Castle Pheonix 85HV setup Videos

[rotorhead58d]

what is pwm rate, and how do i find out what to set it on? i am running the latest software version. i never did get a clear understanding on how to determin this setting.:thinking

[turbine50]

edit: click the little question mark button by the pwm rate thing and it gives pretrty good info. Basically, it depends on what kind of motor you are using

[rotorhead58d]

hey thanks. i really appeciate it. :thumbup:

funny, it's the first thing mentioned in the help section. lol

[MrRoth]

Tried CC110HV the other day with a Neu 1915H/1.5Y mounted in a E-Stratus. With fixed throttle I’ve got 1900rpm @ 81% throttle. Switched to Gov. high and with 60% throttle I’ve got 2160rpm on the rotor :shock: Lowered the throttle but the head speed didn’t go down that much... At 50% throttle the CC could not keep the gov. starting to kick with the tail...

Have tried 1.55 and 2.0 with the same result...

Have also tried with Set RPM mode witch worked. Head speed were as I set it in the Castle software. But the Gov. was really bad. Tried with more gain and the tail starts kicking...:arggg:

Anyone else with the same results???

[Finless]

Have you tried adjusting gov gain? Sounds like your gov gain is too high.

Bob

[MrRoth]

Yes, started out with the preset and lowered it without result...

[Jamesppp]

Bob,

Is it really OK to shorten the wires to the motor on the ESC(Not The Motor Wires) or would I be better off leaving them long?

Im about to build a TT E-620 Raptor using a Scorpion 4025 and the CC HV 85. I have the higher kv motor (890) but thought I would try it w/ a 9T pinion and I have an 8T..kind of afraid of it with such a small contact patch.On 10S lipo The headspeed with the 8T should be good using Gov at set RPM for 2000 which is about 85%. What do you think?? Should I try it or go with the lower KV motor.

Thanks for the build thread and advice.

Jimmy

[k16]

Target head speed is "found" using this method. Set the ESC to fixed heli endpoint.

Set your normal mode throttle curve to "0" all the way across. Set your throttle to center stick. Have someone tach the heli while you dial up the center throttle point to 75%. Record your head speed. This will be your normal mode head speed target. Move the throttle curve up to 85% and record the head speed. This will be your Idle up head speed.



Hi
Is all these do at Pitch curve "0" right?

Thank

[wren1702]

Hi
Is all these do at Pitch curve "0" right?

Thank

We use a DX-7, set the stick at center which should be "0" degrees pitch and ramp it up with the throttle curve.

[k16]

Thank

so after step of find end point in heli fixed end point. i got 2640 at 75% and 2760 at 85%

I prepare set governor mode in ECS already.
Then i middle stick of throttle, and start rise % at throttle from 0% , but when around 10% it make my head jerk away to fast and hard, and make Maingear to scratch.

for this problem Is can from I rise % to fast?
I should slowly to rise?

Please advise:(

Thankyou

[Finless]

Do you have soft start turned on? If not it will try to spool up too fast and kick.

Bob

[k16]

Thank Bob
no I know what prob!, I forgot softstart !!:oops:

Now everything look fine , after i see your VDO.
and just one quiz. in the vdo what value of pitch curve are you used for normal and Idel up on 5 positions of DX7?

Thank you;)
CHEERS

[chrissparre]

i am having troubles with the cc 85hv i can get different head speeds but with auto enabled it will not spool back up after the switch is pulled no matter what the % is.this is the newer firmware.
any ideas?

[k16]

Hi Last time i frimware 1.55 with Governor mode
My radio have 2 flight mode its normal and idel.

at notmal
TH curve = 0% 59% 59% 59% 59% RPM=2550

at idel
Th curve = 63% 63% 63% 63% 63% RPM=2640

so i see new firmware 2.0 beta and feel good more than 1.55
but i not sure the TH curve in my radio.
its should put same last setup (V1.55) or not?

for the three box RPM in version 2.0 I put
2600,2900,2900 This should be right?

please advise :noteworthy

Thank you

[McDaniel]

Hello Bob and Rotorheads

First let me say thank you for all the great videos and all the help we all can benefit! :noteworthy

So to tell I am a noob at all this, started one week ago with my first freeflight (Trex-600), this weekend I buildet the Trex500 per Bobs Videos, so now I am really scared what I forgot on all my other trexes.....:rolling:arggg::rolling

So here are my observations:

1. Castle has a new Firmware! With throttle setup! ???? Beta!
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2. I am gona stay with 1.55 at this time to learn how to set up.

Questions, CC states, that I have to mesure headspeed without blades, is that correct? So I did measure at the paddles, and also used a loging tool.

I got those headspeeds with DX7 fixed endpoints per video set, 12T and 162 main gear:
70% = 2450
80% = 2530

[URL="http://www.castlecreations.com/downloads/cl_beta_info.html"] (http://www.castlecreations.com/downloads/cl_beta_info.html)So what headspeed should I take for my T-Rex 500 with Evo lite 3200 6S???

Any Input is greatly welcomed, many thanks!!

Cheers
McDaniel

[srhammett]

Hi guys. I've been setting up a new Phoenix 35 and a JustGoFly 500TH motor (13T pinion) in my Mini Titan. Many thanks for the vid series and this thread, very helpful!

I've calibrated my endpoints in Heli Fixed Endpoints mode (112-92), and identified the throttle settings for my desired head speeds, which came out in the desired range (70%-80%). I've set up flat throttle curves.

I have one problem I can't sort out, however. While testing on the bench, whenever I spool up in governor mode (gov. high, medium gain), the red led on the ESC starts flashing rapidly, and continues to flash steadily until I cut the throttle. I've played with all the variables I can think of, and none have made a difference. This doesn't happen when I run it up in fixed endpoints mode.

Someone suggested it might be a weak battery, but I've used my best pack, fully-charged. According to the data logger, the 3s pack has stayed above 12V, under load, during these trials. Amperage has been low, around 6A max, I guess because I've had the blades off.

Suggestions?

Many thanks,
Stu

[Finless]

I dont know what the new software does with the LED but it maybe is just showing you that it is spooling up in soft start by blinking the LED. Just a guess but you might ask Castle.

Bob

[srhammett]

No, it lasts too long for that, indefinitely until I shut it down. Thanks though, I'll check with CC.

[edit:] Email respomse from CC: Stu,

The red LED is a feature that we've added in this most recent version of software. It's to let you know that the ESC is governing the headspeed. Nothing more. :)

Joe Ford
Product Specialist
Castle Creations

[srhammett]

Now I'm bench testing in gov. hi mode, trying a setup with a flat 65% on N, flat 70% on Idle 1. However my head speeds are running a bit higher than I anticipated (higher than the head speeds indicated when I first calibrated for gov. mode by rolling up the throttle %age).

Now I get about 3K at 65 and 3300 at 70%, which seem a bit high for my flying skill level... (Yes, I have cf blades :thumbup:, although I've been running with no blades on the bench). I was planning to shoot for 2800-3000-3200 in my three flight modes. With the 13T I'm using, I'm guessing now that I'll have to go as low as 60% to get 2800 in normal mode.

So, is 60% too low? A bit more headroom than I need? OK to run that way until I can order in a 12T to test? Don't want to burn up all this new hotness I've been puzzling over for days...

[I have a 12T I could try, but I believe it's one of those Rhino Gear hard pinions, and I've since read that they chew up the TTMT mains; I almost ordered a T-Rex 12T but I've also heard bad things there. TT doesn't make anything below 13 for the Mini Titan. I'll probably order some of the Revco pinions which people seek to like. Anyone here have suggestions?]

Stu

[Finless]

60% is not too low. There is no too low really unless you like below 50 or something. If you get too low you need to get a smaller pinion.

Bob

[srhammett]

60% is not too low. There is no too low really unless you like below 50 or something. If you get too low you need to get a smaller pinion.

BobOK, thanks. Actually, getting blades on and flying, the HS per throttle setting came back down a bit. It flew ok, but still bugs to sort out:


Flipping to Idle 2 didn't cause the increase in head speed it should have - radio settings all seem ok, I dunno.



On my last flight, the motor let out a wierd yowl for a quick second, during which amperage shot up to double and RPM's dropped off. Then everything went right back to normal for the duration. I hope the next time isn't an unplanned auto...

This JGF motor has some quirks I'm not used to. It kind of sputters, hesitates and jumps around before it'll settle down and spool up. It makes a noise, a less agitated version of the wierd squawk it made during flight. I wonder what's motor and what's the Phoenix doing this stuff.

Stu

[Finless]

Change your motor timing. If the motor jerks and has start up problems it's usually timing related.

As for the yowl... might be a bearing issues in the motor. Sounds like it anyway.

Bob

[srhammett]

Questions:

1. Why might the ESC stop recognizing the throttle settings in Idle2? When I switch up from Idle1 to 2, I don't any change in head speed, regardless of the throttle curve settings in Idle 2. (Idle 2 is active; the pitch settings in 2 are recognized)

2. Doesn't the governor try to maintain a given head speed, for a given throttle%, regardless of the loads on the rotor? I've been flying in Idle 1 at 70% throttle and about 2800 rpm. When my blades are removed, I get a big increase in HS at that setting - 3200 rpm.

Thanks for all your quick replies, Bob! Much appreciated.

[edit:]

--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Support <support@castlecreations.com> wrote:
From: Support <support@castlecreations.com>
Subject: Re: Phoenix 35
To: srhammett@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:31 AM

Check the LED on the controller when you switch to idle 1/2. If it's solid
that means that you're at max rpm for the gearing/battery you have. Governor
does try to maintain a given headspeed, but it's electrical rpm. With the
blades removed you will see an increase in headspeed.

Joe Ford
Product Specialist
Castle Creations

So is that bad, if I max out the rpm? Does that mean I don't have the "headroom" for the governor you talk about?

Yes, I am getting a solid led when I switch to Idle 2, and sometimes Idle 1 (observed on the bench without blades). With my new motor, the JGF 500TH, a 3s motor and the 13T pinion, I'm supposed to get head speed of 3200, and I'm only getting 2800. 2800 works ok for me but I'd like to have 3000 available. With my old setup (Thunder tiger stock motor and Ace esc) I ran at 3000.

Where do I go from here? I'm feeling really dense and pretty discouraged with this stuff.

Stu

[oldschool269]

is there a VER 3.12 video getting around ??

Jason