Castle Pheonix 85HV setup Videos

[khaoz]

It works!

My final setup for reference:

Neu 1907/1Y, CC85HV, Airthunder 6s5AH, Radix 600's.

Setting up for
Normal:1800 RPM
Idle1: 2000RPM

14t Pinion
Heli Governor High
Governor gain High
Motor Start Power 39
Throttle response 2
Spool up speed : 10

I can't believe the power of the setup compared with a Align XL (1650) motor on 11t.

[Finless]

:clappp

Glad you got it working!

Bob

[Vinger]

I am running a HV85 in a TT E550 stock Ripper motor with 6cell 20C 5300mAh batteries. Setup according to Finless video and CC's instructions.

The ESC works perfectly in endpoint mode, but oh my the governor sucks big time, according to answers in this thread CC has been promising the fix for the kicking tail for a while now, but still nothing forthcoming. I bought this ESC thinking that it would be fixed in due course, but nothing but silence from CC.:arggg:

I was considering buying more CC products but decided against it as they cannot even fix one of their flagship products, never mind their other products. I would STRONGLY advise against CC ESC as they do not live up to the hype.:thumbdown:

VIVA Jazz or Kontrontik.:clappp

[buildem336]

khaoz what size shaft is on the Neu 1907/1Y? What kind of temps were you getting and at 100% throttle did you only get 2000rpm with a 14 tooth or was that governed down. What was the headspeed at 100%.
Thanks

[khaoz]

Hi Buildem,

The NEU 1907/1Y has a 5mm shaft so I purchased these two pinions.

https://www.readyheli.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HO-2014
https://www.readyheli.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HO-2013

I was uncomfortable grinding a flat spot on the shaft of this $160 motor so I used red locktite and aggressively tightened the set screw.

My Taco only goes up to 2300 100% on the 14t was a little higher than that. I got 2000 at 84% in heli fixed mode so I did Gov down to that. I 5000ft above sea level so your mileage may vary. I also tried the 13t but the head loads up quite easily on this setup.

I didn't hook up my temp probes during my test fling yesterday so I don't have exact measurements, it was considerably cooler to the touch than the old align motor. I was able to hold the motor for 10 seconds without burning myself. The motor also cools off very quickly between flights.

If it helps, here is a power log from a short test flight I did. I limited my flight time as I didn't know what my power usage would be. I started with some circuits, moved onto rolls loops aggressive flips and then a few tic-tocs. Pitch ranges +10/-10.

Good luck.

[khaoz]

I was considering buying more CC products but decided against it as they cannot even fix one of their flagship products, never mind their other products. I would STRONGLY advise against CC ESC as they do not live up to the hype.:thumbdown:

VIVA Jazz or Kontrontik.:clappp

Sorry to hear that you've had bad experience, admittedly I'm a newbie to gov set-up but I've just had really great success following Bob's instructions. I would have got my gearing all wrong had I relied solely on the documentation that was supplied with the ESC.

Quick question / suggestion. Are you sure that your packs are up to the job, I had some gain issues during testing when I used some older Flight Power EVO 25 6s5000mah packs with 50+ flights on them. The problem went away with fresh packs.

Just a thought.

[buildem336]

khaoz so with the 13 tooth you say it loads up the head quite easily do you mean it bogs at 10+10- I would think it would not bog at all.
Thanks for the info

[khaoz]

I didn't fine tune the 13t set-up, I just ran it quickly to compare the power usage to the 14t so I'm happy to be corrected but even after taking the throttle curve to 90% on governor mode quickly punching the collective to +10 results in the head speed dropping for a few seconds. I didn't have a taco out but it was audible and the tail drifted. The 14t is rock solid. Perhaps if I had messed with the governor setting I might have has more success.

For my money, 14t for Governor at 2000+ RPM and 13t for fix heli endpoint mode.

[Vinger]

Sorry to hear that you've had bad experience, admittedly I'm a newbie to gov set-up but I've just had really great success following Bob's instructions. I would have got my gearing all wrong had I relied solely on the documentation that was supplied with the ESC.

Quick question / suggestion. Are you sure that your packs are up to the job, I had some gain issues during testing when I used some older Flight Power EVO 25 6s5000mah packs with 50+ flights on them. The problem went away with fresh packs.

Just a thought.
Packs are brand new APlus 5300mAh 22C 6cell packs. Even tried my 3300mAh packs no difference. I raved about this speedo earlier, but suddenly it lost the endpoints and then upon reprogramming it started with the tail kicking. I am fed up with the struggle, the standard ACEhobby speedo works a treat in gov mode, so it was more than $200 down the drain.

[westcoastal]

hi bob i have a 401 brill on a 50 but do not like on a 90 so bought a 611 601 ace gyros so i thought i would try jr gyro 7000 lost a raptor 90 with that gyro,plus csm 720 just kept wandering same with solid g so here is my queston what am i doing wrong futaba seem to be plug and go

[billyd]

Bob I've got a TREX 600e running with the NEU 1515/2.5d/f/h and an 11t straight pinion.

I've gone through the setup process and I achieve the 85% fixed endpoint speed (1940 rpm) in governer mode with a flat throttle of 26% ! Seems weird that it would be that low.

I am using governer high and a governer gain of 67% (I haven't changed it from when I was running the 600xl, which worked well at that gain setting, the Neu seems to like it ok too, but I haven't experimented with it yet).

Does it matter that the throttle number is so low? Why does the throttle number change so much from setup to setup? (When I was running with the 600xl, my throttle setting was 57%).

Thanks for all your help, great vids!

[mark1950]

Great Video Bob - Have one question though, is this the way you set up your esc the same on all CC esc's or is it just on the HV models. I have the 35a on my trex 450 and am using fixed with throttle curves set on my radio. Not sure if the procedure is the same on the non hv esc's.Thanks for your time Mark

[Finless]

I have never used any other CC ESC. But others have said that you can use the same process for other CC ESC's.

Bob

[OTA]

I have never used any other CC ESC. But others have said that you can use the same process for other CC ESC's.

Bob

Yep

Can confirm that the CC 45HV is equal to HV85 in setup if any should wonder.:thumbup:

[dutch_anykey]

Hello guys,

I just switched from a hurricane 550 to a trex600E :YeaBaby:. The hurricane was a temporaraly heli till i got the money for the 600. Man what a difference :). It just suits me better from flight one hehe.
Anyway, i took my cc80 from the hurri and put it on the trex. I went over the setup again as per Finless's vid. I was a bit dissapointed over the HS. My kit came with the XL motor and a 10T pinion. I've got a 6s 5000 mah Airthunder pack. At 100% throttle it would give me just a tad over 2000 rpm. Probably the lipo pack is still not at full power, so i will try again after 5 or 6 cycles. But for setting up govorner this really isnt going to work. I will switch to a 11T pinion and see what it will give me. I was hoping that i could get 1900-2000 rpm at 80 -85% throttle in fixed end point so the ESC has some % left to use in gov.mode

Maybe someone can tell me from experience if it is worth it to set up govorner with this setup if i aim for 2000 rpm? Or is it just not working with this cell count and 11T pinion? So i better go for flat 100% throttle without gov.

Hope to hear some comments ;)

Maurice

[Finless]

Go to the 11T pinion. Even guys running the stock Align ESC many are using the 11T.

But realize in general a governed setup will have a lower head speed than someone running a 100% flat throttle curve. That is the trade off. The difference is the governed system will be able to maintain a more contsant head speed while the guy running 100% flat will loose head speed on load up.
It's always a debate on which is best. Some like it and some dont.

For me on some helis (motor and battery dependant) I like 100% flat. The Trex600 on 6S with the XL motor I didnt like gov. My Logo500 I absolutly love the gov. If I was running a 8S 600 I would probably use the gov or at least try it.

Bob

[dutch_anykey]

Thanks Bob,

Pinion is on its way. I will experiment what goes best ;)

Maurice

p.s. why do i end up with 10 parts in my shopping chart when i only need one pinion :roll:
would be 11 if the spartan gyro wouldnt be out of stock (again....jeez these are hard to get hehe)

[wren1702]

Go ahead and pick up a 12 tooth pinion as well, it's always nice to have another that you can play with.

[dutch_anykey]

Oops,
Too late, ordered already. But I did order revco 15 and 16 T pinion to fit on my Z30 1100 kv. I read somewhere that these are doing fine as wel on a t600. (left over form my hurricane)

thanks,
Maurice

[ncampion]

Hi Bob, I bought the HV85 a couple of weeks ago but am waiting for a tach to do the HS. I am using a 600XL 1700 with straight 10t pinion (tried 11t but found I got less flight time eventhough I dropped the pitch a little to compensate). I'm using the Align 75 amp esc at the moment until I setup the HV85. I'm a bit dissapointed to read that the 600 with 6s doesn't work too well in gov mode! I am now wondering if the HV85 is going to make any difference to my setup in non-gov mode? I'm only flying 5-6 months and only doings basic 3D at this stage. I get around 5 mins flying (if i'm lucky) on an AT 5000mah 6s.
any words of wisdom you have to share would be greatly appreciated.

[khaoz]

nchamipon,

I can comment a little since I started with an Align ESC and XL motor and only fly basic aerobatics. Naturally increasing your head speed (pinioning up) will use more power and decrease your flying time. The align governor is terrible (IMO), so using the CC 85HV in gov mode will be advisable. In non gov mode, the CC ESC is still more configurable, has a better soft start and is all in all a better quality esc.

As for CC Gov not working well 6s I don't know. Here are two vids of my dodgy flying using a CC85HV, NEU1907/1Y on Airthunder 6s/5000's. Fine for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGI4VSOZbuQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrZ7Fd0_1bU

[rotorhead58d]

bob, i was doing my first field test of my phoenix 60. i followeed your videos for the HV85. i used the castle link, and set it up on my laptop. i started to raise point 2 to 75%, and i got to about 64% and the power shut off. my battery was fully charged and balanced. i unplugged the battery from the esc, and noticed the plastic had melted off the esc. i took a temp reading of 243 degrees. i remember you saying that you went through several of the HV85 esc's. is this what happened to yours? i rechecked with the castle link, and everything was the way i left it. is this a bad one? my motor is a 1076KV, and i use true rc 4000mAh 6S1P batteries. when i put the battery back on the TP1010C/210V, it read 24.2 V, and i only put 350 mAh back into it. the battery was cool to the touch, and the motor temp was 115 degrees. when fully charged, my battery voltage is 25.2. any idea?:thinking

[Finless]

No my HV85's were blowing processor boards due to static discharge from the belt system on my eRaptor 620. If your ESC is overheating then you are drawing too much from it and it cant handle the amp draw of your system. Either you have too much motor or too large a pinion or something is binding the system up.
I suppose it could be a bad ESC but that kind of symptom is unusual for a bad ESC.

Bob

[rotorhead58d]

bob, i just spoke with thomas from CC and he informed me i should be using an external bec. thank you for getting back to me

kevin

edit...doah!

[Super D]

Quick question! I think i have an issue but I'm not sure! Here is the deal
Setup!
T-Rex 600
Neu 1515/2.5DF
CC HV-85
12 Tooth straight

In fixed end points i hit my target head speed at 76%
In GOV low I don't hit target speed until 95% in Idle and 100% in Idle 2
In GOV high I hit target head speed @ 20% in idle 1 and 25% in idle 2

Question is: Is it OK to be in GOV Low with flat curves that high?
Should I switch to GOV high even with Curves that low?
If answer is no to both questions what should i do?

Thanks for all of the help I really appreciate it!!:noteworthy