Castle Pheonix 85HV setup Videos

[Finless]

OK please take Jackheli's comments to heart and understand that using a tach by yourself is possibly dangerous! Understand your limits and if you even doubt you can do it yourself then get help!

See this post for comments about this proceedure
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=23560&page=9

Bob

[thuvanduc]

I can't seem to get the JK2 to work on Gov. Hi with the CC110. The tail keeps wagging no matter what gain I used. Followed Bob's instruction to the teeth. Bob, please advise

My setup:

KJ2 with 12S lipo
Actro 32-3 with CC 110

Thanks

[Finless]

DId it wag in heli fixed end point mode? If so the CC is not the issue it something with your gyro, etc. If it only wags in gov mode what firm rev do you have and have you tried lowering gov gain?

bob

[thuvanduc]

It's doing good in heli fixed end point as well as Gov. Low. It only wags at Gov. High. I had tried lower the gain all the way to below 10 and as high as 60, with no luck. I used the latest version 3.0

Thanks

[Finless]

3.0 is the castle link application software. What is the FIRMWARE of the ESC?
Some find that 1.56 can have a wag problem and some have gone back to 1.55

Bob

[thuvanduc]

Learn something new every day. Where do you look to find this info and how can I get the older version 1.55 firmware

Thanks

[Finless]

If your connected to the internet then when you run the link software go to the firmware tab. Several versions will be listed. Watch my vid it covers it a little.

Bob

[thuvanduc]

I got it. I will let you know the result using the 1.55 version.

Thanks

[kdii02]

3.0 is the castle link application software. What is the FIRMWARE of the ESC?
Some find that 1.56 can have a wag problem and some have gone back to 1.55

Bob


I can confirm that this fix (going back to 1.55) worked for me. I had terrible wag using 1.56.

[jvthert]

Thanks Bob, I never knew it was wrong to govern a rpm that's not in the 75-85% FHEP range. I was happily hovering over 500RPM below the head speed I should have been at (on a HDX450). Having that fixed all electronics stay cooler and runtime has gone up a bit too. The tail wagging issue is a pain to fix, but it just comes down to finding the right gain for both gyro and governor. All I can say is that tampering with the settings a bit I found that a gov.gain of 40 and a gyro gain of 75% (DX7, 9650 on the tail, Align BL430XL motor, 13t pinion) seems to be okay. I'll try the older firmware too see if that helps getting my gyro gain up some more. Jeroen

[jackheli]

Check this thread: http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=47248

[enry74hh]

Hi,

my name is Enrico and I live in ITALY

I ask you a council kindly;
I do not succeed to determine the best setup Phoenix45 for my Heli.

My model:

Mini Titan
DX7, AR6200

Motor NeuMotor 1107/2.5Y (2800 kv)
Esc Phoenix 45
Flight Power 4S 1800
BEC Medusa 6V
Ratio 150T/13T =11.54

The Phoenix parameters are:

( Software 3.01 - Firmware V1.56)

Cutoff 12V
Cutoff Type Soft
Brake Strenght 0%
Brake Delay .6s
Direction Reverse
Brake Ramp Super Slow

Motor Start Low
PWM Rate 13
Throttle response Low
Current Limiting Normal
Motor Timing Standard Advance

Governor Gain Medium
Spool-up Speed Medium

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I have made of the tests:
I have measured the turns rotor to various percentages of Throttle.

Throttle Type: Hely: Fixed endpoints

10% 1000 rpm
20% 1700 rpm
30% 2200 rpm
40% 2500 rpm
50% 2700 rpm
60% 2800 rpm
70% 2900 rpm
80% 3000 rpm
90% 3170 rpm
100% 3290 rpm


Throttle Type: Hely: Governor Low

10% 470 rpm
20% 520 rpm
30% 600 rpm
40% 690 rpm
50% 800 rpm
60% 950 rpm
70% 1170 rpm
80% 1540 rpm
90% 2200 rpm
95% 2770 rpm
100% 2770 rpm

Throttle Type: Hely: Governor High

10% 2300 rpm
20% 2570 rpm
30% 2875 rpm
40% 3220 rpm
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I would want to use the function governor and to have three speeds:

Normal: 2600 rpm
IdLe 1: 2800 rpm
IdLe 2: 3100 rpm

How I can make?
It is corrected to use Hely: Governor High with percentages 20%-30%-35%?

Thanks for the availability.
Enrico.

[jvthert]

Enrico, watch the video and take my settings. This should be a good starting point for you. It' s pretty individual wat settings best suit your setup, so I guess no one can give you the perfect setup.. just give it a try. Jeroen

[Bunter]

From what I've read in this thread and on Bob's excellent videos, for an ESC to function correctly in governor mode there should always be some headroom for the governor to do its job.

So it is desirable to use a flat throttle curve somewhere in the range 75-85% rather than higher, say 90-95%? And it's important to verify that whatever flat setting you chose achieves the desired headspeed and if it doesn't to consider changing the gearing?

Have I got this right and does this approach apply to all ESCs or just the CC ones?

Thanks all

Cheers

Bill

[nguyen23464]

Just got a CC85HV and neu 1.5/1.5/2.5h setup.

I been using the allign setup without any issues.

After reading these post witht horrible wag stories and wanted to ask.


Is there any cons on running the ESC on just fixed end point mode,

100% across the board and just gearing down the pinion to maby 10t to achieve 2000k?

What are pros on running it in gov mode? Less voltage drop?

[kdii02]

I have found that using 1.55 firmware and setting gov gain to 80, and tweaking my gyro settings eliminated my wag issues on that heli.

[Mercuriell]

Is there any cons on running the ESC on just fixed end point mode,
100% across the board and just gearing down the pinion to maby 10t to achieve 2000k?
What are pros on running it in gov mode? Less voltage drop?

I fly both my CC85 and CC80 in fixed end point mode and set the idle up for desired HS - I'm very happy with this (I like to control spool up rate and do a scale emulation sometimes) - I wasn't overly impressed with gov mode - the Jazz ESC are far better for this.

[nguyen23464]

I do that with my xl motor, just throw a 11t on it and flat line it at 100% across the board on idle 1. Not sure what the long term affect it but it seems to fly pretty good. I think im getting around 2200.
Does the Neu motor actually produce too much headspeed over the xl? Thats why you have to govern it? What if you just throw like a 10t on it?

[Mercuriell]

The benefit of the Neu 1515/2.5D as compared to the XL is torque rather than headspeed which translates to less bogging during collective heroics.

[Finless]

Hmmmm.... man I almost want to go on a rant about power needed vs collective management skills.... I think many go for power because they want the ROOM for bad collective skills and think YEA BABY this is hot when in fact they are shortening the flight time.
I am a glider pilot also and have to say the best glider pilots learn to USE the energy they have to pull out maneuvers that others think are impossible....
I ain't saying that some motor are more efficient than others... only saying that if you learn to manage your energy you might find you don't need RAW power.

I myslef am still running a old 600XL and to be honest... it's all I need even compared to my 600 nitro. I can do more than my skills allow but I try to do them without over pitching or over cyclicing..... Must be the glider pilot in me :)

Bob

[Mercuriell]

I think that's very sound thinking Bob - when my 1515/2.5D ate its bearings I had to put back an ALign 600L:shock: - after the initial shock of bogging big time I started to enjoy flying more mindfully and there's no doubt that it's honing my skills so I think a rant is perfectly in order if you feel inclined :thumbup:

[adwb]

Hi I have raptor 30 that I converted to ep with a z-power motor KV600 10s and HV85 esc which I got from Garry at TT Conversions

If I set it all up as a fixed end point all is well and at about 75 % throttle software adjustment [not 75% lever position] I get 1800 rpm which is fine for my gentle flying about style.

I have been flying around using the end point setting ok but I want to try the governor mode and am having all sorts of problems.

Since I have established the 75% throttle setting = 1800 rpm I changed the setting to governor low and with a flat 0% throttle curve I set the throttle lever at point 3 [Futaba 7chp] and slowly increase the percentage to get to 1800 rpm but I find I can’ t get anywhere near the 1800 rpm, so I change to governor high and using the same method at 6% get 1800 but even if I stop adjusting the percentage, the motor slowly ramps up to 2100 and stops there. If I increase the % any further the revs climb even more!!

having read through this thread I now realise that the govenor mode throttle setting bear no relation to the fixed one but is 6% realy ok?? and why does it climb up to 2100? Is that caused by the gain setting?

Best regards and complements of the season to you all

Alistair Barclay

[adwb]

Hmm,
After further time spent on the previous post problem of the helli spooling up by its self I have inhibited the throttle cut and throttle hold to remove them from the equasion.

In order for the HV85 to actuate I find that my throttle end points are 90% for high throttle and 100% for the low throttle.having found this I leave them at these settings setting.

Now I set my throttle curve to 0% on all points.
I plug in the esc power supply, move the throttle to low and the esc arms with no problem.
If I now start to increase a throttle percentage at any given throttle position at 1.5% the motor starts to turn and with out increasing the percentage any more continues to spool up and increase speed.

If however I quickly get back to throttle end points and reduce the low throttle end point from 100% down over, the motor stops at what ever I get the % down to.
If I set the low throttle at lets say about 50% I am running at approx 1800.

Now with it running at 1800 I set all the throttle curve points to 50% except for position 1 which I set to 0% so the motor will stop, and alls well except -----
that when I shut down and disconnect the battery when I reconnect the battery the HV85 won't arm as the end points are now set to low.
What on earth am I missing here? I must be doing something wrong with the end point settings but what?
regards
ADWB

[Finless]

Ummm what radio are you using? 100 may be HIGH for your low end point. Or your throttle channel is reversed?

Bob

[adwb]

Hi Bob, i'm using a futaba T7CP and yes the channel 3 is reversed compaired to all the others but it has to be or the throttle works backwards or wrong way round if you see what I mean
this realy has me beaten I have spent hours trying different configurations out but to no avail.
it is the end points but I dont know why.
Alistair
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