Castle Pheonix 85HV setup Videos

[Finless]

You want to read your MAX head speed with no load. This is per Castle. Appearently they use this as the reference point so you dont OVER speed as well yet allows you to get the head room when under load. Hey it worked for me on the Raptor.

Make sense? From my expierence with Nitro gov's this is the same idea.

Bob

[dutch_anykey]

I slept a night over it, and while thinking of it i came to the same conclusion. :D

If it had to be done in a hover they would have stated it in their documentation.
It's a reference headspeed after all. In the end it's up to the user to check if the head room that is left is enough for the whole combo to work correctly or not.

Sorry for that
Maurice

[genexis]

Hi, i followed the instructions to set the max end min point of the throttle from the video, but when i switched to gov mode, the headspeed doesn't increase after the 70% throttle point.

Steps i took:
1) Fixed mode, zero sub trims, end points 50/50
2) increase throttle end point till i hear the sound from the esc
3) off and on the esc, slowly reduce the throttle END point for the esc to just arm.

This should set the throttle curve to be min at 0%, and max at 100% right?
However, when tuning my throttle curve, it seems that my max point is at around 70% of the throttle curve. Any idea why?

My setup:
NEU 1912/1.5Y
15S A123 LIPO
9T pinion
HV85, 1.55
gov gain: 20
throttle resp: low
timing: low advance

[Finless]

YES... it your gearing! Above 70% you are now at MAX throttle (if your in gov mode). Please review the video and understand that GEARING and head speed are related to WHAT you can get.

DONT switch to GOV MODE until you find out WHAT your head speed is at 75% and 85% throttle WHILE the ESC is in heli fixed end point! If it is too low then your gearing is wrong or you have the wrong motor for the heli.
DONT expect the head speed to be MORE in gov mode at or above the 75% to 85% curve!... IT WONT! So at that point going above 70% will do NOTHING as your maxed out already! Understand?

Bob

[genexis]

Hi finless, thanks for the reply. Thanks, that clears up a some grey areas which i was wondering about.

But i'm still a little mixed up about the throttle curve in gov mode. I thought the video mentioned that after setting the min and max end points in FIXED mode, the throttle CURVE 0% and 100% should correspond to the min and max of the ESC's throttle?

If it is true, why won't the headspeed increase above 70% of the throttle curve? I thought that we choose the gearing to give us our desired headspeed at 75%-85% throttle curve so that there is headroom for the ESC to maintain the headspeed when there are pitch changes.

P/S: in no ways am i trying to question your video/knowledge, i'm really curious as i cannot understand why is it this way.

[nexus]

If i understand your question correctly, 70%(throttle curve) in heli fixed end point and gov mode is different, you can't compare them. That is, based on 70% in heli fixed mode, you may be getting only 40% in throttle curve to get the achieved the same HS in gov mode.

An example will be:
Throttle curve 70% (heli-fixed mode) = throttle curve 45%(gov mode) = 2000 headspeed

Your headspeed doesn't increase after 70% in gov mode is because 70% is already your max throttle (LED lights up). The % of throttle curve in Gov Mode is just a value, it doesn't reflect your actual throttle. What is important is you get the desired HS you got in heli-fixed mode when you are in gov mode.

Hope i got it right.. :mrgreen:

[nexus]

Btw, in case you are wondering, my max throttle (LED solid red) is abt 55% in gov mode.

[genexis]

Hey nexus, thanks. That clear things up.

[Finless]

Hope i got it right..


:thumbup:

PERFECT explaination!

Thanks,
Bob

[nexus]

Hey nexus, thanks. That clear things up.

Don't mention. Glad that i could help. :wink:

[fredmillard]

Bob, First I wish to thank you very much for all the videos you have taken the time to produce, which have and continue to be very helpful to me.

I wish to confirm that the process you are demonstrating via this series of videos can be used as well for the CC35, which I have installed in a Trex 450.

I plan to be using my CC85 with my Trex 600. What headspeed do you recommend I achieve for normal flight? For my Nitro I have it set for about 1,750, do I wish the same for the electric or a bit higher.

Finally, please tell me the advantage of using governor mode; I am not quite sure. Presently I am using Align's ESC with my throttle curve set at 85 - 85- 90 - 95 - 100, with no governor. What if any difference do you think I will experience using the CC85 set the way you are demonstrating.

On a related note, regarding my CC35, I am having a real issue with it when I begin to spool up. It hesitates, appearing as if a gear in the drive train is stuck. Once I give it a little more juice, it "breaks through" and operates fine. When I connect my Align ESC, no problem. Any recommendations?


Thanks much.

Fred

thanks Fred

[MA-Vegas]

Hi Bob,

Your videos are great! I have been waiting for my TP1010C charger and balancer to arrive before I started going through the steps neccessary to setup my HV-110. So far I have done everything as you show in the first two videos. Before I went any further I decided to bench test the fail safe by turning off my transmiter. When I did this the motor sped up to the top speed as set in my curves. I can't find any thing in any of the four videos that address this fail safe setup. I also re-read my papers that it came with and went through the Castle Link menus looking but can't find what I am supposed to do to correct this. What am I missing? (maybe the brick up side my head deal). I did have to reverse the servo in the radio when I first got started setting up as the HV was working backwards to stick position.

Thanks
Steve

[fredmillard]

Bob, first I wish to thank you for all of your videos, which have helped me out time and time again. Keep up the great work.

Concerning this set of videos, please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that the process you demonstrate can be used to set up the CC35, etc.

Second, until now, i have been using Align's ESC that came shipped with my Trex 600. I run my DX7's throttle curve at 85% flat. How does running it in governor mode differ than what I am doing currently? I sort of thought that an electric motor is self-governing as a matter of physics; perhaps I am wrong. Will running it in governor mode simply keep it at the headspeed for what I set it?

Finally on a related note, do you have any idea why my CC35 installed with a 430XL in my Trex 450SE results in a hesitation on spoolup. What I mean is that when I intitally apply throttle, the heli acts as if there is a jambed gear, which goes away as soon as I move the throttle past that intital point. When i swap the ESC back to the Align, the problem disappears. I am pretty sure it is not a problem with the ESC itself but something to do with how I have it programmed. Any suggestions would certainly be appreciated.

Thanks Fred

[Finless]

Hmmm lets see....
1) yes the process for the CC35 should be the same but since I havent set one of those up yet I cant be sure.

2) No the motor is NOT self governing. The idea behiond a gov is that when you apply pitch and load up the motor the ESC will throttle up in an attempt to keep the motor running the same RPM. If gov is not on this wont happen and the motor will drop in RPM as load is applied.

3) The hesitation is probably becasue you didnt set your throttle end points where the ESC expects to see them. Also a CC35 with an Align motor is PICKY about motor timing. Make sure it is set to high timing and you have the latest software in your CC35.

Bob

[fredmillard]

Thanks much. FM

[fredmillard]

Bob,

I have to tell you I am utterly speechless (for a trial lawyer that is unusual). Thanks so much for these videos. I have owned this CC for several months but have not used it because I had no idea how to program it to wrok properly. I did call CC but the answer I got was either above my head or made no sense. Now that I have done what you preach, I am shocked at how wonderful the 600 behaves. I feel as if I have a brand new heli. I can achieve 2,100 RPMS with a flat throttle at 61.5%, using Align's new steel pinion gear, a 5000Mah ThunderPower battery driving the XL motor. It seems that I am also getting longer battery life, does that make sense? Do you mind providing an ideal headspeed for a beginner doing forward flight?

Since I am not into 3D'ing at this point of my career, I am leaving the DX7's normal throttle curve linear so the motor is shutoff when starting and ending a flight; once airborne I flip from Normal into either ST1 or ST2 with flat cures of 58 and 61.5 respectively. When I am about to land, I again switch back to Normal. Do you see a problem with this setup and/or routine?

thanks again

Fred

[Clintstone]

Fred this all looks good. What pinnion are you running? You could lengthen your flights if you are running the 10 tooth ( Ihave been running the 11t) I wanted to run 2100, and trying to obtain 2100 did not leave me enough headroom for the gov. to work as good. A linear curve in N is ok but I run 3 seperate speed and witht the soft start, I simply hit hold to shut it off and start it up. My first XL died yesterday with over 250 flights...............I thought this was acceptable.
Glad the CC contrller is working well for you.

[528hemi]

I setup the HV85 and after alot of testing..It is 99 percent to where I want it to be.

The last issue

1) I set the first throttle point in normal mode to be at zero and then go right to my flat curve at my other points. I have soft start set for spoolup medium but as soon as I apply even 1 or 2 percent throttle I get an initial kick to the blades before the soft start seems to engage and a nice progression to spool up. Is there a setting to get rid of the initial kick?

Thanks

[Clintstone]

I would try using hold to turn model on and off and put a straight curve in normal. Once this is done I would play with the start power until I was satisfied with the startup and then if needed go back to zero at bottom stick in normal.

[528hemi]

Thanks I will give that a try...

[Finless]

Awesome Clint... Nice to see you helpin out here and thanks! Ya beat me to the answers :)

Bob

[Trev]

Bob,
Just downloaded and watched the video's..excellent job and very informative.

One small point, how does your final normal and idle 1 throttle curves look ie do they say at the inverted V or do you set up the rest of the points?

Sorry if a silly question.

Regards

Trevor

[amf]

Thanks for the videos Bob! I am currently downloading them now...

I have a CC25 with a 3500kv motor. I started tinkering with the ESc's governor mode and it was a lot smoother than with fix heli endpoints.

My settings are based on the pdf file found in CC's website and I have set it at Governor high, gain at 45, throttle response at low. I was even able to set the gain at 60 but a few of my lipos were not able to provide enough juice to maintain headspeed and starts to oscillate after about 3 mins into the flight. A gain of 45 is the optimum setting I find with my 300 size heli.

In normal mode, T curve is a flat 58. Idle up 1, flat 70 and idle up 2 is flat 75. I start the heli with throttle hold on then flip it down to make the blades start its rotation.

I guess governor mode on CC ESCs are very efficient. My motor, lipo and ESC is a lot cooler compared to my previous setup. Flight times have also increased a bit.

EDIT:
The pdf file says: "When using Governor Mode always set ‘Throttle Response’ to Low. This does not effect
governor response."

[Finless]

Trev, I set the curve to FLAT. So if I was at say 50% throttle when I got my head speed all points would be set to 50% flat.

Bob

[Cityflyer]

I was wondering about the stick calibration on the CC esc's.

I just got the cc 35 esc for my 450 heli with a dx7 and ar7000. When i calibrate and starts to turn up the travel it arms around 70 for high throttle and arms
around 60 for low, is it normal for radios to be that much offset?

Throttle curve is liner and no mixing going on in the radio.

When i think of it, i do not think the pitch curve is liner, does it matter?

I havent got the castlelink yet so i havent started tinkering with setting it might have some strange settings thet create this, don't now really.