Logictech 6100T Gyro Setup Videos

[tick77]

Has anyone used a Futaba 9256 servo with the Logictech 6100G gyro?
thanks
chuck

better yet does anyone know if you can use another digital servo period.
I've searched the web for days and can't find an answer. if someone is will to test that
theory. that would be awsome. I think that answer is why I haven't purchased one yet.
thanks to anyone with an answer.

[hookmaker]

I've tried to connect it to both a 9257 and a 9254 and they definetely don´t work with the 6100T gyro. Both servos flip all over the place.

/Henrik

[cgbole]

ok thanks thats all the answer i need...
thanks
chuck

[itf68]

I have on mine the spektrum 821 servo and my problem is that i haven't on tail the right end point, my left is ok...!

[aussiemick]

You should be able to go into the travel menu on the gyro and when you move the Tx stick to the right you can adjust that value and when you move the stick to the left you can give that a seperate value.

Mick

[Vinger]

better yet does anyone know if you can use another digital servo period.
I've searched the web for days and can't find an answer. if someone is will to test that
theory. that would be awsome. I think that answer is why I haven't purchased one yet.
thanks to anyone with an answer.
All digital servos are supported, you just have to set it to digital servo under servo type, BEFORE you plug the servo in. Also power the gyro down after changing the servo type. It even supports the Logictech and Futaba 9251/6 servos with the 333 frame rate. For these you have to select Logictech servo type.

[itf68]

You should be able to go into the travel menu on the gyro and when you move the Tx stick to the right you can adjust that value and when you move the stick to the left you can give that a seperate value.

Mick
Yes i know that thanks, but when it is A=140 and B=140 normaly i would have full movment on both directions somthing whitch i don't have...!

[aussiemick]

Go to a longer servo output arm!!!

[itf68]

I have now the 6100G servo and everithig is OK...!
Thanks Mick!
And something ealse, what expo do...? I have it on 85% because i saw it on setting videos!

[aussiemick]

Start out at 85% and then start reducing till it suits your flying style. You may even increase it.

Mick

[itf68]

With 85 i have long stick movment, if i want smoller i have to decrease?

[aussiemick]

The Expo reduces the stick sensitivity around centre stick, if this is not twitchy enough reduce expo. and hence reduce stick movement around center stick.

Doing this wil not speed up or slow down a full stick piro, the piro speed is controlled in either Dual rate or EPA.

Mick

[jimmyd]

Hi guys,
I don't mean to take the discussion in an other direction but I wasn't sure were else to ask the question. Has anyone ever sent a LogicTech product back in for repair? I have a 6100 which toasted two servos back to back (yes logictech servos) so I want to send the gryo and servos in for service. HeliProz says they have to go back to Korea, and I'm thiking that I'll never see them again. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Jimmy

[mosh1]

Are people still liking this gyro? I noticed a lot of people are using the Spartan now, anyone try both an is the Spartan that much better?

[aussiemick]

Mine has been flawless since December2007.
I am in the process of learning Fast inverted backwards flight and I have never lost the tail.
I have done tail slides of about 400 feet without issue.

Is it as good as the Spartan?? I don't know, they are no where to be found?!

Mick

[webracer]

maybe you guys can help me. I have a 600e with the logictech 6100T and 6100G setup. I can get it neutral in rate mode, but in HH, the tail wags. I have tried gains of 30-50 and in only changes the wag (lower gain the wag is more mushy and larger, higher gains the wag is harder and smaller). I have a pretty good pilot here helping me out, and he is having the same trouble. I have smoothing at 10%, and limits at 100/120. No center trim on gyro, and no sub-trim on transmitter. In rate mode it is cool, only in HH is it wagging. Any questions you have so I can help you get more information are welcome, as my friend is only here for the weekend, and I'd like to get this figured out. I know this gyro is good, as everyone has a good opinion of it, but right now I'm thinking the extra $100 for the 611 would have been worth it.
Thanks in advance for all you help. I (we) have watched the finless videos for this.
I am also running a scorpion 120 BESC, and scorpion 3026-1400 motor on 6S (outrage XP-30 packs). I have a stepdown regulator for the tail servo to 5.1v (from 5.7 the BESC puts out).
Troy

[webracer]

I am still having problems with this gyro/setup. I cannot get the tail to stop wagging in taillock mode. I can get it flying very well in rate mode, just as finless's videos demonstrate, but when I got to HH, the tail wags. I have followed the videos to a tee, and setup the tail from scratch 3 times with the same results. If I raise the gain, the tail wags quicker, and if I lower the gain the tail wags slower (gyro response is reduced. I have tried gains of 10 to 55% (on the gyro, I have it set for JR, so my TX and gyro gains do not match). I originally had the mechanical gain too large, so my gyro limits were in the 50-90 range. I then went the other direction (too low mechanical gain(ball-link position too far in on servo horn)) where my limits were 150+. I am now having limits like A110 and B150. Again it flies very well in rate mode, its just HH that is the problem. I really think that with help this should be able to be resolved, but I am on the verge of buying a GY611 combo and be done with it.
Please help
Troy

[Vinger]

I am still having problems with this gyro/setup. I cannot get the tail to stop wagging in taillock mode. I can get it flying very well in rate mode, just as finless's videos demonstrate, but when I got to HH, the tail wags. I have followed the videos to a tee, and setup the tail from scratch 3 times with the same results. If I raise the gain, the tail wags quicker, and if I lower the gain the tail wags slower (gyro response is reduced. I have tried gains of 10 to 55% (on the gyro, I have it set for JR, so my TX and gyro gains do not match). I originally had the mechanical gain too large, so my gyro limits were in the 50-90 range. I then went the other direction (too low mechanical gain(ball-link position too far in on servo horn)) where my limits were 150+. I am now having limits like A110 and B150. Again it flies very well in rate mode, its just HH that is the problem. I really think that with help this should be able to be resolved, but I am on the verge of buying a GY611 combo and be done with it.
Please help
Troy
I run three of these gyros and servo combos, never had a problem. Start from the tail rotor and move forward while checking for binding, then make sure you follow Align's recommendation on servo arm lenght. Do initial setup in NORMAL mode, set the centerpoint by sliding the servo forwards/backwards. Once she hovers with no tail drift, start with the HH setup, GAIN as read from the gyro should be between 30% to 40%. If it wags to rapidly gain to high, lower the gain and if this then becomes mushy oscilations, then you have the mechanical setup wrong. Try a longer servo arm, lengthening it 1 mm at a time.

Let me know how it works out. All three my gyro combos were plug and play. Lots of people at my local club uses these gyros on 600e's so inherently there is nothing wrong with the combo.

[webracer]

I am fairly discouraged with this setup, but I am going to go through it again, following the latest advice. I upgraded from a 401 gyro to this one to get better performance. I have a few questions though. I have the gyro mounted on the top of the tail boom mount, just behind the anti-rotation bracket. I am running a torque tube tail drive. The gyro is mounted flat but oriented so you read it from behind (from above). I don't think this has anything to do with it, but I'm throwing it out there because maybe it is a factor. I saw Finless Bob mounted his flat but sideways (to read it from the side). I have checked before for binding throughout the tail, but I will check it again. I have a 2100T on a 450 and it works great. I know this gyro will work as others have it working and are very happy with it, I am just wondering why I can't get it working. I had another pilot look at it, and go through the finless videos with me, but we couldn't get it figured out either. He had no experience with this gyro, but is much more experienced than me in heli setup and flight. His HS owner did run the gyro on his 600 though, so we had some phone backup, and still couldn't figure it out. I am taking the latest advice though, and going to make sure there is no binding in the tail. I am looking up the servo arm info on aligns site and I'll try it again in the next few days.
Thanks for the advice, hopefully it will work out.
Troy

[webracer]

I have one more comment. I have the Align 5.1 step down between the gyro and servo (to step down from 5.8V to 5.1V. I don't think this will have anything to do with it, but I thought I'd mention it. Maybe I'm wrong (its happened before).
Thanks,
Troy

[Vinger]

Take out the stepdown just to test the combo. I am running mine on th T500 with the stock ESC set at 5.5V and no harm done. You can read the Volts on the Gyro.

[webracer]

I will take it out for testing. My BEC is outputting 5.8V. I have read some are running the servo at 6V, and someone took it apart and there is no device not rated for at least 10V inside.
I also began disassembly of the tail last night. I found already a little slop (which may become binding when rotating) in the upgraded tail grips. The outer thrust bearing washer is tight in the tailgrip. I also had to machine down the length of the tail grip holder so that I didn't have more than .002 wobble (it was moving back and forth about .05" prior). Because there is a thrust bearing, this shouldn't matter, but I took care of it anyway.
I also see people complaining about the gyro tape that came with it. I have some good tape, so after I test all these fixes, I can still change the tape.
Thanks for the help.
Troy

[webracer]

Well, I got it all rebuilt. I flew it and had a little drift in rate (about 5 degrees/second). It also was a bit windy, and although I tried to face into the wind, lots of objects around caused turbulence. So I thought I'd go to tail lock mode. I set the gain at 36% (on gyro) and flew it around a bit... solid. I turned it sideways to the relative wind, and the gyro held, with a little wag (in about 8-10 mph wind). I was happy. A friend stopped by, and after explaining the problems I was having (not a rc pilot), I attempted to show him the wag by ramping up the gain to 58%, still no wag. I guess the tail must be tight. I searched around the web for this phenomena and found it in a few places. My fix was:
1. Grease and reassemble the tail grips. I also reduced the outer thrust washer race diameter on each grip (quick UK tail) by about .003". They were a bit tight in the grip and I read that could cause problems.
2. I made sure no slop existed in the upgraded pitch slider an sanded the shaft (to remove coating) and lubed lightly with SlickZero bearing lube.
3. I also reassembled the torque tube, regreasing bearings and taking all discernable play out of that unit, from the front to back.
4. I put a gel-pad under the gyro for mount
5. I removed the 5.1 stepdown from between the servo and gyro

I have just the slightest backlash from the auto gear to the tail grips, but it moves smoothly. There was probably 1/16" backlash when I started, and the tail grips had about the same amount of slop in them off-axis. It is very tight now and holding well.

I still plan to put the stepdown back in and test. IF it changes anything, I'll post it here.
Thanks to all those who didn't give up on me, and I am glad I didn't order that 611 (which I almost did). These forums are invaluable for my continued learning and I am glad you guys are participating.
Regards,
Troy