Castle Pheonix 85HV setup Videos

[va02rcb]

Thank you

[AlanH]

I dont know about the 35 ESC but I have been told it should work the same way.

Bob
Hi Bob,

I did the installation of a ESC 45 in my Dragonus II and it looks like the software is the same. Nevertheless I have two questions:

1. Do you recommend such governor configuration for "advanced" beginner, not having the motor control speed on the throttle stick?
2. Do you think this mode is better for battery packs life and engine by having less variations?

I was thinking that the main advantage of such mode is having a better stability due to the constant optimum rotation during start and landing, is that true?

Thanks.

Alain.

[PsychoPilot145]

Hmmm... I just wired up my Castle 45, and was wondering the same thing. I love my HV85, so I'll try to see if it sets up the same way.

Wish me luck.

[Stallion]

I dont know what the problem ist with my DX7 Radio and my Castle80. But when i am in Heli fixed Endpoint mode and i set 3 different TC's For each flight mode then of curse i notice a Head RPM difference between each Mode if i switch from normal to ST1 or ST2.

But in Governor Mode there is always the same Headspeed. I am Running 2240RPM and Governor set to High on my Hurry550 Head with the ST2 curve set to 85% flat. But when i spool up in normal moden and have my Curve set to about 70% then it spools up to the same Headspeed.

Governor Gain is set to medium.

I am sure there is an adjustment problem on my end but i am not able to see it!

Please could anyone offer an opinion!!!

Thanks

[dutch_anykey]

Hi Stallion,

With 70%-80% my guess is that you are at the max rpm of the setup anyway. Got cc p80 on my hurri as well. My flat curve is arunf 50% if i remember correctly.
Did you check Finles's vid about setup? That explains everything.

In short...in fixed end point mode you should have your desired HS at 75-80% throttle...if HS is to low there, your gear, motor and battery combination isn't right. If it is the desired headspeed, set the ESC in govorner mode and slowly change the curve in the dx7 till the same HS is reached that you got in fixed end points mode. And you will see that the trottle % setting is much lower then in fixed end points mode.

hope this helps,

cheers,
Maurice

[Stallion]

Thank You Maurice,

I saw the Vid from Finnless but i thought the govenor should be between 75% and 85% in the end.

But i understand your point with me beeing at the max RPM of my setup.

I am running 6s2p with the 1100KV Gaui Motor and an 21T Pinon and the 68T Gear from Revco.

I will Gear up to a 23T Pinon and i will see if i can get my desiered result!

Thanks again!

I let you know what came out of it

[BryMeister]

Hello. I have watched Finless' videos and read all of the posts in this thread. I want to ask a question. I have no intention of flying in governor mode. I am using a CC Phoenix 35A ESC and a MedUSA 028-040-3400 motor on a TREX 450 V2.

My question is, once I teach the ESC what the high and low throttle points are for my radio, and since I have no intention of using GOV mode, can I then stop and just fly with the throttle curves I have already set up for NORM, St-1 and ST-2 mode? I didn't see a lot of point in doing the 75 - 85% thing unless you were then going to go on to setup GOV mode.

Also, does the addition of an external BEC (SportBEC in this case) change your procedure at all?

THanks a million for all of your videos, Bob! Thanks also to those that have responded to my thread in the TREX 450 forum. I think I can make this work now. :)

[wren1702]

Thank You Maurice,

I saw the Vid from Finnless but i thought the govenor should be between 75% and 85% in the end.

But i understand your point with me beeing at the max RPM of my setup.

I am running 6s2p with the 1100KV Gaui Motor and an 21T Pinon and the 68T Gear from Revco.

I will Gear up to a 23T Pinon and i will see if i can get my desiered result!

Thanks again!

I let you know what came out of it

No, your gov setting will be much lower than that. You run it up to 75% and 85% in fixed heli endpoints to determine what speeds to set your gov. mode at for optimum efficiency. Say you spool it up to 75% and get a head speed of 2100.....then you go up to 85% and get a head speed of 2250. These will be your target head speeds for Normal and Idle up 1 or 2. You put it in Gov mode and then with the stick centered you roll up your throttle curve while someone tachs the head, when you get to the head speed determined at 75% (2100 in my example) you make a note of what % you are at on the throttle curve. Then continue up to the second value (2250, again just an example) and make note of what the % is. These are normally low....30% to 50%. If you are not happy with the numbers, you have to change the gearing etc..... This setup gives your esc/motor combination the best settings for optimum efficiency.

[dutch_anykey]

Hi Brymeister,

I can't seem why not, if you are happy with it in that way.
Bit of a waste for the CC ESC i.m.o. because they have such good gov. ;)

Maurice

@Wren
I meant the same, but it sounds better the way you described it. ;)

[BryMeister]

Is the governor on a CC 35A ESC that good? It seems that I have heard that the smaller ESC's didn't govern as well.

What advantage would there be to set up governor mode on the Heli for a beginning flyer? I am still working on hovering, orientations and making the Heli go where I want it to go and stay where I want it to stay. I got into this hobby back in September, so I didn't have much of a chance to fly her before the weather prohibited it. I've been putting in time on th RF G3.5 TREX V2 Sim, but I need real flight time.

Regardless, I do not have a proper tach or access to any non-snow covered fields right now. Hopefully, that will change in a month or so, but for right now, I don't even have the resources to set up governor properly.

Thanks for your insights!

[Raptorchief]

First, Bob Thanks for the video's they are a great help. My problem is this, I have a Futaba 7CHP, I have set the throttle end points per the video. +112% -100%, then I went in and moved the throttle curve to 0% across the board. Then I set the stick at half way and then started to move the curve up, nothing happened, the closer I got to 100% on the curve the motor started, as I got to 100% the motor shut off, now as I lower the curve the motor starts and gets faster the lower I move the curve, what did I do wrong, anyone have an idea? Thanks Mark

[j bomb]

When using a Futaba radio, you have to reverse the throttle channel to get most ESC's to work properly. That sounds like it could be your problem.

[Raptorchief]

Thanks for your help, did not even think of that, reversed the channel and everything is working properly now, Thanks Man! Mark

[TooLy]

What is the purpose of Heli fixed endpoints ?
I read in Castle Creations FAQ, that when I foind the headspeed I want around 75%, Set up like this your motor will be running within its efficient operating speed with enough headroom that the motor can maintain this speed with hard collective use.

From what I understand this mean, the heli fixed endpoints, acts also as some kind of governor ?

[Finless]

Because every radio is different and you have to TEACH the ESC and radio the throttle range. If you don't do this how can the ESC know what is 75%? 75% of WHAT? Setting your low and high end points give the ESC and radio a "point of reference" so that both your radio and the ESC know what 75% is..... Without a reference point what is 75%?

Bob

[khaoz]

Hi Bob,

I'm late to this thread but have only now upgraded my Trex 600 to a NEU 1907/1Y / CC HV85 combo and been able to put this into practice.

I was surprised how much I needed to adjust my endpoints, on a JR X9303 I ended up with 83/54. I hope that this won't result in serious lack of resolution. Why do I need to make this change with the CC ESC and not on the align?

Any way, I will complete the gov setup at the field over them weekend, thanks for all of your helpful videos.

[Finless]

WOW that does seem to be too tight... As you saw in my video with the DX7 I was vert close to the ends. SOmething doesnt seem right there.

Bob

[wren1702]

Hi Bob,

I'm late to this thread but have only now upgraded my Trex 600 to a NEU 1907/1Y / CC HV85 combo and been able to put this into practice.

I was surprised how much I needed to adjust my endpoints, on a JR X9303 I ended up with 83/54. I hope that this won't result in serious lack of resolution. Why do I need to make this change with the CC ESC and not on the align?

Any way, I will complete the gov setup at the field over them weekend, thanks for all of your helpful videos.

Just a quick pointer, make sure you had it in Fixed Heli endpoints when you set your travel endpoints, it makes a difference!

Will you be running 6S or 8S?

[khaoz]

Setting up for 6s (8s or 10s would be too much of an investment in support equipment right now.).

My castle link has not yet arrived so I setup using the tx throttle method described in the manual. I will confirm settings on friends castle link tomorrow evening.

[wren1702]

Setting up for 6s (8s or 10s would be too much of an investment in support equipment right now.).

My castle link has not yet arrived so I setup using the tx throttle method described in the manual. I will confirm settings on friends castle link tomorrow evening.

I've heard good reports with this combination. You'll need a 13 tooth pinion.

I bet your ESC is not set for fixed Heli endpoints.

[khaoz]

Well spotted Wren,

I hooked up the castle link and was no normal end pint mode nto Heli end points as you predicted. Doah!. Its much easier setting this thing up with a laptop.

My travel ranges are now 105 /95, huge difference.

I've equped the 14t pinion and have a 13t in reserve, I'm off the the field with a tach tomorrow and will report back.

[Finless]

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Sounds right on now!

Bob

[yongary]

I'm setting up my trex 450se w/ cc35 and dx7 radio. I watched this video and I thought it would be the same as cc35. So I tried to teach the esc the tx fixed end point. I set both high and low throole to 50% as you said, and throttle stick high and connected the battery. The esc sees the high throttle at 97% so I gave it a few more click so the high throttle is set at 100%.

but the problem is the low throttle. I disconnected the battery and low throttle stick and connected the battery. the esc sees the low throttle end point at 53%. is this ok? shouldn't it be close to 100%?

p.s: the throttle trim on the tx should be in the middle or the lowest position while doing this?


EDIT: oops, I forgot to make the normal throttle curve linear!!! i will try again
Edit2: nope, it didn't help

[Finless]

Yes it should be closer to 100... Not sure if the CC35 works the same way as the 85 on the low stick setting??? I just dont know. But it is important that, as Wren pointed out, you use the castle link and make sure when doing the high/low adjustment that the ESC is in heli fixed endpoint mode.

If that is correct then I would just put the low stick back to 100% as the CC should sense that as low stick on power up anyway.

Bob

[Finless]

Ha.... just saw your edit.... YEP! gotta make sure throttle curve is linear!

Bob