Why is this Compass section so quiet?

[Rodney]

there have been a few. But thats mostly Vances thoughts LOL ehehehe

[Mike Fortin]

Don't worry....It's about to get MUCH LOUDER! :woohoo

[BigVanVader]

If the Knight is a copy of the EVO then why does the Knight fly so much better?


Who says that?

TM

I do....i'll explain...I have flown three different EVO's...I am in no way bashing them,all three of the EVO's ive flown....FLEW AWESOME!!!!!They are great machines and i wouldnt steer anyone away from one that asked.BUT....for MY style of flying,which is what I base MY opinion on,the Knight 3D flys better...its lighter and you can feel it when on the sticks....it feels the way "I" like a heli to feel.
Its great that we have so many choices.Everyone can fly what suits THEM.Ive found MY 50 size machine.

[Gscott]

I had just the opposite experience. I compared it back to back with my Kasama Titan and Evo SWM and the Evo flew better than both of them. If the new Stubz paddles fix the Raptor pitchiness then the Knight 3D would have finish behind it as well.

[Mike Fortin]

There are many different points in which to base an opinion on, some include:

-Ease of Build
-Quality of Parts
-Cost of ownership
-Availability of parts
-Available support
-How it flys

What's important to one may not be important to the next guy.

I will tell you one thing, putting a Box Stock Knight 3D up against a Box Stock Raptor 50 the Knight 3D wins hands down for both Value and out of the box flying chareteristics.

You can put the Kasama Head on the Raptor 50, but now you have just bought a $650 dollar 50 size machine that IMHO doesn't fly any better with the Kasama Head.

Knight also wins on Cost of Ownership as parts are signifigantly cheaper than that of a Raptor 50.

Just my .02

[SteveL]

kinda smells like somebody will be flyin a Knight before long. I am sure Rodney and Vance know this but if thought there was anything wrong with the knight I would no be kidding them about it. In fact, I would love to know who Rodney thought was bashing the night.

[Rodney]

Well its the copy thing that gets me. All helis have a head,a tail,boom, and skids.
Some sort of power system. How you link it all together somtimes will look like everyone else's. But all in all until sombody has the pat. on them, use what works best from other heli's and inprove on the parts that dont, make it a little cheaper with out loosing qaulity and BOOM you are in the heli bussiness. Damn wish I had a little money to invest. LOL

[TMoore]

There are many different points in which to base an opinion on, some include:

-Ease of Build
-Quality of Parts
-Cost of ownership
-Availability of parts
-Available support
-How it flys

What's important to one may not be important to the next guy.

I will tell you one thing, putting a Box Stock Knight 3D up against a Box Stock Raptor 50 the Knight 3D wins hands down for both Value and out of the box flying chareteristics.

You can put the Kasama Head on the Raptor 50, but now you have just bought a $650 dollar 50 size machine that IMHO doesn't fly any better with the Kasama Head.

Knight also wins on Cost of Ownership as parts are signifigantly cheaper than that of a Raptor 50.

Just my .02


Why do you do this sh*t?

You did it when you were a Raptor Rep, you did it when you were repping for the Vibe and now you are doing it with the Knight.

How many flights have you wracked up on that thing already? Have you owned it more than a month? In Birmingham you were thrashing the beejeezus out of a Vibe and the next week you were selling it. Has that been a month?

TM

[Mike Fortin]

Terry,

Not sure what you mean, when I was flying the Raptors they certainly flew great, the cost ws less than some of the other 90's and they were also relativly easy to build. Now keep in mind we are talking about 50's not 90's.

As for the Vibes, again 90's and they certainly flew great and had their specific attributes (I never was a rep for them) and I had my own reasons for selling them..namely $$$.

Comparing the Knight 50 3D to a Raptor 50, IMHO the Knight wins in all of the above areas...not becuase I own the helicopter ......but becuase I owned a Raptor and see that the Knight 3D is simply a better value both with the initial purchase and in the long run. That's it.

It's simply my opinion and after having one heli for a long time and then getting the opportunity to own other helicopters, the downfalls or perks of your previous machine become far more apparent.

[TMoore]

I can appreciate that it's your opinion but how many flights did it take you to form that opinion?

TM

[Gscott]

Sorry Mike but I have a hard time trusting your observations. When you were a Raptor rep you went on and on during numerous RR threads talking about great the Raptor 50 was. I seem to recall posts detailing how the stock head flew just as well as the Kasama despite overwhelming responses to the contrary. Now you have moved on to the Knight and it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. No offense but I owned one and while it is a nice heli there is definately room for improvement.

[Mike Fortin]

No offense but I owned one and while it is a nice heli there is definately room for improvement.


None taken.


As for the Raptor 50, your 100% right when I was flying them they were very good and worked well for me. I didnt see that the Kasama head flew much if any better than the stock R50..so what is your point exactly?

That was and still is my opinion, I still like the R50 but I by no means EVER said that it was THE BEST 50 out there and I am not saying that the Knight is the best 50 out there either...BUT it sure as heck seems to work well for me.

Am I singing it's praises..yes because it has cheap parts, builds easy and flies great.

And yes, I feel that it's a better value than the R50 and I feel it flies a bit better as well.

As with any helicopter on the market there is always room for improvement, you should know that by now. The good thing is, the folks at Compass are willing to listen and make changes to improve the helicopter as needed.

Choices..they are good to have!

[929pilot]

Thanks Mike, now I know for sure that I want a T-rex nitro. :lolol

[Mike Fortin]

Thanks Mike, now I know for sure that I want a T-rex nitro.


No problem, it too looks like a great heli!

[Ade_Law]

im tottally with vance on this one. EVO is a great little heli but the 3d's light weight, push/pull shared shaft CCPM and low flybar ratio head makes it the winner for me.

Ade

[jaxrotor]

I own and currently fly two Evo50s,SWM and HPM versions and do like the way they fly,but they have alot of upgrades on them...metal yoke ,dampners,main gears and auto hub,wasout assy,not that they have to have these upgrades but it does make a better machine. I recently got a Knight 3D which I have been looking at for a long time and can honestly say that the build of the machine and quality of the parts are great. I dont have alot of flight time on it,but was impressed by how quite the drive train is and the flight characteristics of this out of the box heli.WOW

[ez2bgman]

Having owned a Raptor 50 w/ Kasama head and tail and having flown several other 50's, I can honestly say that the Knight 3D is by far the best machine for the money. You get more machine for $450 than any other current 50 out there.

What other 50 heli comes out of the box with G-10 frames, aluminum spacers throughout, aluminum main hub/washout base/flybar carrier, shared shaft CCPM, unique vibration isolation mount for the engine, and more for only $450? I'll tell you the answer, no other current 50 size heli on the market.

For the aggressive 3D pilot, the targeted audience, it is hard to beat the Knight 3D. It is designed to be pushed hard. It flies exceptionally well when properly set up. This is definitely the 50 size heli of choice, right now, for the hard core 3D pilot.

[Gscott]

I'm glad you like your Knight. I really wanted to like it since I really like the Aurora design. Something changed in the 2nd production run and not for the better. Even after filing my phase block the best I could get was +-11 degrees of pitch. This was not the first heli I've built. I've built and flown every major 50 on the market. It's beyond me why a company makes changes like this to a production heli. In this case it cost them a customer.

As for other 50's, give it 2-4 weeks. Once the 600N hits the market Compass will have a hard time justifying the $450 price tag. For $50+ less than the Knight 3D you will also get a G10 frame, CCPM, and cheaper/more widely available parts. For less than $150 more than the 3D you will get a carbon frame, painted fiberglass canopy, torque tube, metal tail, and more.

Again, I'm glad you guys are enjoying your Knights. It just wasn't the heli for me.

[Chris DeSain]

:badair: Yea right ! not for 3D

possibly in a pig dog heavy smooth flying style but you cant keep up with a light knight ! No way no how unless you missed the set up! :smokin:

But like Rodney said it is all in what you like and works for you !

[Gscott]

So using your logic the 3D won't be able to keep up with the new 600N since it weighs more and has less collective right?

[Chris DeSain]

:? Yea Man you can't beat physics
If the 600N comes in lighter RTF and the CG and geometry is right it will be a rocking heli.

Compass has really hit on a great geometry/CG combo and the weight is right down there !

The Sport for 260 will really deliver a more than your $$ bang for the buck !
You get metal right where you need it and it is also real real light !!

Just one flight and I was hooked on it.

Definitly got you on it not your coup of tea ! Gscott !

It is all about enjoying your ride and we all have a different preference.
Enjoy and be good bud !

[BigVanVader]

Knight 3D RTF at 7lbs 2oz suits me just fine :mrgreen:

[Chris DeSain]

:noteworthy Yea Baby !!! :smokin: It's smoking !

[ez2bgman]

So using your logic the 3D won't be able to keep up with the new 600N since it weighs more and has less collective right?

So I guess you have a 600N in your possession and it is RTF and you know the EXACT weight, right???? :dontknow I don't think so. The numbers posted are more from speculation than anything else. :roll: :?: My Knight 3D weighs in at 7.5 lbs. and I can get +/- 15 * of collective. So tell me where it is lacking compared to the 600N. Just because you could not set up the Knight 3D correct, doesn't mean that you have to try to claim that the heli is crap. I had no issues setting it up and it flies a ton better than my $400 dollar R50 Titan with the $230 Kasam head/fan, $60 QUK tail box, and the $65 Kasama tail grips. Hmmmmm.... Do some math here. With an additional $355 dollars worth of upgrades to the Titan kit, it still didn't fly as well as my Knight 3D does. :lol:

[SteveL]

Knight 3D RTF at 7lbs 2oz suits me just fine :mrgreen:
Vance buy a new scale :D

+ & - 15 Right

Parts availability is the only place I could see it lacking. Parts price may also be a concern.
I must say align has built a reputation for quality (and don't ask me how cause I remember the days of buying 3 parts to get one that worked.)

Now lets all play nice


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