Preorders? 500 or 600? What setups?

[jamesotron99]

I preordered my Logo 600 3D from Esprit last week. Looking forward to this bird arriving on my doorstep. I'd like to hear what you guys are planning for this new generation of Logos. Which have you ordered, how are you going to power them and what are you going to do with them?

At this stage I'm thinking:

- Neu 1912H/1Y (not sure what pinion, I need to get out the calc)
- CC HV85
- FP EVO25 3700mAh packs
- Spektrum AR6200 rx
- GY401 + 9254 for the tail
- Radix 600mm blades

I'm not sure yet about the following things, anyone got any advice:

- CCPM servos - thinking of using the DS821's that came with my DX7 for now (I'm not really a crazy 3D pilot yet)
- BEC or rx pack? I'm trying to keep the weight as low as possible
- Tail blades? Radix 92mm?

[surfanarchist]

I've pre-ordered a 500 3D. I plan to run;
Century 600+
FP 6S 5000 mAh
CC 80
Futaba 9451 X 3
401 w/9254
Western Robotics 5 amp BEC

After not being happy with my Swift I'm just going to move the whole set up over to the Logo 500. I like all these parts though and I can't say if I was starting from scratch if I would do it different.

[Doug101]

I've got a 500 3D coming. I was planning;
Z30a-800
A123 10s
CC 45HV
V-Bar head
V-Stabi system
Futaba 9252 X 3
Futaba 9256 tail
Western Robotics BEC

550 blades?? need some quidance here

This will be my first Logo so I am hoping to gather as much setup information/tips etc from the forums as possible.
Doug

[cptsnoopy]

Just changed my order from a 500-3D to a 600-3D. reason? I already have two evo20 10s-3700mah batteries with less than 5 cycles each on them. I plan on using the Z50-600 (pinion to be determined) that I was using in my Logo10. I will also use the SD-85N esc (good on 12S should I need to step it up a notch). 9252's or better on the cyclic and the Logictech 6100 on the tail. I hope to use NHP-620 main blades if they will fit without stretching the boom. I would rather run a Z50-800 but I don't have one handy at the moment... :mrgreen:

[NTM]

I've got a 600 3d reserved.
Plan to run the v-bar with:

-6965 servos on cyclic
-9256 on the tail
-neu 1915 1y (using this on 10s in my logo 14 right now, it rocks !)
-12s flightpower 3700mah packs
-cc85hv (unfortunately :? , kontronik needs an 85amp 12s esc !)
-620mm v-blades

[OICU812]

That makes me think of big possibilities Nathan, only I wonder if the gearing of that motor will support it...? There will only be up to 23 tooth in the mod .7 fashion.... something to think about :dontknow

[buster1]

I am getting the 5003D,
what seems to be the most potent 3D motor, which I will use with a 6S3700 or greater.
Also, do I have to choose specific main gear size or just pinion size - whichever is the best motor out there - what pinion should I get and where can I order from,
Thank you,
Jeff

[Motions]

Most people that have tested several different motors will say the Z30A-1100 is the hottest setup for the Logo 10/500. That's what I run in mine with TP 6S 3850.

The 500 kit comes with the mod 0.5 212T main gear so do your calculations with that. The 600 kit comes with the mod 0.7 153T main gear and can be used on the 500 also (when available).

I'm using the 21T pinion to try and get a little more torque.

[jamesotron99]

Hi Jeff.

There's going to be a lot of awesome motors available for these machines as they have quite large motor bays... you can think about the Neu 1910 series, the Z-Power Z30's, Tango's, Orbit's, Hacker A40's and various others.

[GGoodrum]

My first Logo 500 3D showed up yesterday, so I'm sure many of you will be receiving yours in the coming days.

I haven't got it together yet, but I've been playing around with the frames today, to see how I might get a 12s a123 setup to fit. There's not enough vertical clearance for using the Dewalt-style packs, but tandem "stick" packs will fit fine. I'll probably do a single 12s stick pack in a 4x3 configration. This will totally fit inside the frames.

With this, I will use a Z30A-800 and the V-Bar setup. Not sure what servos, etc., just yet.

-- Gary

[Doug101]

Gary, I was planning on a similar setup. Z30a-800, V-Bar, BUT, with 10s A123 and 550 blades. I see you are planning on 12s and I think I saw elsewhere you are planning on 550 blades.
Do you think the 10s A123 is enough for 550 blades or should I reconsider and go with 500/10s or 550/12s.
Doug

[GGoodrum]

Gary, I was planning on a similar setup. Z30a-800, V-Bar, BUT, with 10s A123 and 550 blades. I see you are planning on 12s and I think I saw elsewhere you are planning on 550 blades.
Do you think the 10s A123 is enough for 550 blades or should I reconsider and go with 500/10s or 550/12s.
Doug

I think a single 10s a123 pack will work with 550s just fine, as this setup works quite well in an e550 Raptor, which is quite a bit heavier. I'm going for 12s because I want a bit better performance, and a bit better durations. There's another reason too, as the standard 10s a123 configuration, as the cells come out of the DeWalt pack, won't fit in the new Logos. The cells need to be flat, in a stick form. As you can see below, a 12s pack fits nicely into a 4x3 stick format:

http://www.tppacks.com/photos/Logo%20500-a123-01.jpg

http://www.tppacks.com/photos/Logo%20500-a123-02.jpg

http://www.tppacks.com/photos/Logo%20500-a123-03.jpg

-- Gary

[Doug101]

Ok, thanks. Then, I guess I'll start with 10s and 550 and modify the plan after some flights if necessary.
I do like the neat 12s pack. I knew the packs had to be sticks and was planning on just what you have there minus the last two cells on the top. Easy enough to add the two cells if I need them in the future.
Doug

[OICU812]

The frame in general sure looks BIG :WOW

[Gscott]

I haven't been following the A123 discussions so what power/flight times should one expect with a 10s/500 and 12s/550 setup?

[Cityflyer]

On a Logo 500, can 515 blades on 6s work out good? or is 515 just to short?

[nono]

I think a single 10s a123 pack will work with 550s just fine, as this setup works quite well in an e550 Raptor, which is quite a bit heavier. I'm going for 12s because I want a bit better performance, and a bit better durations. There's another reason too, as the standard 10s a123 configuration, as the cells come out of the DeWalt pack, won't fit in the new Logos. The cells need to be flat, in a stick form. As you can see below, a 12s pack fits nicely into a 4x3 stick format:


-- Gary

I have a Kontronic controller 80-6-18, Can i use a123 ? Problem with cut-off ?

Bye

[GGoodrum]

I haven't been following the A123 discussions so what power/flight times should one expect with a 10s/500 and 12s/550 setup?

Well, it all depends on flight styles, blade size and what headspeed you like to fly at, but I'm guessing that with a 10s a123 setup, and a h/s dialed down to about 2000-2100, you should get about 5-1/2 - 6 minutes of hard 3D and/or about 7 minutes of general "sport" flyng. With 550 blades, a 12s a123 setup and a dialed down h/s around 2200, it should have durations for hard 3D in the 6-1/2 - 7 minute range and about 8 minutes of sport flying.

[GGoodrum]

On a Logo 500, can 515 blades on 6s work out good? or is 515 just to short?

A 6s LiPo pack, in the 3700-4200 mAh range will be fine with 500-515 blades. A Z30A-1100 with such a pack is a very popular setup in the Logo 10, which the 500 is meant to replace.

[GGoodrum]

I have a Kontronic controller 80-6-18, Can i use a123 ? Problem with cut-off ?

Bye

The problem is that to use a123s in one of these, you need to run 10s or 12s. Voltage-wise, that's roughly equivalent to 8s/10s LiPo setups, respectively, which is too high for this controller. The Jazz 55-10-32 is a better choice.

[buster1]

I am not a battery expert - what are these A123 batts and how do they compare to the regular Lipo mix - I see 10S and 12S A123 batts. being mentioned - what are the pro/cons. to using their batteries,
Thanks,
Jeff

[nono]

The problem is that to use a123s in one of these, you need to run 10s or 12s. Voltage-wise, that's roughly equivalent to 8s/10s LiPo setups, respectively, which is too high for this controller. The Jazz 55-10-32 is a better choice.

Ok, but you must disable the cut-off or no ?

Bye

[Airboss]

i got mine flying last weekend and here is my setup;align600L motor,HV85,FP6s5000,MRbec,18th pinion,401,DX7...i get outrageous power and long runtimes 6m,motor cost $50(used).

[528hemi]

Gary,

How do you plan on charing the 12s1p pack? What charger are you using?

Thanks

[GGoodrum]

Gary,

How do you plan on charing the 12s1p pack? What charger are you using?

Thanks

At home, I'm using 36V scooter charger. It has a CC/CV charging profile, with a cutoff around 44V, which closely matches an optimum 12s a123 charging setup (12 x 3.65V = 43.8V).

At the field, I will just use whateverr is handy. A TP-1010C set for 10s will charge this to 42V, which is close enough. Things become MUCH simplier when you don't worry about balancing.

-- Gary