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TTRAPTOR903D
06-25-2011, 02:48 PM
Can anyone sound in about ESC temps on a stock set up on the Data logs ?

I am running 12 pwm with low timing and Gov gain is set to 8. This esc is hot compared to my HV160 on the 700E . It has not gone as far as thermal shut down . I did manage to come down as low as 110 degrees but high as 160 degrees . The 600 MX motor is coming down at about 155 degrees. Im running the rec settings per Castle . Does anyone familiar with castle ESCs know if the Temps rise the higher the Gov Gain ? My packs are 3700 mah 65c and are cool. My HS is goverened at 2250 .. :thinking

TwinTurbo95
06-25-2011, 03:19 PM
Wish I could help. I'm getting my 600e Monday.

Not meaning to highjack your thread, but what is the CC recommended settings?

TTRAPTOR903D
06-25-2011, 04:37 PM
Really, no one out ther monitoring temps out there. WTF?

TwinTurbo95
06-25-2011, 05:30 PM
I guess there all to busy out there flying right now. :noteworthy

whittb
06-25-2011, 10:05 PM
I was wandering if this was going to happen. The manual said 2500 at idle up. If you are running less than that, the ESC and motor are working harder than they need to. Castle ESCís need to be running at 90% to 100% to stay cool. You may need to bump up your head speed and see what the temps running at.

Keep us posted please. There was already a ESC and motor that went up in flames from the 600E pro so be careful with the castle.

TTRAPTOR903D
06-25-2011, 10:10 PM
I was wandering if this was going to happen. The manual said 2500 at idle up. If you are running less than that, the ESC and motor are working harder than they need to. Castle ESCís need to be running at 90% to 100% to stay cool. You may need to bump up your head speed and see what the temps running at.

Keep us posted please. There was already a ESC and motor that went up in flames from the 600E pro so be careful with the castle.
ok 2500 .... Where in the manual does it say that? I thought 2250 was the sweet spot and rec HS? according to the %s im right at 94% I think last time I looked. Was that an HV 80 that flamed up?

Commodore8888
06-25-2011, 10:34 PM
Align recommends 2500 (nuts I know...) for the t600 pro. The manual actually states you'll be around 2700 at 0 pitch with the flat 100% curve they want O.o. This whole deal is actually the reason behind the gear ratio for the tail being lower...and why everyone want's a way to raise it so they can run 2000~2200 with 95mm blades.

Anywho...once I get the two 6s packs in the mail soon I'll be sure to dump you some logged temp data. I've only got 1 6s now just to do some final build setup and it doesn't even get remotely warm.

cb3d
06-25-2011, 11:20 PM
I havent actually temped mine, but both ESC and Motor are hot as Hell to the touch. Packs are luke warm tho. Hyperion 6s 3300 45c.

whittb
06-26-2011, 05:43 AM
Look toward the end of the manual, after the 3GX setup. There is a head speed charts listed for the 600E pro.

But if you are at 95% throttle, you should be ok anyway. this does not makes since to me.

Yours, it was a stock 80HV and 600mx motor from the kit that went up in flames.

I wander if itís something in your castle settings.

Have you checked to make sure you motor is not binding with the extra bearing bracket. I remember ďOnTheSnapĒ saying something about his bearing going out on him. Might be worth looking into.

Good luck, be careful with the Castle at those temps

psena
06-26-2011, 03:34 PM
I have 90įC in finish of flight.
Governor 78%

TTRAPTOR903D
06-27-2011, 06:27 AM
If anyone could post your data logs with your settings (stock esc and motor) it would be greatly appreciated.

scoti333
06-27-2011, 03:27 PM
So I guess none of u guys are running set rpm gov mode?

LegndarySaiyan
06-27-2011, 04:34 PM
I'm running set rpm at 2350. 8khz pwm, med timing. It was hot and humid yesterday and the highest temps on my logs were 150f.

scoti333
06-27-2011, 05:57 PM
I'm running set rpm at 2350. 8khz pwm, med timing. It was hot and humid yesterday and the highest temps on my logs were 150f.

Is this with the stock setup (align motor with 13T pinion and ice esc)?

TTRAPTOR903D
06-27-2011, 07:53 PM
So I guess none of u guys are running set rpm gov mode?
Yes, I'm running Set RPM at 2250. , I changed to 8 PWM today and I flew , I havnt checked the logs but the ESC is too hot . No shut downs as of yet , Im still concerned and this is only sport flying.. I DO love this bird though !!!!!

LegndarySaiyan
06-27-2011, 08:30 PM
Is this with the stock setup (align motor with 13T pinion and ice esc)?


Yes, I've been reading more posts about raising the pwm to 12 and lowering the timing to decrease esc temps so I'm going to try that next time out. 150 degrees F is higher than my cc120 runs but then again in the 600pro, the esc is under the canopy right next to a warm motor and lipos without much airflow.

scoti333
06-27-2011, 08:46 PM
Yes, I've been reading more posts about raising the pwm to 12 and lowering the timing to decrease esc temps so I'm going to try that next time out. 150 degrees F is higher than my cc120 runs but then again in the 600pro, the esc is under the canopy right next to a warm motor and lipos without much airflow.

Hmm you said 2350 earlier do u mean 2250? The CC interface will only allow me 2250 before it goes into red?

. The manual said 2500 at idle up.

How is this even possible with the stock setup? Definitely not in gov mode...

TTRAPTOR903D
06-27-2011, 08:52 PM
Once again... If anyone can post logs, i would like to see what settings you are running along with logs. Im trying to determine if Im gonna keep this ESC. Thanks.

LegndarySaiyan
06-28-2011, 07:26 AM
Hmm you said 2350 earlier do u mean 2250? The CC interface will only allow me 2250 before it goes into red?



How is this even possible with the stock setup? Definitely not in gov mode...

Which version of castle link are you using? I'm using the newest one (3.8 I think). I'll try to post some logs later but I'm definitely running 2358 specifically in idle 2. It gives me a minimal overhead warning and that's as high as I can go before it says too high to govern. 2500 rpm will require you to fly with flat curves of 85-100% instead of the governor. I got three more flights in yesterday but I haven't downloaded those logs yet.

whittb
06-28-2011, 07:54 AM
Scoti333, just stating what is listed in the manual. I would have to assume that the head speed recommendations are based on flat throttle cures and not the CC80HV governors capabilities. There are clearly some limitations on the Castle Creations ESC. How they are getting around this I do not know. My preference is a 2050 head speed witch is well within the Castles limits, but also not at max throttle. This is why I am monitoring this thread, I am concerned about over heating my Castle while running 2050 head speed.

TTRAPTOR903D
06-28-2011, 08:41 AM
There is no way I will ever sling blades that fast. Im running Set RPM at 2239 or 2240 . Its the highest click before it states"too fast for governor" This HS is fine for me with loads of power to spare. Im running 2 versions back of firmware. This version has always served me well with my 700E . I would assume that you could jack the HS to 2300 or better and it would generate the "too Fast" warning but I think it would try and hold that HS anyway, or at least thats what I heard. I dont use curves as I have a flat 70% in idle 1 and 100% in idle 2.

I ran it last night at 8 PWM and It came down at 145 degrees at peak. This flight had a few loops and hard climb-outs and my feudal attempt at tic-tocs . This was a 4:30 min flight. Im on a MAC computer so I don't have the logs on this . The heli dosnt miss a beat it seems . I am running a Western Robotics BEC tied into the pos/neg of the ESC (same set up as the 700E) . Im going to fly with 12PWM today and see what the temps are again. Ive tried 12 before and 160 degrees was peak. I was told by Castle that 145 degrees would be ok, so I think its the nature of the beast. I may try to run a 2s to power the electronics vs the BEC to see if that helps . For the record....I was running outrunner on my 700E for a long while and never had a remotely warm ESC. I was told not to use outrunner mode last week, so now Im experimenting on temps with the 700E (HV 160). I think 12PWM may be the sweet spot on that one. It's funny ,,, I spoke with a guy in Tech support ( no names mentioned) and he told me that outrunner had the ability to run more efficiently because it fluctuated with the power demands of the powertrain. Then I spoke with a guy who is a field rep for Castle who flies helis everday, and he told me to NEVER use outrunner. This guy is apparently the czar of Castle and Helis and is always at the big fun -flys. He is the one who calculated the PWM for me. Im going to call him back after I fly today and see what results I get. I may move this ESC to the rear of the heli somehow to get some air flow, but I cant see this helping but maybe 5-10 degrees tops. Im not sure what Temp this ESC shuts down... I think it is 200 .. I dont want to find out. :wow2: I will be back with more info after flying..

scoti333
06-28-2011, 02:38 PM
Thanx Whittb

Which version of castle link are you using? I'm using the newest one (3.8 I think). I'll try to post some logs later but I'm definitely running 2358 specifically in idle 2. It gives me a minimal overhead warning and that's as high as I can go before it says too high to govern. 2500 rpm will require you to fly with flat curves of 85-100% instead of the governor. I got three more flights in yesterday but I haven't downloaded those logs yet.

Yes I am running the latest versions. 13t pinion and 112 main gear, 510kv and 10 pole for gearing. I'd like to give 2358 a try. Slightly off topic though, how would a 'V' curve be any different from the way a governor works? I've always wondered that...

LegndarySaiyan
06-28-2011, 09:10 PM
I imagine the governor can help compensate for hs loss due to large cyclic inputs rather than just collective inputs like the curve would compensate for. I've run small helis on V curves exclusively. With larger helis I prefer the consistent headspeed from start to finish rather than the ballistic performance for the first minute while tapering off toward the end of the flight.

OnTheSnap
06-28-2011, 10:48 PM
Some thoughts -
Align does not believe in governors. The fact that they don't manufacturer HV ESCs is the only reason they partnered with Castle.

The headspeed recommendations are all based on flat throttle curves. Hmm, how 2005 of them.

The gearing on the pro was set to target 2500 RPM at a flat throttle curve of 85% or so. Lucky for us this gives the perfect amount of gearing overhead to run the governor at 2100-2350.

Thermal shutdown on the Castle is 250F. So 150F in the logs is huge margin.

Governors need sufficient gearing overhead to compensate for LiPo voltage discharge curve, and load changes (pitch). You can ignore the castle warnings and enter say 2500 RPM. The end result will just be the ESC doing a really crappy job regulating rpm. It eventually just acts just like a flat throttle curve. So you're no more pathetic than Aligns flat curves.

The safety speed rating for Align 3G blades is 2100 per a warning on their packaging. Run higher at your own risk. I heard from Revco, and Edge are tested up to 2500.

Running a flat curve like Align suggests is the most inefficient way to get performance from the machine. A good governor at 2250 will actually provide longer flight times and better overall performance compared to a flat throttle curve. So Aligns stock configuration is a loose loose solution.

2250 on 600mm blades just won the Futaba XFC. He used a Kontronik 80HV in gov mode on a Logo 600. What this tells us is that anything more is really just a waste of flight time.

For sport flying 95mm tail is fine. For anything aggressive use 105's

gxc11
06-29-2011, 08:38 PM
Three flights so far...

2250 rpm in idle 2 with HV 80 coming in at 165 degrees F on both flights, few flips and some hard climb outs, still getting used to the new bird, 86 outside!