Castle Pheonix 85HV setup Videos

[Finless]

FYI, Bernie from Castle told me 3.0 is going to be out if not already. He asked me to try it and I will do so this weekend.

He said there are HUGE changes and fixes for GOV mode. He also said it wont change your settings but the gov mode values will be very different than 1.55 and 1.56 so I assume that means we will need to play with gain again.

Bob

[nexus]

Just to share, heres what patrick from cc reviews on the v1.56 and v 1.55..quoted from RCG.

"We found that earlier version were actually applying gains incorrectly on one side of the setpoint, so what was happening was that gains were stronger if the RPM was below the setpoint, and weaker if RPM was above the setpoint. This prompted many users to use a higher gain than was required, and also caused more oscillations.

In 1.56 we fixed the gain application, so that gains were correctly applied. This will mean that most setups will require less gain than on previous versions to get a good RPM hold. But from the reports I've seen, it seems we may have to lower the integral gain across the board to get rid of the oscillations.

Patrick "

So chances are with v1.56 your gain has to be much lower compared with v1.55.

[Sandy]

With v 1.56, I have taken gov gain down to 3 and finally got rid of the twitches and holds the rpms on the elogger. So, at least for the trex600, XL motor, 611 and HV85 the very low gov gain figure works fine..

Sandy

[nexus]

Can anyone advise if its ok for gov gain to go as low as 3 like sandy's setup? Is gov gain at 3 going to be as good as a setup with 60 gain, will performance be the same?

Thanks in advance.

[PsychoPilot145]

Wow... The wires to this thing are like telephone poles! :shock:

What kind of bullet connectors are you guys soldering on, and how do you get them to fit?

So far I have just soldered stock Align wires and bullets... Everything fits.

[Finless]

I used the bullets from Align for the 600. They just BARELY fit the wires.

Bob

[PsychoPilot145]

Thanks... I'll try that.

Edited... Tried it... OK, Ill just have to bow to the master on this one. Getting those suckas to fit the Align bullets is just beyond my soldering expertise (lack of). I did have one large NEU fitting that fit like a glove. I'll just have to order two more, and use those.

THANKS!

[Clintstone]

Great thread guys.................................

[Sandy]

I wrote:

With v 1.56, I have taken gov gain down to 3 and finally got rid of the twitches.

Not so, after more flying the twitches still present down to 0 gain.. Patric said a fix will be coming out soon. For now, 1.55 is working fine..

[swift123]

hey great videos bob! just a quick question, i dont know wether you know if it is a similar or same setup for other cc phoenix speed controlers??

im using a phoenix 60 on my swift 16 and im finding this pretty confusing! lol

any ideas?

dave

[Finless]

Honestly I dont know for sure. Castle is EXCELLENT in answer questions so Email thier support and ask them.

Bob

[fire_paramedic]

Just like to say Bob thanks so much for the videos. This one for the castle just saved me from going crazy.(I think i stayed up to late also) But i could not figure out why my esc (a cc phoeinx45) would not see the low throttle end point and set it. well after watching your video i realized i was going the wrong way with the endpoints. ( to zero instead of 100) :arggg: :bomb: , well it now works fine and i am the silly one. just a little story of how not paying attention and being sleepy can make you do the wrong thing. And to say thanks for all the time spent helping us who are less in the know. :noteworthy

[philiusm]

Hi,

I've been playing with governor mode on my Trex 450 and my Swift.

I find that the Swift is nice and steady and flies better that it did with fixed end point.

However, the Trex has developed a twitch that is defintely related to gain. At the moment I'm running with a value of 15 but I see from these posts that some setups require a figure a lot lower than that.

Has anyone got any setup figures for a stock Trex 450 SE V2 with a CC Phoenix-45 please?

Regards Phil M

[Finless]

I will be working on and testing other Castle ESC for other helis. Hnag tight and as soon as I get them from Castle I will be doing som info vids.
In the mean time yes... lower gain! The new code updates require lower gain than the older code levels. DONT think this is a problem! Set it to what works for you. Gain is not something that you have to have as high as possible as some people think!!!!

Bob

[philiusm]

I will be working on and testing other Castle ESC for other helis. Hnag tight and as soon as I get them from Castle I will be doing som info vids.
In the mean time yes... lower gain! The new code updates require lower gain than the older code levels. DONT think this is a problem! Set it to what works for you. Gain is not something that you have to have as high as possible as some people think!!!!

Bob

Thanks Bob,

Just waiting for the batteries to charge up, then I'll do some more testing.

Regards

Phil M

[cybinary]

I just recently setup a gov mode on my Rex450/CC35 and am injoying flying it with a gov. But i have the same question as nexus, the red LED on the ESC is blinking almost the entire flight. Does this mean I am running 100% of my thottle? My straightline curve is only set to 60% on GovHigh mode.

Anyone? :?:

[Finless]

I dont know what the blinking is but I will see if I can find out. ON STEAD means it has detected full throttle.

Bob

[cybinary]

Thanks Finless,

I have seen the ON STEAD light when setting up EndPoints. I had just never seen it come on while I was flying before. Like a red glow under the canopy. Its like its getting to 100% throttle and then off, then getting to 100% throttle and then off. Sometime (depending on how much I am getting on the cyclic) it stays off for a while. Other times when I am just hovering around its on solid.

I tried backing off the High Throttle EndPoint tonight to see if that would do anything and its still coming on off and on during the flight.

[Finless]

You wouldnt back off the high throttle end point you would drop your flat idle curve a little.

Bob

[cybinary]

Ok, but I know I can run a higher headspeed than what I am running now. I use to run a 2800-3000 a couple months back with carbon blades, after a crash and a switch back to woodies and backed it down to 2400-2600 for safty reasons. Right now in gov mode my flat curve is at 60%. I have figured out that in gov mode this number doesn't mean 60% of motor speed, its just a number. So here is the quandery, if my setup is capable of higher head speed than what I am currently running why is my 100% LED coming on? :lol:

[Finless]

OK I talked to Castle and they said it is normal to see the light blink in GOV mode. It does mean the gov is hitting full throttle. You should see this when applying pitch as the gov hit the throttle to keep the RPM and then may back off.
Now if your just hovering and getting this then you need to review your settings and curves. You should really only see this when climbing etc AND you head speed should not drop. If HS is dripping and the light is on solid then your over amping and your gearing isnt right or settings.

Bob

[cybinary]

Kewl, Thanks Finless BoB! I may need to re-think my target HS then. I thought with what I was running, (JGF 450TH/13Tooth/2150 EVO 25s/450se) 2600 wasn't really that aggressive. But if that LED is coming on that much then oviously I need to back the headspeed off.

[HFG]

just wanted to say thx to the SWR (aka Finless :hammer ). I uses this build series to setup and program my cc p35. It was exactly the same setup so its not just useful for the HV85. I still havnt taken the new heli out for a spin (i used some weights to hold down the little rex while i tached the head) but iam still unsure of how to set the gov gain. You mention the effect of the gain will be seen in the tail. But how do i know if some effect in the tail is the gov settings or my new gyro settings ?

[Finless]

Run the helio in fixed end point mode (called diagnostic mode) and thus gov will not be used. Make sure you have no wag or tail issues. now you know your gyro is OK.

Go back into gov mode and adjust gain. What you looking for is on a hard punch the headspeed shouldnt drop dramtically and the tail should hold. increease gain until you get best gov adjust rate but not until you get wag or tail kick against torq (troo much gain).

Bob

[dutch_anykey]

Bob.

I really enjoyed this vid's on setup. Couldnt have done it without them :D
This technical stuff is great, i like it a lot. Building and setting up heli's is as much fun as flying them for me.
Got the p80 setup on my Hurricane (not the HV version)
But i got one question:

Initially you set the throttle to around 75 to 85 percent and read the headspeed and look if it is the preferred HS. This is done when the heli is on the ground. So there is no load on the blades. Wouldnt it be more correct to measure it when the heli is in a steady hover?
You are flying top notch lipo's so it won't matter too much i think, but for lower power systems (lipo and motor) going from the ground into a hoover already eats some power. later on this has to be compensated by the govorner process, that leaves less headroom to compensate in manouvres i think?

Anyway just a thought, dont actually know what the difference in headspeed is between hovering and idle on the ground. Going to finish the setup on saturday in the field so someone can tach me

Thanks for the vid's !!

Maurice