Gearing question... I need some expert advise please

[noguy]

Hello I am finishing putting togeathr my new mini titan an I am trying to select the best pinion for my needs. I will be running a 3000kv outrunner on a 4s setup.
I know ho to figure my headspeed but I dont know what headspeed is ideal for my flying. The manual says to use 2600-2800 rpm headspeed. Others seems to be running theirs closer to 3000.
I am no 3d stick banger. I do hovering, fff, agressive fff, some rolls, loops, and learning inverted flying and hovering. How low of a headspeed can I run? I am looking for longer flight times.

Thank You, Noah

[Gardner]

2500-2700 will be plenty and be easy on your lipo's. 10t pinion if you can find one. But I'm no expert.

[Ticidytoc]

Align should have the 10T pinion if you cant find one.

[noguy]

Gardner, Ticidytoc, Thank you guys for the input. My heli came with a 13t and a 15t & I ordered a 10t, 11t, & 12t when I ordered my motor so I will have one when the motor arrives. I knew that most 3D setups are in the 3000 range but I did not know how low I can go on the headspeed for my flying style. This info helps.

Another question if I may, What is the minimum headspeed before a 450 heli just wont act right?

Thanks again, Noah

[fire_paramedic]

I guess im outta the norm, right now im running 2300 on mine using a castle creations esc in gov mode. im still learning, i can do ff, fig 8's circles and hovering. i may move it up but now i get at least 9min of flight time like this.

[noguy]

Fire_paramedic,
Thanks for the response, I am glad to hear you are flying with that headspeed. It makes me more confident to experiment around with various ranges of gearing. I dont know if I am just weird but anything under 10min of flight time kinda seems like a tease to me. Maybe its cuz I fly with a friend that has a Zagi plane that I am chasing around and when I always have to come in first it stinks. Maybe its because of my more casual flying style? I suppose if I was zip zapping back and forth 3Din' I would be ready for a rest after 5-10 min.

Anyways fire_p. do you have a sim?
If not I highly recomend it. I have the pheonix RC sim and it is so very very like the real thing! :shock: The only thing that is not like real life like is the depth perception, but its about as good as it can be for being in 2D. I can practice new stuff over and over until it gets very comfortable and then go for it with the real thing and bam it feels very comfortable and easy. Before I had a sim I would get sooooo nervious trying anything at the edge of my comfort zone that I almost didnt progress at all. If you are flying figure 8's then you have the skills to fly pretty much all around anywhere you want to. Its often just a comfort and confdence thing.

What kind of motor are you running on your MT? I have the same esc as you.

Noah

[fire_paramedic]

I am very comfortable with that head speed right now and find it powerful enough right now for what i do. it seems to have puch and stability. i will try higher eventually. i just ordered a gov for me rappy 50v2 gonna try that on it since i have liked gov mode on my titan so much.
I do have a sim, Its.......... Phoenix also, i love it and am eagerly awaiting the upgrade. it has helped me progress and build me confidence and reflexes. just need more actual flight time.
I am running the stock motor and i am pretty happy with it, i went with the cc esc for the features.