Logictech 6100T Gyro Setup Videos

[jody]

Downloading now just got the Gyro and out of the box went well but looking forward to the actual set ups!!

Thanks Finless you da man

[Dood]

Great video/ review as always Bob.
Thankyou.

I completely forgot about the 6100T when I purchased my GY611.
But you compare the 6100T to the 611.

Perhaps a review/ set up video with the 611?

[Finless]

I do a light setup vid of the 611 in my Trex600 video series. As I recall I think I cover it in the Logo14 too...

Bob

[heliflip]

I set up my Logictech similar to my 611. Center is not sensitive, no expo needed and I did not have to set mechanical neutral (adjusting linkages in normal to prevent piro) . I have not checked my mechanical neutral and therefore do not know if maybe the angle of the blades on the 600 is correct with the pitch slider centered and therefore may not be necessary to complete this step. The tail blade angle does look close however.

I have no complaints. Fast backwards and piros consistently. Flys very similar to 611.

Here is my set up on t-rex 600N:

Direction: Reversed

Center trim: 52. I did have to use what I think is a lot in order to have servo exactly 90. Finless describes well in his vid. I may see if a futaba horn works as Bob indicated as well in order to dial out the center trim.

Limit: 135 in both directions. Book states to achieve as high as possible. Therefore, I used the closest hole to center on the Logictech servo arm. I did fly initially with one of the holes further out and determined that the piros seemed inconsistent. I believe my settings were closer to 110%. After thinking about this. I believe that this is why people are saying that this gyro is sensitive around center and using expo to compensate. I think that the piros were not inconsistent, however, it was probably me moving the rudder stick too much inadvertantly in piroflips. I believe you should try to maximize your limits as the book states.

Flight Mode: 3D

Performance: Highest

Smooth Control: 7%

Rec Type: JR - Using Spektrum

Rudder ATV: 100% both ways. I feel that my piros could be sped up a little and will probably increase this.

I am not saying that my settings are correct. Just wanted to give my setting for all to compare. I will try to fly in normal (rate) mode to determine if my tail is mechanically set to neutral.

[hhawk]

heliflip, you seem like an experienced pilot, so please dont take offense, but it should seem odvious that with the limits even on both ends, the tail blades will have....edit: close to 0 pitch when the servo is centered.

[Finless]

Well just to comment. I never use rate mode and like many (even pro's I know and fly with) have always set up my 611 or 401 for center servo and center pitch slider. It has always worked fine for me like that. This is always debated (recently anyway) if this is correct or not. It works for me and many others who dont care if rate mode is set up or not since they never use it.

However that being said, I have been told be many pilots way better than me that to get best performance from the 6100T that you MUST set up for rate mode. So I did it that way and made the videos explaining how to do it that way. I myself have not tried doing it the easy way and just set up center/center with even end points. Thus I dont know if that truely works or not on the 6100T. I know it does on a 611 or 401.

Bob

[heliflip]

heliflip, you seem like an experienced pilot, so please dont take offense, but it should seem odvious that with the limits even on both ends, the tail blades will have "0" pitch when the servo is centered.

hhawk, I am sure that every manufacture is different. I have not had the time or desire to investigate every tail rotor design on the market. However, I have set up may helicopters (not just the ones I have listed below). I can tell you that at center of tail pitch slider travel most of the manufactures incorporate pitch to offset the torque of the rotor head. I can tell you for certain that the new 450 se v2, 600N, 600E, and all of the latest Miniature Aircraft all have pitch in the tail blades to offset torque at center of tail pitch travel.

[hhawk]

I cant speak for all the helis, but with the T-Rex 600, It is close to "0" with the slider centered. Maybe not exact, but I doubt it would hold in rate.

[Finless]

I can tell you it WONT hold in rate mode with the slider center on the 600, 600N, or 450V2. It's not enough pitch BUT it is closer than other tail that are 0 at center slider.

Bob

[heliflip]

Keep in mind, everyones set up. For instance higher rpm less tail pitch. I am not saying that it will hold in rate. I am saying that it is definately not 0 degrees pitch. It is definatly closer to being the correct pitch than 0 degrees.

Does any one have a tail pitch gauge? :lol:

Like I said in my earlier post, I will try and set for rate first and see if there is a difference. However, it works so well the way I have it set. Additionally, I am lazy and would rather fly then test. I am trying to catch up to all of these young cats.

[hhawk]

With that being said, its probably somewhere in the middle. :lol: I can not say for sure ,either, that it wont hold in rate mode. It might just have a little bounce.
Soon enough it will have been tried and tested by more than a few pilots of various skillsets, and I look forward to the good reads to come. :)

[tp]

I can't see anything but 4.8V on Logictech's website--can the gyro and servo run on 6V? Thanks

[Mappe]

Thank You Bob for Your exellent work, your knowledge and movies has haved my a lot of money and frustration. I trying to get my LTG-6100T to work with my Futaba T9CHP Super and it just does not work!! I have now watched your setup video ten times! I cant change the gain and its in 100% both in normal and taillock mode.

Reciver settings like this: Rudder ch 4 , gyro (the blue gain) ch 5.
Transmitter settings: Channel 5 in aux-ch select for switch A
In gyro sens:Mode: GY, Mix: INH, Rate up (on switch A) NOR 50%, Rate Down AVC 50%

Whatever value in TX, both Normal and AVC, I try to set the display on the gyro is always on 100? But by flicking the A-switch I can toggle between the two modes. If anyone have a clue please help since I am going crazy here.....

[Danny Wenzel]

thanks bob I put my gyro in a new 600n did everything you showed on video
and well that gyro holds great . all of this info is nice .
I did set it up in normal first just like you did it worked good and then i put in
tail lock and set gain at 40 to start with limits are 105-140...raido futaba 9c
anyway just wanted to say thanks for the help it is working awesome.......

[hookmaker]

Bob! GREAT VIDEO - just nice work! :noteworthy

I own 4 of these combos - they do great, but I'm still new in this hobby so I can't judge whether they are better than others. BUT I did take my Raptor 50 Titan to the field today and set the gyro combo back up according to your video - and tried a few different flight adjustments. BOY that re-setup made a difference - the tail is rock solid now!

[uragano47812]

Can the gyro work at 6V with a step down for tail servo?

[Finless]

yes!

Bob

[nipmuck2]

Bob, Thanks for the help with the video. I helped me to understand the manual better. It was easier to set up than I thought. I took my helicopter to the field today to test this gyro out and man what a pleasant surprise. I could not believe that the tail would just stop and not wag when giving a command. It was even windier than it was in your video. :lol: I did not change the "smooth" setting because I was comfortable with it, at least for now :D I can't wait to put it to the test. I was breaking in a new engine and wanted so badly to throw it around but don't want to loose a brand new engine.


Thanks
nipmuck2

[Finless]

Awesome! I love a success story!

Glad I could help :)

Bob

[Wheelhaus]

I've been using this gyro for a couple months on an e620 now and am very pleased except for one thing... (I did the easy setup in HH only and eyeballed about 5° pitch, I've been using Futaba gyros for the last few years so that's what I'm used to).

When I quickly increase pitch to punch out (upright or inverted), the tail blows out 5-10° to the right trying to fight the torque (the heli rotates toward the left).

The servo has full travel, just shy of binding.
The tail has 95mm V-Blades, bigger than stock.
I am using 3 Futaba S9451's @6v on cyclic, their 60° transit speed is rated for .10sec on 6v.
10s FP3700, Neu 1912 1y 9t pinion, about 2150 HS with the 85HV gov dialed back about 15%. Gobs-o-power.
Gyro is stepped down to 5.1v.
600mm V-Blades
5500ft altitude in Denver.

Could the cyclic servos be increasing pitch faster than the tail can react? it still holds, but the "instant reflex" to counteract sudden high-torque changes seems a little slow. I hope this isn't it, me likey fast pop.

Here is what i will attempt:
I will go back through the setup to see if "normal" setup first makes any difference, and if not, I will run the cyclic servos at 5v instead of 6v to see if slowing them down a hair makes a difference.

edit:
I want to convince myself this is normal, but I have an overpowered 550mm bladed flybarless Swift that doesn't budge, it holds straight no matter what I do.

[Finless]

Gobs-o-power.


this can be the issue. realize adding GOBS-O-Power means when you punch out with a lot of pitch the motor wont bog but the HUGE amount of torque gobs-o-power can produce may be more than the tail can physically compensate for!
In other words yes full pitch on the tail silder but the torque is still more than the tail rotor can PUSH against.

Bob

[Wheelhaus]

That's what I was thinking as well, the power is too much for the tail...

However, it will still pirouette to the right (against torque) under full power without issue, escept for that first instant when the collective is increased.

I see videos of helis (including the e620) with significantly more power doing insanely hard stops, walls, punchouts, rainbows, deck slaps, rock solid tic tocs, and the tail doesn't seem to blow out like this.

It feels like the gyro kind of "stutters" when it first reacts, which leads me to believe it may be a setup issue *(setup in rate mode first).

[Finless]

well for sure try setting it up the way I describe first and see what happens. My e620 (10S with ripper motor on 11T pinion) doesnt do that.

Bob

[528hemi]

Will setting the gyro performance to highest from standard help hold the tail at lower RPMS in a punchout?

What exactly should I expect to feel between standard,high and highest setting?
I am having a simnular problem at lower RPMS 1850 to 1950 pitch 12/12 620 blades..Raising the gyro gain up to 85 does not do anything but running a higher HS at like 2100 and I can turn the gain down to 30 percent and it is rock solid?
Changing the tail blades to 92mm CF did not help.

Finless...Did you ever flash to version 1.56 of the HV85 ESC? I read some threads where everything was working OK with 1.55 and when some upgraded to 1.56 had a bunch of issues with twitching and such...

Thanks

[Finless]

If the gyrop wont work at lower head speed it couyls simply be the tail cannot fight the torque! The gyro doesnt care or know what the head speed is. Going to highest makes the gryo respond harder and more to changes. Try it is all I can say.

No I never went to 1.56 as it still says BETA and I honestly dont like trying beta code on things that go on heli's.

Bob