Brushless motors...

[ThBrtmn]

For all those that have Brushless motors on their foamy...
What would you recomend to someone starting out and wanted to get a whole brushless setup?
I currently have the geared Himaxx 4100 w/ the CC Poenix 25.
What would you recomend for an ESC and a Motor...Geared, or outrunner?
Thanks.

[Hotshot Charlie]

I like the Hi-Max products, I am running a 2025-4100 and CC25 esc. I would probably buy the same setup again. Smaller planes, maybe the 2015-4100, but think I would go with the overkill of the CC25. My gearing so far has been the 6.6 to 1 setup with a 12x6E prop. I ran this same setup (except prop) on my Shogun with a 9t pinnion. It did great.

[ThBrtmn]

Anybody got anything to say about outrunners...cmon you Axi guys.

[WillJames]

I have 6 AXI motors, only one flying on my Yak right now. I LOVE them. They run a lot smaller props, but they are quieter and seem to have longer runtime for a given thrust than the geared motors. I may be wrong though. You have seen the runtimes I get out of the TP 1320 on my Yak at Mac's. It runs forever on 600mah. :)

[Hotshot Charlie]

one flying on my Yak right now

What AXI motor, Will? I would like to try a AXI sometime, but have heard they are not as efficient as the geared motors.... it sounds like you have found that to be incorrect. They are definitely quite.... I love that !!!!

[Raptordude]

Bart you know my answer here. I have been really pleased with the Horizon Hobby Park series motor. I have the park 400 in my mini Funtana, Park 370 in my Hummingbird and one on my gearboxplanes as well. I also like the Park 370 outrunners. These are great due to there cost. Not as effecient as a axi. Dont get my wrong I have 2 axis too. The Park motors come with prop adapters, mounts and extra plugs for speedcontrols.

I have just ordered a ton of Himaxx motors. I know you and Johnny run them. they seem to do well.

I have also run a couple Faigo's which are suppose to be knockoff Hackers. It makes good power too.

AS for gearbox versus outrunner. Depends on the size of plane. out runners are great for the small planes and arent that expensive. But when you start to get in the bigger planes a gearbox is the way to go to keep ost down. I love how quiet a outrunner is. now that I think about it, a ton of the planes converted from glow to electric at SEFF used outrunners.

[ThBrtmn]

Which one of the Parks are geared and which ones are not...
Also... what would you say the size limit(wingspan maybe) would be to go from outrunner to geared?

[Raptordude]

The Park 370 and Park 400 are for gearbox. The Park 370 outrunner and Park 400 outrunners are just that, outrunners. The Park 370 outrunner is equal to a AXI 2208 and a Park 400 Outrunner is equal to a AXI 2212. Its not so much a wingspan issue. I would run a Park 370 outrunner on a shockflyer or Tensor, nothing bigger then a Eflite Ultimate or Tribute. The Park 400 outrunner would be good for planes over the 1 pound mark I think. I havent ever run the 2212 so I dont know. If you remeber I was testing that eflite Park 370 outrunner on my Chip Hyde Raptor a while back.

I guess what it comes down to is mounting as well. IF a plane is made for a gearbox, of course it is going to be easier to mount a gearbox, instead of a outrunner. You can get really big outrunners, so your not really bound by size with those ( I mean heck even the Ion uses a big outrunner doesnt it).

Alot of planes are going the way of the outrunner. I guess its somewhat new technology. Gearboxes have been around forever. Many people favor a outrunner, not a wholelot of disadvantages. The only one I can think of is its more prone to damage. I have broken a couple of outrunners in half (that is how that chip hyde raptor of me died. Motor came apart in mid air and sliced the bottom wing off). You can crash a gearbox and replace a shaft for a few dollars.

[bighands3d]

Axi motors 2208/34 or 26 1080 rpm/v 34 \ 1420rpm/v 26 82% EFF
2212/34 or 26 740rpm/v 34 \ 840 rpm/v 26 79%EFF just depends on application the the lower Rpm motors will turn the bigger props with more torque Haven't tried the 2212 seires yet but wanted to... you can run the 10X4.7 on the 2208's with no problem I have one on my Tensor 4D with 11.1v pack and 2208/26

Prices aren't to bad around $85 with the prop adapter I belive..

[ThBrtmn]

What caused it to come apart? Where does the damage occur on an outrunner?

[WillJames]

I am runnign a 2212/26 on my Yak, and it is way overkill for it. I have the full range of 2208/xx to 2212/xx They hve all performed flawlessly, my #2 Big Kahuna will be using an AXI 2212/26 for comparision against my Himax on Kahuna #1.

[Raptordude]

The rear bearing pulls out of its housing. This was a preproduction flaw I think. A good wachk to the ground and it will break loose. The bearing is pressed in the backplate of the motor and locktighted in place. They forgot the locktight, hehe. This problem has been fixed from what I understand and shouldnt happen anymore.

I usually run a APC 10x4.7 on my AXI 2208-34. ON my Park 370 outrunner I ran a 11x3.8 it was the 1360KV model.

[EricLarson]

The Eflight motors are the made by himax.

The 370 is a 2015 and they come in several KVA versions

The 400 is a 2025 also in several KVA versions.

[Hotshot Charlie]

The Eflight motors are the made by himax.
The 370 is a 2015 and they come in several KVA versions
The 400 is a 2025 also in several KVA versions.

Thanks Eric for this info. I figured they were HiMax, but didn't know what model related to what motor.

[WillJames]

Thanks for the info Eric!! I was wondering myself, I heard they were hackers, but now I know better.