Castle Pheonix 85HV setup Videos

[Finless]

Have you disabled the knob so hovering-pitch and hovering-throttle is disabled? Page 71 of the manual. Make sure hovering-throttle is OFF.

Bob

[adwb]

yes that has been done both set to inh as is throttle cut and throttle hold.
Alistair

[adwb]

Also fyi in fixed end points all works 100% ok
Alistair

[adwb]

Bob also if I enable throttle cut or hold and adjust the rate or pos settings both in to minus figures [with the throttle curve flat on 0%] I get the esc to start up at low speed then it just spools up as well.
lowering the channel 3 low end point from 110% to say 90 will then mean the throttle cut rate setting shifts from - 9 @ 110% end point to - 19@ 90% end point, I dont know if that provides a clue?
Maybe it is a strange Futaba problem? Do you know if anyone including Castle has tried a T7CP wth gov high mode?
regards
Alistair

[Finless]

That sdhould NOT happen. You have enabled the THrottle hold and set it to -5 in the HOLD menu correct? If your still getting throttle when HOLD is on then something is wrong with the radio. Throttle hold is a safety feature!

[shadowmastervn]

Hi

I have read this post and just wonder, does it as the as the Castle Creation 35 like 85HV?
another is : Could you give me the suggestion of setup CC35 with JGF 500TH motor, I can not find any discuss about this!

Thank you verry much

[adwb]

Bob, thanks for the replies ,let me try to explain this clearly as I have muddied the water a bit with previous posts.
With throttle hold, throttle cut, idle up 1 and 2, and throttle adjust knob all inhibited on futaba T7cp,
I set castle software to default on all settings; fixed end points and brake disabled.
Throttle on the tx is reversed or the lever works backwards
With the throttle end points at 50% I set them as per you video and save them there.
I set a standard 0-25-50-75-100 % throttle curve and the esc arms at low [0%]and spools up as per throttle arm movements.so all is normal and ok.
reset throttle curve to 0% all points
reset esc to low gov mode
throttle in centre start to increase % ;motor starts up at 3% and will idle all day at that setting,
The motor only increases speed as the % is increased and holds that speed at that % setting.
However it will only reach 1800 head speed at close to 140% throttle setting.

Change to high gov mode; all other settings on default via castle software, brake off.
Connect the battery and esc arms ok, throttle lever again in the centre and start to increase throttle %.
As in low gov mode the motor starts up at 3% but instead of just idleing at this % with out adjusting the % any higher the motor continues to increase revs and tops out I think at 2185, [ but I got a bit nervious and turned the % back from 3% to 0% thus turning off the power.
I have also tried setting the castle software to all settings on minimum, high gov and brake off but the same speeding up takes place.
hope this now makes a readable sense to you and maybe you could ask Castle what is going on as it's difficult from England due to time differences.
The motor is a Z-Power 50T K-V600 10S and A123 36 volt battery; Castle creations HV85 latest firmware downloaded and installed.
Happy New Year
Alistair

[adwb]

Hi

I have read this post and just wonder, does it as the as the Castle Creation 35 like 85HV?
another is : Could you give me the suggestion of setup CC35 with JGF 500TH motor, I can not find any discuss about this!

Thank you verry much

found this for you hope it helps
Alistair
http://www.trextuning.com/cc35review.php

[Bill Sanford]

FYI, Bernie from Castle told me 3.0 is going to be out if not already. He asked me to try it and I will do so this weekend.

He said there are HUGE changes and fixes for GOV mode. He also said it wont change your settings but the gov mode values will be very different than 1.55 and 1.56 so I assume that means we will need to play with gain again.

Bob

WOW, this was back on May 30. I assume that Bob was talking about an update past 1.56, but we still are at 1.56?

I wonder what's up with Castle regarding this?

Bill

[DDragon]

Does anyone know where the Clint Akins Setup Video for this is?

[Finless]

Its in this thread
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=23560

Bob

[mlkm18]

Hi Bob, another great video, I recently got an used Castle Creation ESC and learning how to use the governor mode. Really great video.

A question I need to ask, is how should the target head speed be determined? By calculate following a fixed formula? By rule of thumb? Or ...

I am thinking of using the full pitch head speed as my target speed, or may be leaving 5% room for the bird. Am I correct?

[istandalone]

seeing as how we can't pm bob anymore (i don't blame him, he must be inundated with pms) i'll just ask him here and hope he sees this. would someone like myself benefit from using gov mode? when i say "someone like me" i mean a beginner who has barely made hovering nose and side in 2nd nature, and is just getting used to ff and sloppy 8's. or would the time it takes to set up the gov properly be better spend just flying with fixed endpoints and go to gov later?

and i'd also like to re-iterate the questions that mlkm18 asked. and, once more thank you bob for doing what you do. without you the world would be a worse place, less helis and more tacos! oooh, tacos. i know what's for dinner tonight!!

[wren1702]

Hi Bob, another great video, I recently got an used Castle Creation ESC and learning how to use the governor mode. Really great video.

A question I need to ask, is how should the target head speed be determined? By calculate following a fixed formula? By rule of thumb? Or ...

I am thinking of using the full pitch head speed as my target speed, or may be leaving 5% room for the bird. Am I correct?

Target head speed is "found" using this method. Set the ESC to fixed heli endpoint.

Set your normal mode throttle curve to "0" all the way across. Set your throttle to center stick. Have someone tach the heli while you dial up the center throttle point to 75%. Record your head speed. This will be your normal mode head speed target. Move the throttle curve up to 85% and record the head speed. This will be your Idle up head speed.

Now you set the ESC to gov. mode. Go back to your throttle curve and set it back to "0" all the way across. With the stick in the center position, start up with the throttle curve again until you reach the head speed you found with the throttle at 75% on fixed heli endpoints. ********Important*********** the actual value you end up at is normally much lower than your original number .....could be as much as half the original value. Now whatever this number ends up being, set it as a flat curve for normal mode. Do the same thing but move the head speed up to the second point (85%) you discovered in fixed heli end point. Done...............



****************************Note****************** *****************

I'll have to check for sure.....the values used MAY be 65% and 75%, someone please feel free to chime in if I'm wrong!

[wren1702]

seeing as how we can't pm bob anymore (i don't blame him, he must be inundated with pms) i'll just ask him here and hope he sees this. would someone like myself benefit from using gov mode? when i say "someone like me" i mean a beginner who has barely made hovering nose and side in 2nd nature, and is just getting used to ff and sloppy 8's. or would the time it takes to set up the gov properly be better spend just flying with fixed endpoints and go to gov later?

and i'd also like to re-iterate the questions that mlkm18 asked. and, once more thank you bob for doing what you do. without you the world would be a worse place, less helis and more tacos! oooh, tacos. i know what's for dinner tonight!!

I don't know if gov. mode will make a big difference for a beginner, but for more advanced flying it's sweet!

[mlkm18]

Wren1702,

Thanks very much, this I can do but how do we "determine" the head speed? why is it 75% - 85%? I want to know is the how to determine the actual head speed, there must be a reason that we want it at 2000 rpm (for example). Sorry I may have been unclear in my first question.

[wren1702]

Wren1702,

Thanks very much, this I can do but how do we "determine" the head speed? why is it 75% - 85%? I want to know is the how to determine the actual head speed, there must be a reason that we want it at 2000 rpm (for example). Sorry I may have been unclear in my first question.


What you are doing through this type of setup is determining the optimum head speed that the HV-85 will be the most efficient. For instance, we swapped out our 600XL motor for a Neu 1515/2.5D/F but left the ESC settings the same.....performance sucked. Went back through the setup and it was great again!

If you don't have the head speed that you were looking for (Within reason) then you must change the motor gearing so that you can achieve the head speed you want. The HV-85 likes to have head room above your setting in order to work at it's absolute best. It's hard to explain, but I can tell you it works!

Again, from what I've been told.....the head speed you end up with may not be what you're looking for, but it's what the HV-85 "wants" so that it's most efficient.

Does this help?

Hopefully one of the experts will chime in and explain this better than I can. :o

[istandalone]

i've been told by a few people that gov mode for someone like me would be good, because throttle speed (once set up of course) will be one less thing to have to worry about. makes perfect sense. i just got four wisdom teeth removed last night so i doubt i'll be doing anything heli related this weekend, but after i get it set up i'll post back in the h550 forum my experiences.

[Finless]

FYI I was out on a biz trip so I turned off PM's. However GREAT to see Alan answering your questions while I was away... Thanks Alan!
Also PLEASE don;t PM me questions like this... It is MUCH better to ask on forums so others can learn.

Anyway I will have PM's turned on later tonight once I catch up a little...

Bob

[istandalone]

bob, how can you find time to have a full time job, maintain a house, wife vehicle and yet still have time to do all you do for us in this hobby. you must never sleep! i can't say this enough, my hat's off to you. i don't know how you do it, but myself and many many others would be lost without your direction.

[Finless]

Thanks man but it's my hobby! Not just flying but doing these vids and sharing knowledge. Thus because it is a hobby and I enjoy it, I find the time to do it :)

Bob

[beeflyer2]

Bob, I assume these videos apply to the 45HV also? I'm trying to get set up using throttle curves instead of gov mode. Do I still need to do the throttle range setting step? Why is this not mentioned in the manual? It says throttle range is self-calibrating. Is it necessary to connect power to radio before power to esc in this step?

[Finless]

I don't know about the 45 so I cant say for sure.... I would give a call to Castle and ask.

Bob

[va02rcb]

Finless



I have a couple of questions:
It looks like I can use the Phoenix 35 on the Trex 450 SE, and
It looks like I can follow your (85Hv) video to set it up? Or do I need dirfferent setting?I'm new to most of this and your videos have sure helped me!

Thanks

[Finless]

I dont know about the 35 ESC but I have been told it should work the same way.

Bob