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Greg McFadden
11-13-2004, 03:23 PM
Well, I have just about got this thing ready to test fly, so here are some pictures and comments on the kit.

I've got an OS 61 FX, pitts muffler, and electronics I had laying around consisting of the following
2400SC RX pack (will go buy a lighter one soon)
2x-9252 servos on ailerons
3004 servos on tail control surfaces
525 throttle

Pictures
http://www.helifreak.com/album_showpage.php?full=&pic_id=2478
http://www.helifreak.com/album_showpage.php?full=&pic_id=2477


Pro's:
-Relatively easy construction
-Light weight
-Glass cowl and underwing fairing widget (come painted)
-generous compliment of hardware (even though some of it is crap)
-comes with 90 degree mechanical retracts that are rather good

common arf gripes.
-Crap linkages. absolute crap. (although better crap than many arfs, still crap)

Con's.
-the thin fuse material DEMANDS that the inside of the fuse be fiberglassed less you run the chance of tearing off the firewall in flight. (this has happened to some people)
-for some reason they cut the lower wing spar far more than was needed for the retracts. one is STRONGLY advised to reinforce this area or you run the risk of wing folding in flight (again, info available on boards)
-The retract linkages SUCK. there is no exscuse for designing a linkage that requires a 200+ oz-inch (I managed to stall a 120oz-inch hitec) retract servo) on a 60 sized bird. a better retract linkage design would have made the retracts easily functional.
-Two words... BALL LINKS. using them on the retracts instead of the stock system removes soo much binding... nuf said.
-the engine mounting holes on the firewall are not in a good position for all engines. would have been better to not drill them at all and leave that up to end user.
-you SHOULD strip the covering off the lower third of the vertical stabalizer and fiberglass the lower section. otherwise the horizontal seam along the fuse corresponds to a horizontal grain structure garanteeing a failure in even the slightest mishap/perhapse even in normal flight.

so all in all, prior to maden flight, it is a decent kit, however the retract system (not the retracts themselves) will provide hours of frustration, swearing, and a desire to get back to simple hobbies, like helicopters. So much so that I have disabled the retracts and I will not fight the battle to make them work until the corsair prooves itself a superb flyer.

oh, and on a side rant, why are retract servos still in the dark ages?. lack of proportionality on a 70-80$ servo! WTF. I personally think that the weakest link in mechanical retract setup is the inability to trim the servo endpoint (makes tracts more of a royal pain).

I'll keep ya posted

Greg McFadden
11-14-2004, 06:10 PM
well, I flew it today. It flew quite well and was definately worth it. It is even worth pissing with the retracts (which I now have to do). Flew fine with plenty of power off of that OS 61 FX engine. Unfortunatly I forgot my camera so I don't have any pictures.

Landing... oh landing.... if some "brilliant" person had not dug a 6" deep 1' wide trough around the long edge and one end of the runway so we had some runout off of the dryer belt (which doesn't do much to slow ya down) all would have been fine for both flights. but now I have to repair my rudder due to that and a poor design on the part of the arf (horizontal grain at a horizontal joint is just a dumb way to do things).

but the landings were not anything like a warbird. this thing is a floater! holy cow!. it just floats and floats and floats.... oh, and tip flaps (made out of the ailerons) are kinda fun to play with.

anyways, this plane, inspite of the retract pain, and required modding of firewall/wingspar/rudder gets my stamp of approval. it even looks good in the air.


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WillJames
11-14-2004, 06:27 PM
Unfortunatly I forgot my camera



:DOH

We sure would LOVE to see it in action Greg!!

Glad to hear it went well.

Greg McFadden
11-21-2004, 12:46 PM
well there will be no pictures... and I take back everything good I said about this kit. I just had the elevator FOLD in flight. the carnage was impressive, I hope the engine is ok

Hotshot Charlie
11-21-2004, 01:30 PM
Hey Greg, sorry about your bad luck. One of the guys that fly's at our club, put together one of the Hanger9 Corsairs and he hates it. Says it is crap and won't fly it anymore. Not a good sign for this model. I didn't fly it, but was there when he landed and tore the gear out, not a hard landing at all.... but that is part of the kits problems as you stated in your first comments. It did look like it flew ok, but after your post, it sounds as if it has some other structure issues.....

I hope you can salvage your engine and electronics.

Greg McFadden
11-21-2004, 02:23 PM
yeah, me too... I LOVED to fly it, it was by far the best warbird I have ever flown. but yeah. horizon is getting a phone call tomorrow.

big-al
11-21-2004, 04:17 PM
yeah the problem our local guy was having (that rob mentioned) was the ball link that rotates the retract would pop off and the gear would then rotate 90 sideways, thus making the wheel a skid stop. there is another local flyer with the gear doing the same thing. the plane flys great they both said, its just the crappy way the gear rotate.

sorry for your loss greg,

ThBrtmn
11-21-2004, 04:29 PM
So how did the Elevator fold?
Let us know what Horizon has to say.

Not the same issue but a local buddy here got a Funtana and use the "recomended" JR 811 servos and while in flight the Aileron servos stripped out and the ailerons started to flutter. Down she went through the trees. Amazingly the only damage was to the Main wing and the nose cone... :WOW

Greg McFadden
11-21-2004, 05:28 PM
the retract problem has been solved with new ball links that are available free from horizon

the elevator folded right at the fuse line. I found out why too. the TE of the horizontal stabalizer is made of the softest balsa I have EVER SEEN. it has no strength whatsoever. I think what happened is that the TE failed, followed by shearing off the LE by the flapping of the whole surface.

I saw it snap up a bit in the air, then I had a bit of control, managed to get her turned around and then the whole elevator tore off on the right side and hung down. no elevator control but I still tried to get her down as I still had throttle aileron and rudder.. about half a minute and a tight stalling loop later she went straight in....

WillJames
11-21-2004, 05:42 PM
Damn I hate to hear that. Crashes suck. $$ and time down the drain. The time hurts worse than the $$. Sorry for your loss. I have never owned a warbird, but don't rule it out.

THanks for sharing your .... experience with us Greg

Greg McFadden
11-21-2004, 05:53 PM
this break caused it all.

http://www.helifreak.com/album_mod/upload/45023d53ba21019f145d8b24061f7611.jpg

and now for the carnage shots.

http://www.helifreak.com/album_mod/upload/b74d2a5365301794b60ac387b1677952.jpg

http://www.helifreak.com/album_mod/upload/f066e2639ba9cb3ee515f5b49f10c711.jpg

http://www.helifreak.com/album_mod/upload/81a940daa49f55fac8fcac8670132ec8.jpg

and of course the much maligned retracts frickin survived!

http://www.helifreak.com/album_mod/upload/2ab7ea47c5981e7ea1a3c9ec9cc2e70b.jpg

have fun

3DWannaBe
12-05-2004, 05:49 AM
that is horrible

sorry for your loss

will they make good on it at whorizon

Barcoes
12-12-2004, 07:07 AM
Greg,
What did Horizon do about it?
Sean

Greg McFadden
12-12-2004, 09:36 AM
in theory there is another corsair in the mail. we'll see if it ever gets here. I called them a few days ago to see what was going on and they said" oh we sent you a new kit, but we don't track/require signature or confirm the delivery so we have no idea when it will get to you" (paraphrased).


not sure what I will do with it. I may just try to sell it.

Barcoes
12-12-2004, 12:07 PM
They have always bent over backwards to help me out. I think there shipping system is a little goofy but they have always gone the extra mile for me. Hope you have the same experience
Sean

mgrande11
06-02-2009, 03:20 PM
I almost had the same thing happen to me with the .60 P-47 the trailing edge balsa is cheap soft balsa. I was in a dive and the thing suddenly snapped up and started to flutter. I babied it down and just finished reinforcing the tail. This should not be an issue on a $300 plane.