Walkera genius or blade mpcx

[pmerritt]

hmmm, I agree to disagree on this one. I WILL say that the Genius is a little better suited for people with a little CP experience......BUT at the same time....how may packs of linkages would a new pilot need and how aggravating would it be to have to reset the heli every time you crash. From that standpoint the Genius is a real winner. If a beginner just had someone to help them setup the Genius they would NEVER have to adjust anything except maybe pushing down the collar after a crash. Also, with a noob friendly setup I find the Genius only a tiny bit harder to fly than the mcpx even in small areas. I learned on a 4#3b though and after flying that thing the Genius almost feels co-axial like. So I admittedly may not be the best judge for a stark noob.

[flying-llama]

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I have a devo 6/ genius and MCPX dx6i. I have to say that the genius is NOT better than the mcpx at everything, and that they are not equivalent models, they have very different design emphasis.
The mcpx is larger, a bit easier to fly, and more durable
The genius is smaller, in sports car terms "handles" better, more precise
The mcpx is a tiny bit smoother in transitions for the beginner. What I mean is that when jerking on the collective to try a last second save, the softer handling of the mcpx makes it a bit less likely to loose control.
... It is still a walkera and the mcpx is still an eflite.
What I mean by this is that the Genius is still less about being for beginers and more about being the best performing entrant into the super micro 3d bash into walls and still fly market. As with everything in life there is always tradeoffs for performance. With increased power to weight, smaller parts there is more breaking. This heli is super durable by any other cp standards but the MCPX! however I can say 100% the mcpx is more durable....this is fact, and is what it is.

I can also say that the Genius is more precise handling though, and also that it probably (I only sport fly and minor aerobatics, no 3d) is a better 3d platform. This is Walkera, they are about the enthusiast. ...
if someone is a new pilot, only buying one heli, and is between these two models, I have to say the mcpx takes 1st place. Thats not to say the Genius would be a mistake, only that the Mcpx is a slightly better choice for this person in my opinion.

Now if the person has some experience with real fp helis (no sr120 or cb180z 45 degree semi coaxial stuff, I mean either fbl fp or 90 degree stuff) or previouse cp experiance and wants a heli to improve there skill set, fly indoors, or just wants the best handling sub micro that takes a hit and keeps on ticking, the Genius is the better heli.

The reason why the reviews are so good on the Genius is the early adopters, Vronny, Myself, the RCG crew, Tom Z ect, are not new flyers...
I have a question on which is better to learn moves like flips and rolls on.
Being new at such moves, I imagine
*flipping or rolling at relatively low rates of rotation
*being not that good at collective management
*tendency to 'stick bang'

[f.a.r.m.e.r]

hmmm same old same old lol

[DocD]

hmmm same old same old lol

Yup :hammer thing is that they are both damed good models and we would have given our eye teeth for either a year ago, but if you wanted to you could pick holes in either because neither are perfect, the best one is the one that ticks the most boxes for you :thumbup:

Regards David

[flying-llama]

hmmm same old same old lol

Yup :hammer thing is that they are both damed good models and we would have given our eye teeth for either a year ago, but if you wanted to you could pick holes in either because neither are perfect, the best one is the one that ticks the most boxes for you :thumbup:
...

Thanks for the replies.
And yes, they are even helpful to me (to gauge the size of the differences between the two models) :)

[Gadflyii]

When has there not been a shortage of mcpx parts???? Since release one or more parts have been hard to get. From tail booms, swash plates, servos, frames, the list goes on and on.

Having lhs support means nothing if they can't get parts.....

Oh... And there are more than just wow that sells, and stocks walkera parts in both the USA, and Canada.... Just because wow does not have it, does not mean u need to order from china....

I see a lot of dumb ass crap in this thread.... But i think if one is a beginner, the genius wins hands down, if nothing else for the 6 axis Gyro....

Perfect step from coax to CP....

ZOMG... internets!

[all-thumbs]

I see a lot of dumb ass crap in this thread....


But you're not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, right!

Gadflyii, permit me (perhaps the most preeminent and paranoid dumb ass on this forum) to be the first to respond to your simple post. Gadflii and I are old friends, by the way, so no one be offended please.

There has never been a sustained shortage of mCP X parts in my town, except for a few commonly broken parts which were in short supply immediately after the mCP X was released. Walkera parts are another story altogether. There are few, if any dealers, in Canada who carry parts for some of the most recent Walkera helicopters. RC Flight Store (in B.C.) lists a few parts for older forgotten models like the 4G6. Locally you can get some parts for the Novus helicopters. Jeff Barrett, of RCHELICANADA in Manitoba, used to carry parts for Walkera. I think that he finally gave up on Walkera because they weren't very supportive of his new venture. He found them difficult to deal with. It's all in the 4G6/V120D02 forum. Recently he blew out all his left over Walkera parts. Now he sells primarily Gaui, Compass, and mCP X parts (and upgrades).

So if a Canuck needs to order parts for his Genius, V120D02, M120D01, or whatever, then we have to order from the States or China. That means we have to carefully consider which replacement/spare parts to order, and how many, so as to minimize expense and avoid having to re-order too soon. When you can just pop into your L.H.S. for a quick replacement for your m CP X, you don't have to worry about shipping costs and relatively long waits for your parts to cross the border.

But i think if one is a beginner, the genius wins hands down, if nothing else for the 6 axis Gyro....

If the only real advantage is a 6 axis gyro, then how can it be a hands down winner? If I were a beginner, I think that I would have better luck with the mCP X. The mCP X is more stable and confidence inspiring than the Genius (even when it's in 6 axis mode), and you don't have to flick a switch to 3 axis mode when you want to invert it or flip it. Presently I'm working on setting that #2 switch just perfectly in the middle, so that it will neither be in 3 axis or 6 axis mode (perhaps it will actually be in 9 axis mode). Maybe then, it will behave as well as an mCP X.

Questions, Gadflii:

Ya gotta Genius? Stock or brushless? Didn't you complain early on in the mCP X forum that the mCP X was underpowered? The Genius isn't underpowered in stock trim by comparison?

Perfect step from coax to CP....

Rubbish!

[DocD]

All Thumbs my friend you seem to have a very ideocentric view on this aspect as well, you may have a good model shop in your town, maybe down your street or or possibly on your drive to work, not all of us do have that luxury, some may have to take a special trip to out nearest reasonable model shop on our days off, some of our model shops may not have stocks even then.

For many of us 5 mins filling a basket and then waiting a few days to sign for a parcel is the easiest and most straight forward way of doing it, unfortunately Murphy Law applies equally to to both hobby shops and my spares box you can guarantee the part you really need is not there :arggg:

Regards David

[pmerritt]

The thing i don't understand is why does his Genius fly so poorly. Mine flies beautifully, I have never used the 6-axis mode either because three axis is so good in itself. Mine IS brushless though, i purchased it brushless so i don't know how a stock Genius flies. But i do know that you can tune the heli however you see fit and unless you all thumbs just got a factory dud he should be able to get it to fly just as well or better than a stock mcpx. About parts....almost all of my friends who have the mcpx stock up on parts so they DON'T have to worry about any shortages or visiting the hobby shop. So what difference does it make if you have to order parts to stockpile or if you visit the hobbyshop and as long as you keep the needed parts on hand you never have to worry about waiting on repairs and most of the parts are inexpensive.

[Gadflyii]

But you're not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, right!

Gadflyii, permit me (perhaps the most preeminent and paranoid dumb ass on this forum) to be the first to respond to your simple post. Gadflii and I are old friends, by the way, so no one be offended please.

There has never been a sustained shortage of mCP X parts in my town, except for a few commonly broken parts which were in short supply immediately after the mCP X was released. Walkera parts are another story altogether. There are few, if any dealers, in Canada who carry parts for some of the most recent Walkera helicopters. RC Flight Store (in B.C.) lists a few parts for older forgotten models like the 4G6. Locally you can get some parts for the Novus helicopters. Jeff Barrett, of RCHELICANADA in Manitoba, used to carry parts for Walkera. I think that he finally gave up on Walkera because they weren't very supportive of his new venture. He found them difficult to deal with. It's all in the 4G6/V120D02 forum. Recently he blew out all his left over Walkera parts. Now he sells primarily Gaui, Compass, and mCP X parts (and upgrades).

So if a Canuck needs to order parts for his Genius, V120D02, M120D01, or whatever, then we have to order from the States or China. That means we have to carefully consider which replacement/spare parts to order, and how many, so as to minimize expense and avoid having to re-order too soon. When you can just pop into your L.H.S. for a quick replacement for your m CP X, you don't have to worry about shipping costs and relatively long waits for your parts to cross the border.



If the only real advantage is a 6 axis gyro, then how can it be a hands down winner? If I were a beginner, I think that I would have better luck with the mCP X. The mCP X is more stable and confidence inspiring than the Genius (even when it's in 6 axis mode), and you don't have to flick a switch to 3 axis mode when you want to invert it or flip it. Presently I'm working on setting that #2 switch just perfectly in the middle, so that it will neither be in 3 axis or 6 axis mode (perhaps it will actually be in 9 axis mode). Maybe then, it will behave as well as an mCP X.

Questions, Gadflii:

Ya gotta Genius? Stock or brushless? Didn't you complain early on in the mCP X forum that the mCP X was underpowered? The Genius isn't underpowered in stock trim by comparison?



Rubbish!


Easy there bud, I meant no harm, and no, I was not pointing fingers at anyone (or you for that matter); and no worries, no offense taken.

I just read a lot of second hand speculation, and post that critizied a product and started with "I don't own or fly a XXX BUT..."; I have no problems with anyone opionions and feedback, even if they are polar oppisite of my own, as long as they are based on something. I can't stand nut swinger, and baseless opinions stated as fact.

To get down to it, I live in the Dallas area, there are many good hobby shops, and I have had a pretty good success rate in finding some parts quickly, but the most common parts (head links, swash plates, FRAMES, tail booms assem) I have found that I often have to call around, and drive an hour or more to get to them, but more often than not, the harder to get parts, such as the frames and especially the servos, I have to purchase online.

I personally don't mind buying parts online. I buy parts for just about all my heli's online. Finding parts for my 250's, 450's, 550e, and especially my brand new compass 7hv ( :Bang ) is just not possible.

I am not saying it is not easier to get mcpx parts in the USA than walkera parts. I have many walkera's, and know first hand what it is like to get walkera parts. I have NEVER not been able to buy a walkera part in the usa, either though clubheli, or wowhobbies. I always just order them online, and keep a small stock of common parts on hand (shafts, blades, gears etc.); just like I do all my other heli's.

I do have an mcpx, and I generally like it. It has some issues, for example the servos suck my gimbles; it is drastically underpowered, and the tail hold is poor, even with the new tail blade which is a MAJOR improvment to the original tail rotor.

It is easy enough for someone like me to fly around the mcpx's issues, buy replacement servos, stretch the tail, and practise good collective managment to be successful. No doubt the mcpx is a fantastic inverted trainer. I fly mine 4-5 packs a day, and found it very helpful. Even making things I could already do smoother (peferct example is a pie-dish).

I have flown exactly 2 packs though a Genius CP (2801pro version). I personally really liked the heli, stock for stock, the genius tail holds much better, the servos are better, and it has a bit more power. It also requires much better cyclic managment than say a trex 450. The six axis mode was ok, i thought it would be good for someone learning to fly CP's, if you can already fly CP's, the 6 axis does nothing for you. I found also liked that the 3axis system was adjustable for personal prefrence. after a few quick tweaks I was really happy with both the 6 axis and normal flight modes.

I personally liked the faster, crisper cyclic repsonse on the genius. I found I could bog the !#$@ out of it easily, but It was easy to perform tight flips and rolls keeping the collective near mid-stick; but a beginner would have to set up the DR / and expo to be more beginner friendly (just like the mcpx).

Like the mcpx, the Genius requires a good setup. Like all walkera's you setup up a genius a little diffrently than you would a beastx, sk720, v-bar equiped heli.

I like both helicopters,I don't see a point in owning both, and since I already have an mcpx, I will not buy a genius.

If I were to make a recommendation to a new CP pilot, I would recommend the genius, brushless conversions appear to be easier, and it is painless to do a brushless tail.

If I were to make a recommendation to a intermediate pilot looking for an inverted trainer, I would say it is a wash, I personally lean towards the genius, but only if you already have a walkera TX.

To an expert pilot, well you I wouldn't, as they would likely know better than me anyway.


So yes, I personally would recommend a Genius over an Mcpx to a beginner based on my limited personal experence. With the recommendation they do do some more research before purchasing.

:hug:




Cheers.

[emil_dimitrijevic]

Easy there bud, I meant no harm, and no, I was not pointing fingers at anyone (or you for that matter); and no worries, no offense taken.

I just read a lot of second hand speculation, and post that critizied a product and started with "I don't own or fly a XXX BUT..."; I have no problems with anyone opionions and feedback, even if they are polar oppisite of my own, as long as they are based on something. I can't stand nut swinger, and baseless opinions stated as fact.

To get down to it, I live in the Dallas area, there are many good hobby shops, and I have had a pretty good success rate in finding some parts quickly, but the most common parts (head links, swash plates, FRAMES, tail booms assem) I have found that I often have to call around, and drive an hour or more to get to them, but more often than not, the harder to get parts, such as the frames and especially the servos, I have to purchase online.

I personally don't mind buying parts online. I buy parts for just about all my heli's online. Finding parts for my 250's, 450's, 550e, and especially my brand new compass 7hv ( :Bang ) is just not possible.

I am not saying it is not easier to get mcpx parts in the USA than walkera parts. I have many walkera's, and know first hand what it is like to get walkera parts. I have NEVER not been able to buy a walkera part in the usa, either though clubheli, or wowhobbies. I always just order them online, and keep a small stock of common parts on hand (shafts, blades, gears etc.); just like I do all my other heli's.

I do have an mcpx, and I generally like it. It has some issues, for example the servos suck my gimbles; it is drastically underpowered, and the tail hold is poor, even with the new tail blade which is a MAJOR improvment to the original tail rotor.

It is easy enough for someone like me to fly around the mcpx's issues, buy replacement servos, stretch the tail, and practise good collective managment to be successful. No doubt the mcpx is a fantastic inverted trainer. I fly mine 4-5 packs a day, and found it very helpful. Even making things I could already do smoother (peferct example is a pie-dish).

I have flown exactly 2 packs though a Genius CP (2801pro version). I personally really liked the heli, stock for stock, the genius tail holds much better, the servos are better, and it has a bit more power. It also requires much better cyclic managment than say a trex 450. The six axis mode was ok, i thought it would be good for someone learning to fly CP's, if you can already fly CP's, the 6 axis does nothing for you. I found also liked that the 3axis system was adjustable for personal prefrence. after a few quick tweaks I was really happy with both the 6 axis and normal flight modes.

I personally liked the faster, crisper cyclic repsonse on the genius. I found I could bog the !#$@ out of it easily, but It was easy to perform tight flips and rolls keeping the collective near mid-stick; but a beginner would have to set up the DR / and expo to be more beginner friendly (just like the mcpx).

Like the mcpx, the Genius requires a good setup. Like all walkera's you setup up a genius a little diffrently than you would a beastx, sk720, v-bar equiped heli.

I like both helicopters,I don't see a point in owning both, and since I already have an mcpx, I will not buy a genius.

If I were to make a recommendation to a new CP pilot, I would recommend the genius, brushless conversions appear to be easier, and it is painless to do a brushless tail.

If I were to make a recommendation to a intermediate pilot looking for an inverted trainer, I would say it is a wash, I personally lean towards the genius, but only if you already have a walkera TX.

To an expert pilot, well you I wouldn't, as they would likely know better than me anyway.


So yes, I personally would recommend a Genius over an Mcpx to a beginner based on my limited personal experence. With the recommendation they do do some more research before purchasing.

:hug:




Cheers.



+1 Nice!!! No "heavy" words! But very nice replay! I agree with you!!! Genius CP vs Mcpx = 1.2:1 :)

[all-thumbs]

Easy there bud, I meant no harm, and no, I was not pointing fingers at anyone (or you for that matter); and no worries, no offense taken.



Thanks for your reply, Gadflyii. I meant no harm either. I was just trying to goad you into explaining why you thought the Genius was a better heli. Your reply was most convincing.

Regarding what pmerritt said: The thing i don't understand is why does his Genius fly so poorly.

Perhaps it doesn't fly so poorly. Maybe it's just me (a poor flyer). One thing I can tell you with certainty, is that one of the supplied batteries is a very weak performer (almost a dud). The other battery gives better performance, but lack of power still seems to be a major issue. Perhaps the motor that came with my Genius is a bit of a dud too. I dunno. I would hesitate to order a new motor and batteries for this thing, perhaps only to find that it performs just the same. I'm still experimenting.

[flying-llama]

...One thing I can tell you with certainty, is that one of the supplied batteries is a very weak performer (almost a dud). The other battery gives better performance, but lack of power still seems to be a major issue. Perhaps the motor that came with my Genius is a bit of a dud too. I dunno. I would hesitate to order a new motor and batteries for this thing, perhaps only to find that it performs just the same. I'm still experimenting.
One possiblity that has been mentioned with the Genius is that the Rx wire to the battery often starts to partially break (some strands break) due to a need for a 180 degree bend in the wire (and perhaps Walkera battery connectors being hard to disconnect for the first bunch of cycles). The tricky thing about a partial break is that there is still a circuit, just with effectively a skinner wire with higher resistance.
So perhaps a new battery lead (or maybe even just resoldering the existing lead) may help.

[all-thumbs]

One possiblity that has been mentioned with the Genius is that the Rx wire to the battery often starts to partially break (some strands break) due to a need for a 180 degree bend in the wire (and perhaps Walkera battery connectors being hard to disconnect for the first bunch of cycles). The tricky thing about a partial break is that there is still a circuit, just with effectively a skinner wire with higher resistance.
So perhaps a new battery lead (or maybe even just resoldering the existing lead) may help.

Rafa's helis mentioned this possibility in another post. I checked all the wires after he mentioned that, and I even soldered on a new battery connector for the stock lipos (after I had experimented with a connector for the mCP X batteries).

Anyway, your reply got me thinking again. I checked all the wires and solder points again. No obvious problem. Then I decided to take the main motor off to have a better look at the pinion gear. I was thinking of pulling it off (with a pinion puller) to install on another motor as an experiment. To my stupid surprise, I was able to pull it off (relatively easily) between my feeble old thumb and forefinger. :oops:

I'm so stupid, stupid, stupid. Did I mention senile already? A slipping pinion gear would account for the relative lack of power that I have been experiencing (especially at the extremes of collective/pitch). One of the batteries is still crappy, though.

Why didn't this occur to me sooner? When the pinion gear on my T-rex 250 (which had to be fixed with green Loctite R48 initially) started to slip, it didn't take me long to figure it out. Never had this problem with one of these little buggers before. Usually need a pinion puller to remove them.

I have reinstalled the pinion gear with some R48 and will let it set overnight. Then tomorrow, maybe it will be a whole new heli. I may have to prepare a toenail salad.

[DocD]

I'm so stupid, stupid, stupid. Did I mention senile already? A slipping pinion gear would account for the relative lack of power that I have been experiencing (especially at the extremes of collective/pitch). One of the batteries is still crappy, though.

Why didn't this occur to me sooner? When the pinion gear on my T-rex 250 (which had to be fixed with green Loctite R48 initially) started to slip, it didn't take me long to figure it out. Never had this problem with one of these little buggers before. Usually need a pinion puller to remove them.

I have reinstalled the pinion gear with some R48 and will let it set overnight. Then tomorrow, maybe it will be a whole new heli. I may have to prepare a toenail salad.

Would you like a side order of fries and coke to go with the toenails :D just teasing my friend, maybe that was the problem, we all find the genius to be reasonably powered Bob even said so in his video.

Regards David

[all-thumbs]

So, is interest in the Genius dying already? Last post today was by Varc in response to Fujihara's 2 in 1 video. Not much better over on the RCGroups forum. Finless' flight evaluation was not all that reassuring, for a beginner. Flips are faster and rolls are tighter, he said. Not as stable as the mCP X he said. He also said: It has some unique things to it. Like when you do a flip, it goes over slow and then it just whips back around. He's just trying to be kind to it. When you read between the lines, you realize that this heli is not best for beginners in 3-axis mode.

Regarding my pinion gear fix: It's better, but not a spectacular difference. This heli requires much more precise collective management in 3-axis mode than the mCP X. I'm not giving up. Here's a couple of videos. The Genius is a hell of a lot faster and more squirrely than the mCP X. It requires an experts touch in 3-axis mode. You can see why I like my mCP X so much. I disagree with Finless that the Genius flips faster (well, maybe just a bit).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIYz32iG23k&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmKnzqWWWm0&feature=player_detailpage

[carl-b]

So, is interest in the Genius dying already? Last post today was by Varc in response to Fujihara's 2 in 1 video. Not much better over on the RCGroups forum. Finless' flight evaluation was not all that reassuring, for a beginner. Flips are faster and rolls are tighter, he said. Not as stable as the mCP X he said. He also said: It has some unique things to it. Like when you do a flip, it goes over slow and then it just whips back around. He's just trying to be kind to it. When you read between the lines, you realize that this heli is not best for beginners in 3-axis mode.

Regarding my pinion gear fix: It's better, but not a spectacular difference. This heli requires much more precise collective management in 3-axis mode than the mCP X. I'm not giving up. Here's a couple of videos. The Genius is a hell of a lot faster and more squirrely than the mCP X. It requires an experts touch in 3-axis mode. You can see why I like my mCP X so much. I disagree with Finless that the Genius flips faster (well, maybe just a bit).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIYz32iG23k&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmKnzqWWWm0&feature=player_detailpage

What he said was in stock setup its not as stable but if the tx is programmed correctly then in his opinion its better for a beginner than the mcpx as its much more docile, but can also do better 3D - IF the tx is set up correctly :thumbup:

[flying-llama]

What he said was in stock setup its not as stable but if the tx is programmed correctly then in his opinion its better for a beginner than the mcpx as its much more docile, but can also do better 3D - IF the tx is set up correctly :thumbup:
It seems like part of the difference in opinion on which is better "stock" for beginners is due to different definitions of "stock":
1. to some, "stock" means the physical heli as it comes out of the box, but one can alter the programming and settings.

2. to others, "stock" means the physical heli and Tx as they come out of the box, as well as the settings (except for perhaps trim) as they come out of the box.

The mcpx and genius can both be dialed down (program low rates with expo, set the genius gyros to be more sensitive) to be more docile for beginners than the settings initially given/mentioned.

Of course another part of the differences in opinion is just that 2 copies of the same heli can behave quite differently (get a good copy of an mcpx and a bad copy of a genius or vice-versa).

[carl-b]

It seems like part of the difference in opinion on which is better "stock" for beginners is due to different definitions of "stock":
1. to some, "stock" means the physical heli as it comes out of the box, but one can alter the programming and settings.

2. to others, "stock" means the physical heli and Tx as they come out of the box, as well as the settings (except for perhaps trim) as they come out of the box.

The mcpx and genius can both be dialed down (program low rates with expo, set the genius gyros to be more sensitive) to be more docile for beginners than the settings initially given/mentioned.

Of course another part of the differences in opinion is just that 2 copies of the same heli can behave quite differently (get a good copy of an mcpx and a bad copy of a genius or vice-versa).

Yeah from what I've read I would agree with you, I don't own one but have read all the threads and watched all the vids lol

[DocD]

So, is interest in the Genius dying already? Last post today was by Varc in response to Fujihara's 2 in 1 video. Not much better over on the RCGroups forum. Finless' flight evaluation was not all that reassuring, for a beginner. Flips are faster and rolls are tighter, he said. Not as stable as the mCP X he said. He also said: It has some unique things to it. Like when you do a flip, it goes over slow and then it just whips back around. He's just trying to be kind to it. When you read between the lines, you realize that this heli is not best for beginners in 3-axis mode.


I though it was a very Fair review on Bobs Video All Thumbs or perhaps you only listened to the parts you wanted to hear, so I will just help you out with the quotes in Bob words

"Right off the bat this has more power stock than the MCP X"

"Some are claiming its not as good for a beginner as a blade I would tend to disagree with that to some extent if you program in some expo" " On the other hand its far more 3D capable its quicker".

So now you have a video showing you how to set up this great little heli your problems should be over :rolling

Regards David

[Gadflyii]

All thumbs,

What is your DR/expo set to? Have you adjusted your All-in one pots at all?

It is really hard to see the heli in your videos, but based on your posts I am assuming that you are finding it a bit touchy?

If you already are running +20-30% expo try trimming your pots a bit:

For your FBL pots:

Turn the "Bal delay" down a very small amount at a time to see if you can get a bit more "locked in" feel you are looking for.

You can also very slightly turn up the elevator and alieron gains.

** remember to unplug the batt, make the change then plug the bat back in **

[flying-llama]

So, is interest in the Genius dying already? Last post today was by Varc in response to Fujihara's 2 in 1 video. Not much better over on the RCGroups forum. ...
Dying? In the main RCGroups thread on the genius, there were over 50 posts yesterday, and over 80 posts the day before (Oct. 19, 2011).

[vronny]

Dying? In the main RCGroups thread on the genius, there were over 50 posts yesterday, and over 80 posts the day before (Oct. 19, 2011).If you want to talk about mcpx HF is the place. But if its about the genius cp the rcgroups is the place. You see some of the same people on both:thumbup:

[rdlohr]

After reading Finless Bobs rambling commentary I was ready to order a genius just for fun, but since it has a proprietary receiver that would require me to get yet another transmitter, I think I'll hold off. There is something to be said for compatibility. I switched from Futaba to JR when going 2.4 just so I would have a transmitter compatible with many BNF machines. Too bad, sounds like a fun little heli.

Rick

[rdlohr]

If you want to talk about mcpx HF is the place. But if its about the genius cp the rcgroups is the place. You see some of the same people on both:thumbup:

This sub-forum is just barely turning one month old. I predict you will so lots of growth here.

Rick