yep... a "nice" Trex setup will be in the $800-$1,200. This is heli, radio, charger and a couple lipos...

As for your specific question about teh Trex being better than a CPP... everything I've read here on HF says yeah...

I can still only hover (poorly) and have been slowly modding my CPP

For me, there's no way I would consider dropping about $1Kon a hobby I *might* enjoy. Now that I know I enjoy it, I'm spending more because I did start with a CPP.

If you're prtty sure you will like RC helies, then I would recommend going straight for the TRex 450. (I plan on getting a 450 in the next few months)

[Rebuild]

From Joliet IL., Hmmm? Think about year round flying! Southern Cal, yeah, I would say go with a Trex or some 400 size machine. They are great outdoor flyers. If you want year round flying and be able to fly some in those IL. winters, go with a 300 size heli that you can fly indoors too. I am willing to bet you won't stop at one heli anyway. You will likely end up with both once the fever kicks in. One thing I think we will all agree on, if you can fly a 300 size BCP type micro you can likely fly damn near anything. :D :D

[y2kgtp]

Now, is a CPP a good flier outside in a light wind? Or, should I look for something a bit larger?

[Buzzkill]

CPP doesnt fly well in wind IMO. I have flown mine in 16mph winds before without crashing but all I could do is hover a safe distance away from myself tail in while the CPP went from 40'-2'. Scarey.

[y2kgtp]

CPP doesnt fly well in wind IMO. I have flown mine in 16mph winds before without crashing but all I could do is hover a safe distance away from myself tail in while the CPP went from 40'-2'. Scarey.

So is it worth going as the next step up from a Blade, or should I look at something a bit larger? All I want to be able to do is fly in my driveway now and then. I would hate to get a CPP, and have a 2nd, indoor only Heli.

[Anubis328]

I have a Blade CP and exclusively fly it outside. Like previously stated, the T-Rex is larger and more stable, but the cost hurts you. Also... crashing a T-Rex is a lot more violent. I've put mine in 5 times now (in a year) and each crash runs you $70 - $100. (one of the five did nothing at all to the heli which was cool). I don't even know how many times I've crashed the Blade, and it can usually be tossed right back up in the air. Less mass = less force, and less force means less damage.

The Blade will be tough to fly at first, but it's a great starter heli. If you can master flying a Blade, a T-Rex will be a walk in the park. (450 or 600)

[y2kgtp]

I have a Blade CP and exclusively fly it outside. Like previously stated, the T-Rex is larger and more stable, but the cost hurts you. Also... crashing a T-Rex is a lot more violent. I've put mine in 5 times now (in a year) and each crash runs you $70 - $100. (one of the five did nothing at all to the heli which was cool). I don't even know how many times I've crashed the Blade, and it can usually be tossed right back up in the air. Less mass = less force, and less force means less damage.

The Blade will be tough to fly at first, but it's a great starter heli. If you can master flying a Blade, a T-Rex will be a walk in the park. (450 or 600)

I think looking at the cost of the Heli, I might move to a CPP after the CX2. It will be several months at least, but I like to research what I'm getting into...

Just being able to fly in a slight breeze in front of my house is a step up from the blade for me. I was full forward getting pushed back by the wind....and only a slight breeze you could feel. :(

[slikrx]

I think looking at the cost of the Heli, I might move to a CPP after the CX2. It will be several months at least, but I like to research what I'm getting into...

Just being able to fly in a slight breeze in front of my house is a step up from the blade for me. I was full forward getting pushed back by the wind....and only a slight breeze you could feel. :(

I wholeheartedly agree with Anubis, but I want to re-iterate how twitchy the CP/CPP can be.

In another thread I made the comment that my crashes were fairly cheap. A Trex flyer made the comment that it is entirely likely that I wouldn't have crashed if I were flying a TRex 450.

Since it seems like you "have the bug", a TRex 450 might be a better choice. And a sim. :wink:

I'm the first person to defend the CPP and I'm VERY glad I got it. But, since your longer term interest seems established, a CPP might not be the most enjoyable...

[Anubis328]

I've actually heard people talking about just skipping the 450 and taking it from a Blade to a T-Rex 600.. I will say going from a CX to a collective head and tail is going to be a big jump. The CX is a lot of fun, but arguably TOO easy to fly. Either way you go is going to be a challenge, because the CX2 wants to hover, where the other helis you're looking at will not correct themselves the same way.

[y2kgtp]

Whoo Hooo...I got a new laptop today, and ClearviewRC runs on it quite well (would not run on my old one)

Need to get my license working from 2005, and I'm good to go! Something to play on, at least, right ? :mrgreen:

[y2kgtp]

Any word if they will make a CPP with a spektrum radio to come with it? I know as soon as I purchased a CP or CPP, E-flite (Horizon) would market it......

[Buzzkill]

I've only heard rumors so far.

[y2kgtp]

I would probably get a DX6, as it's sub 200$......then the Spektrum CPP would be out

[Anubis328]

Get the DX7. I haven't heard a whole lot of good on the side of the DX6. The DX6 is supposed to have a pretty bad lag from the time you throw the stick to the time the servos & such move. For $350 you get a whole LOT of radio, and coverting the Blade CP Pro to a Spectrum will run you another $50 (6100 Receiver).

If you're sticking with the small stuff, you can sell the AR7000 Receiver and the servos. I don't know too much about the servos, but I know there's a market for that receiver. I've got one in my 450SE, even though most claim it's too big/overkill. You can't get that one in the Blade though, but that's where the 6100 comes in.

IMO you're better off spending the extra $150, than shelling out $200, and wishing you had something different.

(I believe they're starting to release Spectrum DX7 kits in other configurations now too, but I haven't seen this for myself, so you might be able to find one with the 6100 for less than $350)