Which parts that you broke when Trex 600 Nitro crashed ?

[aamwood]

I am sorry to post this thread. I have ordered the Trex 600 Nitro , the basic version. I am just sick of hearing that Trex 600 Nitro breaks easily when crash. Is it true ? I heard all of these bad things from our LHS that don't even sell Trex 600 Nitro, in fact they sell other brands ( which I think are also considered as okay and good quality, but not for me. I just want Align brand for my heli ). I am not going to back off from buying the Nitro version. I am just want to know what you guys think about the strength of Trex 600 Nitro. I know the frames are too thin.

What parts are commonly break when you crash your Trex 600 Nitro ( again I am sorry to ask this question which will bring you back to remind your bad moments with Trex 600 Nitro )

I have Trex 450, and when it crash, the parts that break are usually just spindle, main gear, shaft and blade of course. Sometimes, the carbon frame and tail boom. But that's all. The same thing happened to my trex 600 Electric also ( except on my last crash , I busted my FP 4900 due to broken plastic blade grip ).

So, is Trex 600 Nitro is a strong heli ?

[aamwood]

In our little town, there are only 4 heli flyers and we all fly Trex 600 Electric and 450. Others are plane flyers. In another city some people already own Trex 600 Nitro Pro , but we haven't had a chance to see Trex 600 Nitro directly to judge wheter it is strong or not.

[Gscott]

From the few crash reports I have seen it's not good. I don't recall the frames surviving in either of them and in one incident both frames broke at the point where the electronics mount is screwed in. The electronics mount also broke taking out the gyro amp. I can't find the thread to ask how hard the crash was but those 3 items alone are probably over $300 (frames and gyro amp).

[creightoncarr]

From the few crash reports I have seen it's not good. I don't recall the frames surviving in either of them and in one incident both frames broke at the point where the electronics mount is screwed in. The electronics mount also broke taking out the gyro amp. I can't find the thread to ask how hard the crash was but those 3 items alone are probably over $300 (frames and gyro amp).

That was my crash when the elevator servo went out. The heli nosed into the ground from about 20 feet up. It was really not that impressive to watch, but the damage was pretty extensive.

Damage included:

- Left and Right frames broken at each point where the radio tray mounts to frames
- Boom and torque tube
- Tail bevel gears
- Boom block bevel gears
- Fan shroud
- Radio tray
- Canopy (wouldn't normally include that, but it is $80 to replace)
- Fan shroud
- 611 amp is smashed
- Lipo receiver pack destroyed
- Radix main blades
- V-paddles
- and then the usual - main shaft, spindle, flybar

[Gscott]

Damn. That's $300 in Align parts alone. Add another $200-$300 for the non Align stuff. Did it go in under full power or did you have time to hit throttle hold?

My Evo went in hard from about 20' last summer after the RX pack died and it didn't do near that much damage. It looked like a bomb went off from the dust cloud that it caused :D

[aamwood]

creightoncarr, that was an ugly crash. I am sorry to hear that. Is it mainly because the main frame is too fragile so the crash cause further damage ?

[creightoncarr]

I got throttle hold before impact, but not by much. From 20 feet up the ground comes awful quick. :D

I think the frames would have been ok had it not gone in nose first. The tabs for securing the radio tray seem to be a weakness, but probably only a factor if you go in on the nose. I was a little disappointed to find the radio tray had flexed in on itself and smashed my 611 amp. I plan to mount it the top of the tray and move the receiver to the side. It may not look as tidy but I think I may be better able to protect the amp from future impacts.

[docjoe]

Not many helis can survive a direct nose-in impact with minimal damage. I put in my Stratus nose in after my 9252 servo failed in flight (damn plastic gears!) and one side frame was at least 70 bucks, plus all the other little parts. That crash cost minus blades was about 200-300 bucks.

[Gscott]

But the flip side is the Stratus is one of the most expensive 90's to crash and your crash cost was the same, or possibly less than the 600. Personally if my crashes are going to be in the $300 range plus blades I'll fly a 90.

[creightoncarr]

I took a really nasty tumble with my 90SE the week before when the pin securing the tail drive gear to the shaft came out. That was a much more impressive looking crash and I destroyed the head on the 91-SZ-H. In the end it was cheaper to repair than the 600N crash. I guess time will tell whether the 600's are holding up better in crashes. I really think had this been anything other than nose in that the crash damage would have been much more minimal.

[Wa11banger]

GScott just hates Align hehe.. One crash report and its all crap, way too expensive, and wont last..

I'll tell ya what I think. The way I crash anything that survives is icing on the cake.. I don't do it easy does it style, I go in under power fightin all the way :) Not really but it sounds good... Just like a one crash report on survivability!!!

Take this into account guys.. I watched, more like experienced (it was that close to me). A Stratus crash that was fairly light, inverted, but no funky chicken, TH was put into the mix way early.. Cost of the crash the usuals plus the main frames.. The crash moment dictates what survives and what doesnt. And an airframe's survivability cannot be judged by one or two crashes lol.. Dozens at the minimum, and hundreds at the best.. I think Gscott should be banned from getting first run airframes.. Imagine what kind of hell would have broken loose had he gotten a Synergy or a Raptor in the early days..

Last thing I got for ya guys.. They dont build em to survive crashes!!! They build em to fly if you stick it in the dirt what you get is what you get. No more, no less

Just my .02
Rick

[creightoncarr]

Hey, I ain't *****in. I put 'er back together and flyin' it hard. Still one of the best 50's around IMO. I wouldn't want to talk anyone out of getting one. All it is is money.

[Wa11banger]

Sorry for the miscommunication on my part creightoncarr.. I was not intending for you to think I meant you.. I was kinda getting on GScott. Especially with the reference of what he would have though of the Syn or an early on Raptor.

Rick

[Mercuriell]

I just dumped my 600N hard into the tarmac yesterday - forgot I had linked idle up to the governor switch - anyway broken U/C, both tail rotors sheared off at the hub :shock: and chipped front bevel gears - NO chips, cracks or damage whatsoever to the CF frames or baseplate so I'm pretty darn happy with the durability.

[tcast305]

I've crashed mine as well. I posted on RR:

Well I was on my last flight of the day today (starting 6th gallon), and the motor quit on me while I was inverted in a middle of a move (can't remember if I was going to start a rainbow or tic toc). I was able to get it over however it took most of the energy out of the blades and the heli started to drop (it was about 40 or so feet up). I went full negative and the blades started to spin up, but not enough, then I pulled full positive to use whatever I was able to store up. The heli hit dead on the landing gear and that took most of the inpact.

What broke was the landing skids, boom was slightly bent (so will replace it and torque shaft), one pitch link was bent, main shaft, spindle, and flybar look fine but will replace all to make sure no issues. One of my vblades took a small hit (minor) as well.

It looks like the motor cut out because of the fuel line coming off the carb. When I got to the heli the fuel line was off the carb, and there was still fuel in the line, so it looks like thats what happend. I pushed the fuel line back to the carb when I got it to the bench and it was very easy to pull the fuel line off. I'm using a thicker pink fuel line, not the oem fuel line, just a FYI.

Actual damage was just boom (small dent where the blade touched), torque shaft didn't take any damage. Main shaft, spindle were fine, however since they are cheap so I replaced them. Flybar was slightly bent (could only tell when I rolled it ).

And also I use tieraps now on the fuel lines :lol: .

Thanks.

[Gscott]

Don't like my posts then don't read them. Quite honestly I don't care. Up to this point I had read 2-3 crash reports on various forums and all of them took out the frames. Tcast's is the first one I have seen that didn't. It has nothing to do with being a new kit. What's really funny is all the talk about how Hirobo, TT, JR, and all the other heli companies were going out of business because the 600 was so cheap to crash.

[hoot]

It is looking like the EVO50 is cheaper to own in the long run. I crashed my EVO many many times. $25 framesets make a big difference if crashing is a concern.

I used to love the tinkering. Now I'm settling back a little and trying real hard not to crash. No matter what brand, rebuilding these things is getting old.

[rchflyer]

Up to this point I had read 2-3 crash reports on various forums and all of them took out the frames.

I have seen 2 go in, and the frames where fine on both machines. My advise would to keep it out of the dirt, that way you have nothing to worry about.

Dennis

[Wa11banger]

LOL if a big concern is whether the frames break or not when you "CRASH" GScott then I suggest you remember the golden rule.. You're going to crash! It will happen!! Anything that survives being punched into the ground is icing on the cake.. Because you can never say with any certainty that anything will ever survive.

Me I build em to fly, crashing is a consequence of flying.. Cheaper frames are already available just not CF.. But not plastic either :D

Sorry you couldnt make your 600N work man..

Rick

[drummer5140]

Look everyone, You bought the 600 to enjoy, Crashing is just part of the game, You crash you fix and sooner or later you do it all over again.
Enjoy.

[arclite5]

Wow man. Weird..

I crashed my 600N yesterday. Slammed it straight into the ground real hard right flat on its skids. Then I lifted it back up another 6 feet, and slammed it back onto the asphalt a second time. What broke? Front TT bevel gears and landing skids.

What did I learn? My 600 must be an abberration. It's so damn strong.. apparently all of these crazy Align helis are flimsy and weak.

I wish that more people would post about posts that they have read by people that they don't know, about a helicopter that they don't own.. Then I'd be able to draw a better, more informed opinion about the helicopters that I own!

-Kyle

Edited for legibility ;]

[ozace]

Kyle, i am sure that you comment was funny but i have spent the last 5 mins trying to work it out :lolol

I havent built my 600N yet so i have no comment on its durability but i did crash my E600 once and it was a gentle crash but it took out the both CF frames. What did it prove ? nothing, in my mind only that it must have hit at an unusual angle.

[Wa11banger]

What's really funny is all the talk about how Hirobo, TT, JR, and all the other heli companies were going out of business because the 600 was so cheap to crash.

I have heard very minimal talk about how little it costs to crash.. I do not think crash cost are going to drive the other mfg to new heights in design.. I think flight characteristics are.. That is what I read mostly other than the flimsy fan post..

Hmmm I wonder how many TT, Hirobo, MA 50 sized birds have been bought new off the shelf in the past two weeks :D

Flight characteristics are going to speak very big for this airframe. It flies big maneuvers like it's on rails and flat gets with the quick change snap maneuvers like nobodies busines.. This is what will hurt the other MFG's Which is good, they needed to be bumped up a bit anyhow.. As for $25 frames yah most plastics are around $25 bux but not any of the CF frame sets are? Hmm wonder what a set of Synergy CF Frames cost, How about Stratus, OOOH I know TT R90.. Man I guess the CF's although expensive are right on par with any other large CF part..

BTW there are already several companies making lower cost, stronger frames for when we dork these..

Rick

[OICU812]

I put my E 600 in 3 times "hard" and the frames did not break till the 3rd time actually. I think it matters what luck of the draw you have and nothing more. I have had frames on other helis break just as easily or perhaps even worse with minor crashes, does not make too much difference on the brand only your luck of entry to the earth imho.

[Ticidytoc]

What's really funny is all the talk about how Hirobo, TT, JR, and all the other heli companies were going out of business because the 600 was so cheap to crash.

I have heard very minimal talk about how little it costs to crash.. I do not think crash cost are going to drive the other mfg to new heights in design.. I think flight characteristics are.. That is what I read mostly other than the flimsy fan post..

Hmmm I wonder how many TT, Hirobo, MA 50 sized birds have been bought new off the shelf in the past two weeks :D

Flight characteristics are going to speak very big for this airframe. It flies big maneuvers like it's on rails and flat gets with the quick change snap maneuvers like nobodies busines.. This is what will hurt the other MFG's Which is good, they needed to be bumped up a bit anyhow.. As for $25 frames yah most plastics are around $25 bux but not any of the CF frame sets are? Hmm wonder what a set of Synergy CF Frames cost, How about Stratus, OOOH I know TT R90.. Man I guess the CF's although expensive are right on par with any other large CF part..

BTW there are already several companies making lower cost, stronger frames for when we dork these..

Rick

Well said Rick !